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Trump pushed postmaster general to double rates on Amazon, other firms

Top Cat said:
So you're ok with Trump using a governmneent agency to exact revenge. There is no end to Trump supports blind allegiance to their beloved.
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the cult
 
apdst said:
What do you mean Mueller will find more? So far, he hasn't found those.
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Then why are Trump's lawyers now arguing that accepting dirt on Hillary from Russia is not a crime? They know more than we do about the investigation apparently.
 
iguanaman said:
Which one? Accepting help from foreign Govts. in an election, extorting money for "access", violating the emoluments clause in the Constitution, or conspiracy to defraud the U.S. And I'm sure Mueller will find more. Trump's orbit is a regular potpourri of corruption.
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When you get an actual charge for any of those things, let alone a conviction, let me know. Until then, you got squat.
 
iguanaman said:
Then why are Trump's lawyers now arguing that accepting dirt on Hillary from Russia is not a crime? They know more than we do about the investigation apparently.
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They aren't arguing that it isn't a crime. They're pointing out the fact that, it isn't a crime.
 
iguanaman said:
Then why are Trump's lawyers now arguing that accepting dirt on Hillary from Russia is not a crime? They know more than we do about the investigation apparently.
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Do you have a link to that?
 
apdst said:
Is there any credible evidence that President Trump ordered the postmaster to double rates on Amazon?
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No, the link itself said Trump pushed to have package rates double to all firms.
 
hanger4 said:
No, the link itself said Trump pushed to have package rates double to all firms.
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An anonymous source said it and the anti-Trumpers lose their minds. :lamo

This will be repeated as fact for years, with zero confirmation. :lamo
 
Fletch said:
So you say. But good to see your hair is on fire over that rather than the fact that the worlds richest man isnt paying his fair share of the shipping costs of his product. It is amazing what your hatred will permit you to overlook.
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Try to pay attention. He has already attacked a private company. How is that ethical?
 
apdst said:
An anonymous source said it and the anti-Trumpers lose their minds. :lamo

This will be repeated as fact for years, with zero confirmation. :lamo
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WaPo's title is a bit disingenuous, and I assume the article (pay wall) gets around to the truth after all the Trump/Bezos/Amazon BS. Sad that so many here prefer to spread lies or half truths instead of the whole truth.
 
Renae said:
I heard Trump say you should help little old ladies cross the street, and the TDS'ers went INSANE. What's your take on that?
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That he should help them himself, lazy ****.
 
Top Cat said:
Try to pay attention. He has already attacked a private company. How is that ethical?
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"attacked a private company", in reference to this thread ?? don't be silly.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
You don't suppose that those empty storefronts have anything at all to do with the fact that Amazon is able to offer an equivalent service at a lower rate because of the volume of business that it does, do you?
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When Barnes and Nobles first expanded, they undercut the pricing of retail books, putting local bookstores and other small chains out of business. The retail margins for books was already thin. Then Amazon, after B&N raised their prices, Amazon came along and undercut B&N, nearly putting B&N out of business. Karma. Today Amazon sells almost everything, either directly or through Amazon Marketplace, its associated vendors. Amazon offers a convenience that is only matched by Walmart, a purveyor of weird videos of weirder people on Youtube. Another Brick and Mortar killer in marketplace after marketplace with cheap goods from around the world, and one of the world's wealthiest families in control. Yup 1%er's selling to bottom feeders. :)

I won't lie, I use Amazon for the convenience. Gorilla tape is delivered right to my door. However, as an investor I read those quarterly statement. Amazon's retail operation does not make money on its very thin margins, and the free deliveries are an incentive. And many of the vendors don't charge or collect local sales tax. It's no surprise, Amazon needs to negotiate delivery costs as low as possible. Amazon's slim profits are not from retail, they come from Amazon's cloud services for other businesses, their main competitor, Alphabet (Google incognito). Amazon's cloud services was originally built server farms to service its own needs, and found itself selling extra time to other businesses, and a major source of income it needed but wasn't looking for. No, I don't think Amazon's lower rates destroyed the Brick and Mortar retailers with lower prices, rather with convenience.

