LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS***[W:13]***[W:1213]

CLAX1911 said:

I like your question and I want to respond.

What's first is we have to try and catch these people before they kill themselves. In this case they caught the shooter. And because this sort of thing is so utterly bewildering to people who don't do it we have to talk to the people that did find out why.

I don't think banning guns will do anything I don't think arming teachers or students are putting in security guards will do anything. Those are often emotional responses from people who want to defend their political position.

Something that I have noticed that is really kind of scary and you have to turn off the politics to pick up on it. I think our indifference is what breeds this what is more indifferent then being able to slay 17 children and not feel remorse?

I don't think it's necessarily mental illness and that the mental illness that someone suffers from isn't the direct cause of this it's that we don't care. I don't think there's any one thing to blame there's a whole magnitude of different things that contribute and I can point to a couple of them that I think have some bearing on it but I can't come up with all of them I may be guilty of some of them myself and not even know it.

But we treat people like things in our way mostly or so it seems.


I don't know much about the shooter of the Texas Church but I've learned a lot about the Parkland shooter and to the conditions that led up to his crime.

And I'm sure there's circumstances with every shooter some we will never know about because a lot of them kill themselves.

The Parkland shooter belonged to a school it had something called The Promise program where police wouldn't arrest students and I finally understood why there are so many calls and no action taken on the shooter. It wasn't just because the police were inept it was because they were restricted from dealing with it in their way. It might have helped if the shooter had been arrested and face consequences and I understand why there's a promise program we don't want to criminalize children we don't want someone missing out on the opportunity for Redemption especially someone Young but if there are not consequences it has the possibility as remote as it may be of creating a monster.

So I don't think we should scrap programs like promise but there has to be exceptions there has to be consequences to build a conscience in these people the Parkland shooter was an adopted child and did not have either parent at the time and even when he did they were incapable of controlling him.

Compassion is sometimes doing what is hard what you don't want to do but you know you have to do for the good of the people you were doing them for.

But I can't tell you anything about the shooter that is the subject of this thread because I don't know anything about him. I don't really know anything about the YouTube shooter I don't know much about the Texas Church shooter in this solution or this way of addressing the problem is it going to be different.

Just because the thing in common is that they go on a rampage and kill people does it mean the same things drove them to it.

I think something we can do by we I mean you and me individuals is in your life just the day to day you are going to run into people the inconvenience you that mess up and cause problems and the chances are they aren't going to wind up being a shooter because you were rude to them but if you show them the kindness and courtesy (im not saying you don't) you want to be treated with even if they are rude it may not make much of a difference in this phenomenon if any but it's the only thing you can do. And this small possibility that it may make the slightest impact doesn't that make it worth doing?

The way to fight apathy is by not being apathetic.

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leekohler2 said:

I've brought this up before and offered solutions that both right and left could agree on. But no one ever seems to want to act on them.

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There is no need for gun bans. There does seem to be a huge need for regulation, however. And those regulations need to be enforced. I think that's one of the issues we're facing right now. Many existing regulations are not being enforced. That needs to start happening right now.

In addition, anyone who purchases a firearm should have to undergo mandatory safety training for use of a firearm. This would prevent a lot of accidental deaths.

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Waiting periods and background checks are also important.

Now, will any of this stop all gun violence? No, of course not. The goal is to minimize it. And all of these measures most certainly will do that, all while protecting 2nd amendment rights.

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The next thing we need to start focusing on is mental health care for all of our citizens, our young especially. And that does not mean putting kids on ritalin and other drugs. It means giving them healthy outlets for their energy, like sports, the arts and such. There is no reason to put an active kid on drugs. Listen to them, help them focus their energy. And if you're a parent, love them and help them find their paths.

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I found hockey later in life and that helped me manage anger issues. If I did that as an adult, their are kids who need that kind of thing too.

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It's not just one thing, folks. It's a combination of issues that cause these problems.

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justabubba said:

vesper made the observation "Another mentally ill young man."
assumed there was some basis for that statement to have been made
appears not to have been from vesper's inability to share what caused the statement to be made

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leekohler2 said:

Is your argument that this is the kind of thing mentally healthy people do?

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Atomic Kid said:

That's certainly a nice sentiment but unfortunately that alone isn't going to stop the bullets from flying and doing what it is they do.

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CLAX1911 said:

I personally don't really have any solutions I'm just an average guy I studied psychology years ago but I don't have the stomach for it. My point is we can't get to the solution phase until we know what the problem is. And it seems like everybody wants the problem to be their political rivals so that their politics are the only antidote. I find that incredibly self-centered.

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CLAX1911 said:

Lets spend some more time understanding the problem. Is it the same for all of these different shooters?

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CLAX1911 said:

I don't really want to talk about politics because it's ignoring the problem I don't think anyone's politics has made this problem.

