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LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS***[W:13]***[W:1213]

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haymarket said:
I can see it now.... "A STUDENT BEHIND EVERY DESK AND A GUN BEHIND EVERY STUDENT".
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Yes because now is the time for hyperbole and jokes. :roll:
 
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haymarket said:
What would you now have done to the parents?
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Well for starters if you have children under 18, firearms of all types should be secured either on your person or locked up, period.

That would have been a good place to start.
 
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haymarket said:
Joke?!?!?!?!?!?
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Yes his statement and your reply were nothing more than hyperbole and a bad joke.
 
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Grand Mal said:
Your society. Right. Why is it bigotry? Mass murder, in western countries, is an American thing. Mass killings. There's anecdotes, examples in other countries but only in America is it a monthly occurance. Did you know that so far this year more high school students have been killed than American servicemen? Not just schools, remember the Vegas thing? That psycho killer assembled an arsenal preparing to complete his task.
Wanna adress the problem, discuss the problem, or just pretend that mentioning the problem is bigotry?
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Holier than thou much?
 
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devildavid said:
That has nothing to do with school shootings. It is an internal problem in the US that some kids turn to violence directed at schools.
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Did you read that before you posted it?
 
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Phys251 said:
You lie because apparently you don't believe that children's lives matter. :shrug:
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How you figure?
 
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The anti-gun left is probably devastated that an AR-15 was not used in this school shooting.
 
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He spared students he liked so they could tell his story: Santa Fe shooter said he spared students he liked so they could tell his story: affidavit - NY Daily News

The suspected gunman who killed 10 people at Santa Fe High School in Texas said he held off on shooting students he liked "so he could have his story told," an affidavit states.

Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, indicated that he "wanted to commit the shooting" in journals recovered on his computer and cellphone before he opened fire on Friday morning, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said.

Pagourtzis, who was armed with a shotgun and .38 handgun legally owned by his father, killed 10 people and injured 10 others in the attack.

His ex-girlfriend was among the students shot in an art classroom, sophomore Kole Dixon told the New York Times. Her condition remains unclear
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Whomever the firearms are registered to needs to face serious legal consequences for his/her negligence. The next time you hear calls for increased gun control, remember that it is those formerly “good guys with guns” whose irresponsibility leads to tragedies like this.
 
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stevecanuck said:
Isn't it possible, as these losers spend hour after hour in the basement playing video games which have them shooting at people no-stop, that it becomes ingrained in them to handle their problems in the same way? Has anyone tracked school shootings with the popularity of violent video games?
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I'm sure someone else has replied to you, I am just beginning to read the thread, but multiple studies have been done and they can't find any link.
 
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Lursa said:
Which ones, specifically, would have prevented this shooting?
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I don't know but this happens so frequently in your country now that it would make sense to put some restrictions in place.
 
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Cardinal said:
Well, one common denominator between all these school shootings is that the shooter used a gun. I mean, you are looking for a common denominator, so....
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I know you're trying to be sarcastic. But this is like saying all car accidents involve cars. It does nothing to fix any issue.
 
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SMTA said:
Looks like you missed their bragging about their best fundraising ever after the Parkland shooting. .
How cute you are when you are posting cluelessly.
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Their fundraising begins when mindless leftist twats use tragic events to attack them. the NRA had nothing to do with Parkland. The NRA had nothing to do with Santa Fe. Yet mindless leftist twat waddles use the NRA as their Baba Yaga in their zeal to attack legal gun ownership and gun rights. And so they respond...as they should.

The NRA has nothing to to with these shootings. Only mindless leftist ****s are stupid enough to blame theme or believe the anti gun drivel that blames them.
 
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You would think with all these school shootings students (and in some cases school staff) would stop bullying kids. I mean why take a chance if you run into some kid who takes bullying a little too hard and decides to go on a massacre. Was it worth the bullying??!! Not in my opinion
 
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CLAX1911 said:
I personally find it strange how everybody is so Keen to make this about politics right off the bat. Are we that nihilistic that one's beliefs are the ones that will save us and other peoples are the ones that kill us?

Do we consider these things hate crimes? I honestly think for the most likely thing people feel when they do this sort of thing is indifference or Nothing at All. Why don't we care about that why is it in the more important to get in your Jabs about gun control?

The people that do these things don't do them because your political enemies exist I doubt you even register in the motive. I doubt you register in that means.

I doubt anything will get solved by this desire 2 point the finger and your political enemies. I have a feeling most people know that and just like the people who sit there and film things with their cell phones instead of helping it's really a callus form of indifference and nihilism.

The only way to change this is to quit being callous and apathetic.

Beat your drums of gun control and the arguments against it and ignore the problem.

It's really sad.
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I agree that it's a deeper problem, and one that is not going to be easy to solve. The question is, what practical measures can be taken to prevent access to fire arms by these individuals which isn't an easy thing to sort out. Any type of psychological solution will be a massive undertaking whose results we won't know for years; shifts in our collective psyche are not easily changed. I'm not an anti gun person at all, but it's clear that an increasing number of people are broken to the point they're acting out this way. It becomes a matter of what practical solutions can be found, and I don't think those are easy either. What is sad is kids now have to factor this type of scenario into their school life and are reminded of it through the active shooter drills that are now the norm. It deeply saddens me when my daughter tells me they had one at school recently in that she has that type of safety concern to face. The irony is my parents came to this country to avoid this kind of instability, and now my daughter is faced with that exact same threat.
 