Now it has a problem of its own. It's top cloud business users are building their own server farms for their own needs, and in the process they too will be selling excess or surplus time, cutting Amazon's cloud service income. And since Amazon has already commoditized cloud services, severely damaging IBM's server farm business, and the sale of databases which ran those farms for customers, Amazon giving away the management software in return for the business, no one should be surprised as Amazon starts stumbling. Apple Inc, one of Amazon's largest cloud service customers this year starts shifting to its own brand new server farms, and in another case of Karma, has teamed up with IBM to front end its excess time to other business clients. Apple has two new server farms coming online this year, both with greater capacity than Amazon, and is seeking locations for two more. Energy self sufficient, IBM mini-frames and blade servers for speed, and a choice of Oracle or DB5 for management software, meaning software they are already using and plenty of experienced programmers to meet the needs for custom front ends. Apple accounts for 30% of Amazon's cloud business. Soon we can say, "it did." Apple is far from Amazon's only cloud problem. Grundig, Miele and Leveno have partnered up in Europe and Asia where Amazon planned to expand, and at least three Chinese companies, with Alibaba in the lead, opening their own massive server farms during the next two years. Alphabet is locked out of China because of previous missteps there, when the Chinese government demanded censorship rights. Apple didn't make that mistake in China, and our business critics got on Apple's case when it kowtowed toward China's government when faced with the same demand. The Apple IBM alliance is welcomed in China as front end management systems for China's up and coming server farms.

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Now, two of the most protectionist marketplaces extant, India and Brazil, where Amazon was hoping to expand, are in negotiations with Apple to do for them what they are doing for China with cloud management. Remember when India refused Apple entry into India's smartphone market with refurbished iPhones because it challenged India's home made nascent smart phone manufacturers. India decided the cloud management was more valuable than the slim profits from commoditized smart phones. And Apple played nice, building a new manufacturing facility for India made smartphones, creating jobs in India as well as those refurbished iPhones for the lower end of the market, refurbished in India. Now the same game is playing out in Brazil, the only country still publishing new music on vinyl and cds (cds being relative new since they were only allowed after two cd pressing plants were built in Brazil 4 years ago), a country where if it isn't made in Brazil, it doesn't exist. Another major developing market where Amazon can't make a dent. IBM has a huge new server farm outside Brasília and Apple is building a new iPhone factory next door.

Again, I don't think Amazon's volume is responsible for surplus retail space. I do believe the convenience of internet shopping is responsible for the new surplus of retail space, and that will only increase as these new cloud services increase their presence. Karma for Amazon.

I never invested in Amazon, not that I wouldn't have made more money I don't need. The company doesn't make sense to me. It's ripe for a crash and there goes Bezos' fortune. Not that he'll ever be on skid row and hungry for a free meal, but he's not what he is touted to be. Unfortunately for him, he's made unintended enemies in the commercial real property management business, and Trump is a major player in that industry, whether we like him or not. Bezos made an enemy out of the president of this nation, without intention, but so it goes. Not an enemy I would want, no matter how ridiculous he gets. Wait till Bezos has to deal with the teamsters union as he opens his own delivery service. He's in for another shock. There is no US company as anti union as Amazon. Think about that next time you read a WP editorial about how people should be treated in the workplace.
 
Top Cat said:
Try to pay attention. He has already attacked a private company. How is that ethical?
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What is unethical about it? Or unprecedented for that matter? I guess it was OK when Obama was bashing insurance companies
 
Top Cat said:
Try to pay attention. He has already attacked a private company. How is that ethical?
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Republicans, the GOP, conservatives, the far right, evangelicals, etc., they really do NOT give a **** about ethics ........

I mean, just look; we have a FLOTUS that is willing to just sit back and have her **** dragged through the pig **** for some horn dog bitch that has NEVER been able to keep his penis inside his own drawers .................


that is some pretty classy **** & it tells US where the GOP is at currently ..............

they stand for **** = nothing & they will never stand for anything ................ to Hell with ethics ............
 
Fletch said:
What is unethical about it? Or unprecedented for that matter? I guess it was OK when Obama was bashing insurance companies
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It's one thing to call out an entire industry. Many presidents have done that. Trump singled out one. Why? Because Bezos owns the WAPO. The newspaper that has written about Trump's non stop lies. Your narcissist 12 year old can't handle getting exposed for the liar that he is.
 
OldFatGuy said:
When Barnes and Nobles first expanded, they undercut the pricing of retail books, putting local bookstores and other small chains out of business. The retail margins for books was already thin. Then Amazon, after B&N raised their prices, Amazon came along and undercut B&N, nearly putting B&N out of business. Karma. Today Amazon sells almost everything, either directly or through Amazon Marketplace, its associated vendors. Amazon offers a convenience that is only matched by Walmart, a purveyor of weird videos of weirder people on Youtube. Another Brick and Mortar killer in marketplace after marketplace with cheap goods from around the world, and one of the world's wealthiest families in control. Yup 1%er's selling to bottom feeders. :)

I won't lie, I use Amazon for the convenience. Gorilla tape is delivered right to my door. However, as an investor I read those quarterly statement. Amazon's retail operation does not make money on its very thin margins, and the free deliveries are an incentive. And many of the vendors don't charge or collect local sales tax. It's no surprise, Amazon needs to negotiate delivery costs as low as possible. Amazon's slim profits are not from retail, they come from Amazon's cloud services for other businesses, their main competitor, Alphabet (Google incognito). Amazon's cloud services was originally built server farms to service its own needs, and found itself selling extra time to other businesses, and a major source of income it needed but wasn't looking for. No, I don't think Amazon's lower rates destroyed the Brick and Mortar retailers with lower prices, rather with convenience.