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CLAX1911 said:

again you can't frame the problem is someone else's politics just to make yours the antidote.

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CLAX1911 said:

I agree with the underlined premise of this. The problem is out of our control at the moment and we need to focus on figuring out what it is and the easy solution is only a Band-Aid it is not long-term coping. But I don't think it should be the focus on just Mental Health.

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CLAX1911 said:

are you think individual Things based on people with individual needs should be the solution I'm the type of person that couldn't handle team sports. That isn't the solution for people like me.

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CLAX1911 said:

I don't presume to know what the problem is I know a few things that are probably contributing to it but I'm not skilled or educated enough to say I know what the problem is.

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apdst said:

Tighter campus security is the most realistic solution.

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leekohler2 said:

Thank you for your post.

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justabubba said:

then there is nothing about the shooter's mental health you would have found reportable prior to this tragedy

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CLAX1911 said:

Thank you for taking the time to read it and thank you for responding to my previous post I know I've been long-winded in this forum but I've argued that gun control position to the point where I'm sick of it.

I didn't mean to imply anything in my previous post to you I'm just stating that the problem is extremely complex and do we need to understand that and jumping on the solutions based on the way we think are the way we feel might not do anything.

It's humbling and reading about this incident all I could think about was how devastated I was when I lost my brother. I remember all the ways I thought about how is death could have been avoided but it was too late.

I did just can't talk about gun control anymore it's Amore we bicker about this stuff the more we ignore the many facets that are contributing to this problem.

I agree we should take a different position on Mental Health but I think there's a problem more pressing than that and until that problem is confronted nobody will do anything else and that is addressing our apathy and callousness.

I'm sorry my words are crude I'm not a poet and the thought I'm trying to convey don't completely understand it myself so please don't take it personal.

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vesper said:

I'm not his parent! But being a parent I do know at the age of 17 while with one hand you are allowing them freedoms and with the other hand you are watching them like a hawk. The kid was on social media. He kept a journal of his plans. At this time it appears his parents were not tuned into what their son was up to. I don't know a damn thing about this kids parents and neither do you. What I do know is they didn't keep their firearms locked up in a safe and they didn't police their son's activities on social media.

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j-mac said:

They look pretty normal to me....Sounds like the young man was bullied, and snapped.

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leekohler2 said:

I mentioned no partisan political solution. I simply said that no one seems to want to do anything about this problem.

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Probably not.

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I agree, which is why I mentioned no particular political ideology.



I agree, which is why I mentioned no particular political ideology.

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I agree there are no easy solutions, which Is why I presented the ones I did. None of them are easy to implement. And they are far from a band-aid. They are all difficult.

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Which is why I mentioned the arts and other such outlets.

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Then let's all make an effort to learn together.

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Renae said:

You think kids in a moment of emotional vulnerability to be used for a political cause you believe in is a good thing, hey I get it, it's the results that matter right?

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justabubba said:

thank you for answering my question. you have no specific information about this shooter's mental health prior to the tragedy

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Bucky said:

FYI Phys251, you throw a tantrum for a kid wearing a born to kill t-shirt, but what about all the kids wearing Che Guevara t-shirts?

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Mason66 said:

Being a star football player and being bullied don't jive.

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justabubba said:

cites i read indicated he was a JV football player
also saw references to his being bullied by the school coaches

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VanceMack said:

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Do you know how stupid you sound bleating about the NRA? The NRA has LITERALLY nothing to do with ANY of this. Your comments are ****ing pathetic.

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RamFel said:

I am not responding to anyone here, since I am just now posting my first post, but since there seems to be no answer, does anyone know if these school shootings are happening exclusively in our public schools, or do private schools also have shootings. Since (and if) it is in our nations public schools and the schools have been turned into liberal training grounds where students are taught hatred for conservatism if the answer to this problem lies in this set up.

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Captain America said:

What you call "hatred for conservatism," others call the "pursuit for logic, reason, kindness, acceptance, knowledge, fairness, equality and co-existance and enlightenment." Maybe, therein, lies the problem. Old habits are hard to break for harder-core conservative minded people and I can understand how most people can become frustrated with them. But I wouldn't use the word "hate."

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Aristaeus said:

If the children were carrying AK47's this would never have happened. We need to have more guns in school to reduce the number of school shootings.

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vesper said:

Again here you are trying to pin this travesty on those in authority rather than dealing with his parent's responsibility. There were currently 1,462 students enrolled at Santa Fe High prior to the shooting. Now that 10 have been killed it is 1,452.

1. The parents of this 17 year old did not secure their guns in a safe where a minor would have access to them.

2. The parents did not pay attention to their minor child's activity on social media if they did they would have seen red flags that their child was in dire straits.

What do you expect from educators Bubba? Do you expect them to magically discern all the troubled ones when they have over 1400 + to deal with in this instance?

When it comes to minors when if ever do you see the parent needing to take responsibility?

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