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Higgins86 said:
I don't know but this happens so frequently in your country now that it would make sense to put some restrictions in place.
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I think restricting access to schools would make sense, have a single entrance and exit with metal detectors. I'd also recommend an armed security guard at the entrance and well-rehearsed evacuation procedures, secured perimeters. It would make sense to more carefully monitor students' mental health, kids in their formative years should be better evaluated and guided, but this involves the 'touchy' subject of instilling "values" which simply cannot be as subjective as critical lefties want.

The mental health issue is a concern beyond the school environment, at home students interact with siblings and parents who ought to have some way to identify and report abnormal behavior. I'd also recommend people identified with mental health issues, those undergoing treatment, should be denied access to firearms.
 
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Parrish said:
Screw everybody. We need guns to protect us from the tyranny of our gov'ment...our children are disposable but not our guns.
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4,015 teenagers between the age of 16-19 die every year....EVERY YEAR due to texting and driving. Are you ready to ban teenagers from driving?

37,000 US citizens (1.3 million people worldwide) die in car accidents every year. 8,000 children between the age of 16-20 die in car accidents every year. MOST of those accidents involve at least negligent if not criminal use of the automobile. Are you ready to ban cars?

If you answer no to that then you are just a blathering ****ing hypocrite. Because apparently to you, our children are disposable, but not our cars.
 
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Plus Ultra said:
I think restricting access to schools would make sense, have a single entrance and exit with metal detectors. I'd also recommend an armed security guard at the entrance and well-rehearsed evacuation procedures, secured perimeters. It would make sense to more carefully monitor students' mental health, kids in their formative years should be better evaluated and guided, but this involves the 'touchy' subject of instilling "values" which simply cannot be as subjective as critical lefties want.

The mental health issue is a concern beyond the school environment, at home students interact with siblings and parents who ought to have some way to identify and report abnormal behavior. I'd also recommend people identified with mental health issues, those undergoing treatment, should be denied access to firearms.
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Fire code would likely rule against single entrance. In this case we're talking about 1400 kids. Many of these shooting happened after everyone else had entered.
 
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Plus Ultra said:
I think restricting access to schools would make sense, have a single entrance and exit with metal detectors. I'd also recommend an armed security guard at the entrance and well-rehearsed evacuation procedures, secured perimeters. It would make sense to more carefully monitor students' mental health, kids in their formative years should be better evaluated and guided, but this involves the 'touchy' subject of instilling "values" which simply cannot be as subjective as critical lefties want.

The mental health issue is a concern beyond the school environment, at home students interact with siblings and parents who ought to have some way to identify and report abnormal behavior. I'd also recommend people identified with mental health issues, those undergoing treatment, should be denied access to firearms.
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I agree with your suggestions on single entrance and exits for schools with metal detectors. Just forget this stupid gun debate crap. Am tired of both sides as they are so damn extreme.

So let the gun debaters cry ad nauseam and go forth with real security measures for schools as you suggest. The price tag may be high but maybe we could be a little more conservative with our drunken spending spree on other areas.
 
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ElChupacabra said:
No one seems to have one, so kids and others gathering to make something happen should be applauded because we need to get young people involved politically instead of sitting on the sidelines being indifferent. I would not have grounded my kid for wanting to participate as an agent of change even if I disagreed with the cause.
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Getting young people involved does not equate to running their names through the media in an attempt to garner support for gun regulations that in the end don't change anything. You're just harming children on a national level in an attempt to push your narrative.

I'm not necessarily speaking of you, rather the people that funded these movements and the media that promoted it.
 
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VanceMack said:
4,015 teenagers between the age of 16-19 die every year....EVERY YEAR due to texting and driving. Are you ready to ban teenagers from driving?

37,000 US citizens (1.3 million people worldwide) die in car accidents every year. 8,000 children between the age of 16-20 die in car accidents every year. MOST of those accidents involve at least negligent if not criminal use of the automobile. Are you ready to ban cars?

If you answer no to that then you are just a blathering ****ing hypocrite. Because apparently to you, our children are disposable, but not our cars.
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can it be inferred that your reply is 'to do nothing about guns relative to such mass shootings'?
 
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VanceMack said:
Their fundraising begins when mindless leftist twats use tragic events to attack them. the NRA had nothing to do with Parkland. The NRA had nothing to do with Santa Fe. Yet mindless leftist twat waddles use the NRA as their Baba Yaga in their zeal to attack legal gun ownership and gun rights. And so they respond...as they should.

The NRA has nothing to to with these shootings. Only mindless leftist ****s are stupid enough to blame theme or believe the anti gun drivel that blames them.
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But they profit handsomely from such tragedies, and joyfully lobby their members to contribute even more.

The NRA are whores just like politicians.
 
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WCH said:
Fire code would likely rule against single entrance. In this case we're talking about 1400 kids. Many of these shooting happened after everyone else had entered.
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limited access seems like the makings for a target rich environment proximate to the ingress point for a mass shooter looking for maximum impact
 
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The NRA, and the many mindless automatons that make up its membership, promote firearms as an essential tool to be used in response to perceived/potential oppression in our society. They are teaching their children that the value of firearms is as tools to strike back against "oppressors".

The school shooters are absorbing those "lessons" and "values".
 
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