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Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'[W:101]

Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

He didn't.

If you read the thread, I found the transcript and admitted that I was wrong.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-mexico-democrats-sanctuary-cities/617252002/

And that folks is a perfect example of why Trump is the favorite president ever of Nazis and assorted racists.

Of course, he has made professional rationalizers out of his loyal cult, so I am sure this will be excused just like every other despicable thing he says.

He was only referring to the illegals who are violent criminals -- they are animals -- in fact, there are animals on both sides.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Irrelevant.

The topic isn't how Trump feels about all illegal immigrants. It's about what he said yesterday.

btw, you really shouldn't "presume". It's really nothing more than assuming before there's something to assume about. (and you know what assuming gets you, right?)
It is not relevant whether the distinction you make between treatment of people and "animals" is real? If you don't see difference between how "animals" and humans should be treated, then why make a fuss about how different these two groups are?

Lol, don't worry, I know it kind of rattles you to have your apologetics disturbed, I won't press the issue if you stop trying to claim you see a difference between different groups of undocumented peoples.

Sent from a memo written by Nunes and edited by Trump.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Actually, I just found an actual transcript to read rather than the video. While his wording was terrible (typically Trump), you are right, he was replying to a comment by the sheriff and thus was talking about MS-13 gang members.

First, props to you for actually going and finding a transcript.

Second, the sad reality is that most people won't bother to actually do that, and the "controversy breeds readership" mentality of the media is going to continually create stories like this. Despite the most fervent zealot-like Anti-Trumpers loving to suggest that ANYONE who doesn't immediately grab a pitch fork and torch at the first sniff of something problematic, this is precisely why I tend to not go hog wild each time a story like this comes out.

People who don't like nuance when it doesn't help them...people who want to just declare all conservatives/republicans as nazi's or racists...people who's singular desire is to attack and destroy Trump...they will suggest anyone who dares to actually look at things objectively are just "excusing" Trump. In reality, there are some who don't like Trump and aren't a fan, but simply do not subscribe to the "ends justifies the means" mentality of the most fervent anti-Trumpers where EVERYTHING is treated as the worst case scenario possible and any additional digging isn't needed.

For 8 years, one of the common refrains I'd say to those on the right (which would often get me called a RINO) was that when you over react to something, when you engage in hyperbole, when you attack an exaggeration as opposed to reality, you actually weaken yours stance. What's more, you make those people who may agree with you on the broader issue actually argue against you on the specifics, because your exaggeration actually HURTS the ability to attack and criticize the LEGITIMATE issues.

You're absolutely right. The wording was terrible. It's yet another example of Trump having either a poor grasp, or an utter lack of care, for presentation and how things will be spun and presented. It's another instance of him needlessly going "off script" of sorts and being hyperbolic himself in order to make a point, rather poorly. There are undoubtedly ACTUAL things he said about immigration in his speech that I'm sure his detractors would have legitimate issues in. But instead of focusing on and debating those, or dealing with any of that, we're instead having an uproar over a misconstrued comment he made. And that uproar will go the same way it always goes.....a day or so of people getting horribly upset about the misrepresented statement. Then, once the story has largely passed for the general public, it will be admitted with a handwave what he was actually saying but then transition into "But it's still bad because the IMPLICATION of it...!" for the next few days after. Essentially "Yeah, he didn't say what we said he did....but he actually clearly MEANT it that way because he's bad".

It just gets absolutely tiring, especially because so few will actually do what you did here and take the initiative to look at things yourself and then actually admit your error without equivocation.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

He was only referring to the illegals who are violent criminals -- they are animals -- in fact, there are animals on both sides.

Then he might learn to say what he means, if he isn't, otherwise people will take his words for their meaning. I will add that never in my life have I seen or met a CEO with less polish, tact or leadership qualities than trump, I guess that it goes to prove that money does not buy class.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

It is not relevant whether the distinction you make between treatment of people and "animals" is real? If you don't see difference between how "animals" and humans should be treated, then why make a fuss about how different these two groups are?

Lol, don't worry, I know it kind of rattles you to have your apologetics disturbed, I won't press the issue if you stop trying to claim you see a difference between different groups of undocumented peoples.

Sent from a memo written by Nunes and edited by Trump.

LOL!!

"treatment"? "humans"? "animals"?

Tell me...what, exactly, did Trump say about how he'll treat those humans he describes as animals.

Actually, never mind. This is a deflection on your part. I don't care.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Then he might learn to say what he means, if he isn't, otherwise people will take his words for their meaning. I will add that never in my life have I seen or met a CEO with less polish, tact or leadership qualities than trump, I guess that it goes to prove that money does not buy class.

He did say what he means. But you wouldn't know that unless you knew the context. You can be sure the media won't give it to you.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

He did say what he means. But you wouldn't know that unless you knew the context. You can be sure the media won't give it to you.

Since you seem to believe that you know the context please post it here so it can be discussed.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Since you seem to believe that you know the context please post it here so it can be discussed.

Sure.

SHERIFF MIMS: Thank you. There could be an MS-13 member I know about — if they don’t reach a certain threshold, I cannot tell ICE about it.

THE PRESIDENT: We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we’re stopping a lot of them — but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals. And we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It’s crazy.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...-trump-california-sanctuary-state-roundtable/
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Here's the entire conversation in context. The part about "animals" goes:

SHERIFF MIMS: Thank you. There could be an MS-13 member I know about -- if they don’t reach a certain threshold, I cannot tell ICE about it.