Now it has a problem of its own. It's top cloud business users are building their own server farms for their own needs, and in the process they too will be selling excess or surplus time, cutting Amazon's cloud service income. And since Amazon has already commoditized cloud services, severely damaging IBM's server farm business, and the sale of databases which ran those farms for customers, Amazon giving away the management software in return for the business, no one should be surprised as Amazon starts stumbling. Apple Inc, one of Amazon's largest cloud service customers this year starts shifting to its own brand new server farms, and in another case of Karma, has teamed up with IBM to front end its excess time to other business clients. Apple has two new server farms coming online this year, both with greater capacity than Amazon, and is seeking locations for two more. Energy self sufficient, IBM mini-frames and blade servers for speed, and a choice of Oracle or DB5 for management software, meaning software they are already using and plenty of experienced programmers to meet the needs for custom front ends. Apple accounts for 30% of Amazon's cloud business. Soon we can say, "it did." Apple is far from Amazon's only cloud problem. Grundig, Miele and Leveno have partnered up in Europe and Asia where Amazon planned to expand, and at least three Chinese companies, with Alibaba in the lead, opening their own massive server farms during the next two years. Alphabet is locked out of China because of previous missteps there, when the Chinese government demanded censorship rights. Apple didn't make that mistake in China, and our business critics got on Apple's case when it kowtowed toward China's government when faced with the same demand. The Apple IBM alliance is welcomed in China as front end management systems for China's up and coming server farms.

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Wow, you sure seem to know you're stuff. :) I had nearly forgotten what Barnes and Nobles did to small local bookstores.

But after all is said and done I think Walmart probably played a huge part in the demise of small businesses...especially in rural towns.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
It was a joke - of course it's silly. But so is the idea that Trump was ever worth the 10 billion he has claimed.
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Hate to clue you in, with the rapid inflation of A and B properties in Manhattan alone during the past two years, Trump's net worth is likely closer to $30bil.

I'm a participatory investor in about 400, c, d and e commercial properties throughout the outer boroughs. During the last two years, my investments have risen about 400% in value, and they are continuing to rise ridiculously with no top in sight. With the exception of the Bronx, all of NYC is built on islands. There is a limited amount of buildable real property. More or less if we get one of those Hawaiian volcanos. The westside yard properties Trump retained, purchased 9 years ago for $31 mil, were just valued by the city government at $920 mil for tax assessment this past fall. NYC tax assessments are usually at 45% of actual market value. There's an unknown balance of $10 mil mortgage against the property. He owns about a dozen superior properties in Manhattan, perhaps as many as 20 more at lower levels. No commercial property has mortgage loans greater than 70%, and without knowing his refinancing habits, there is likely an average balance around 50% of the original purchase price on those properties. He also has accumulated many properties in the outer boroughs. That just his NYC investments. We know he's been land banking in Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and other states. If we had a clue about how he names his investment vehicles, we'd have a better idea about what he has actually accumulated. I suggest that claim of $10 bil was likely an understatement.

I personally know at least a half dozen lifelong real property investors in NYC with net worths far greater than Trump's. Those are the few that I know, many more that I don't know. And the smart ones do not promote their names without very good reasons. As a promoter who licenses his name worldwide, for Trump it is a different game.

That didn't seem like a joke. Maybe an emoticon would have provided a clue. I also forget sometimes.
 
Top Cat said:
So you're ok with Trump using a governmneent agency to exact revenge. There is no end to Trump supports blind allegiance to their beloved.
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Do you really believe this is something new under the sun? Eisenhower canceled a US Army procurement package because the the contract vendor's wife insulted Mamie at a private dinner where they were guests while he was president elect. Trite errors of judgment have brought the use of government agencies for the wrath of many presidents. This isn't so trite.
 
Moot said:
After consulting the legalities I find the president has no authority to negotiate the cost of postage.
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The UPS is a quasi public agency. It does not benefit directly from US tax dollars. However, the president can make life difficult by eliminating supportive ancillary businesses from the budget by reducing special tax exemptions. Every time you see a postal delivery truck, you are viewing the result of a tax exemption incentive. Exerting influence has nothing to do with authority.
 
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