THE PRESIDENT: We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in -- and we’re stopping a lot of them -- but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals. And we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It’s crazy.

Who was he saying were "animals?" It's not too clear. I'd say he was talking about the MS 13, but, given his other statements, I'm not sure.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

I sure did watch it. I watched the video before I even found the article. No other president in the last 100 years would use that kind of despicable rhetoric. He lumps every illegal immigrant in with the small minority of them that are dangerous criminals.

Y'all blew it again. President Trump was referring to the MS-13 clowns.

Sheriff Margaret Mims: There can be an MS-13 gang member I know about. If they don’t reach a certain threshold I cannot tell ICE about them.

President Trump: We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — we’re stopping a lot of them. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people, these are animals, and we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before.

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05/17/video-media-falsely-claims-trump-called-immigrants-animals/

Another faux outrage bites the dust.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Interesting....this is something else Trump said:

"I know what you're going through right now with families is very tough," he told Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, "but those are the bad laws that the Democrats gave us. We have to break up families ... because of the Democrats. It's terrible."


So why are the Democrats forcing Trump to break up families?? Explain yourself Nancy Pelosi!!!! How do you sleep at night Obama!!?!!
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Interesting....this is something else Trump said:

"I know what you're going through right now with families is very tough," he told Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, "but those are the bad laws that the Democrats gave us. We have to break up families ... because of the Democrats. It's terrible."


So why are the Democrats forcing Trump to break up families?? Explain yourself Nancy Pelosi!!!! How do you sleep at night Obama!!?!!

Trump has made a career out of pissing on everyone’s leg whilst telling them it’s raining, so this is no surprise.
 
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The tragedy of a bunch of mindless leftists making outright lies in order to foment racial hatred for political gain is stunning. There is ZERO question who he is rightfully referring to...but idiot leftists spew the lie that he is talking about 'undocumented immigrants' and mewling mindless muppets regurgitate the lie.

Pathetic.
 
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1. Sanctuary cities do not release violent criminals regardless of their immigration status. The whole point of a sanctuary city, whether one agrees with them or not, is that the city will not enforce federal immigration law. A violent criminal will be held in jail regardless of their immigration status. So he lied about that.

2. Either he was referring to illegal immigrants in general as animals, or he doesn't possess 6th grade grammar skills and thus is not aware of the fact you need to describe something in context and not go on to generalizations before you describe a specific group.

It's most likely this; he isn't a good public speaker. Watch some of his speeches and listen how he goes off on tangents and doesn't make coherent sentences. Remember when he said "I know words, I know the best words."? Surely someone who knows the "best words" would have found them to convey this idea better.
 
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Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Y'all blew it again. President Trump was referring to the MS-13 clowns.

Another faux outrage bites the dust.

SD already admitted that upon reading the full transcript that Trump was referring to MS-13 gang members that were being deported/entering illegally, and that he was incorrect in his assertions in the OP.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

SD already admitted that upon reading the full transcript that Trump was referring to MS-13 gang members that were being deported/entering illegally, and that he was incorrect in his assertions in the OP.

That's big of him.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Trump has made a career out of pissing on everyone’s leg whilst telling them it’s raining, so this is no surprise.

We have to break up families, because Democrats?

Does he really believe some of the garbage he says?
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Actually, I just found an actual transcript to read rather than the video. While his wording was terrible (typically Trump), you are right, he was replying to a comment by the sheriff and thus was talking about MS-13 gang members.

My compliments for reconsidering your perception. If more people here were willing to act in good faith and reconsider their points we wouldn't have to suffer from neo-Trolls who bunker themselves is idiot memes.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

To call MS-13 gang members animals is spot on. Do you not have a clue to the heinous acts performed by these gang members? Long before Trump became president, their heinous acts were well documented and the carnage continued to increase as the immigration laws were not enforced.
Well, if you care about their history, they started out in good old Los Angeles, USA. It was because members were deported (i.e. immigration laws were being enforced) that the gang has become international, thus helping to contribute to the violence that now plagues Central America and in turn drives more immigration to the US.

Certainly, they have committed some heinous acts. And they are animals in the sense that all human beings are hominoids, but there is a special class of acts that only human beings can achieve precisely because they are so aware of others pain and can plan out the acts with forethought. To call them animals actually implies a lack of accountability, because they are being dehumanized.

Why dehumanize them then? So that we can treat them like animals. Because an animal can't help what they do, they are incapable of being anything else. No intervention can reform them. They cannot repent, "find God", or have any moral reckoning. We can now slit their throat like a cow and have no regrets.

And that is why dehumanization itself is an evil that no other animal is capable of and it leads to the worst possible acts. The Nazi called the Jews rats and the Hutus called the Tutsis cockroaches. This is not moral philosophizing, this is how evil works.

Yes, Trump seems to be talking about criminals like MS13, but that is also how he is characterizing the immigration debate in general - as a security threat from rapists and animals from foreign countries. First he equates immigration enforcement with in with criminal enforcement and then he calls them animals. Certainly, you could parse it so that he is not calling the average farm laborer an animal, but that is not the point of his rhetoric. His point is that enforcing illegal immigration is really about keeping the dirty, rapist, Mexican animals out of our country. His hope is that we are no longer talking about average people when we talk about immigration (and hence immigrants), we are talking about animals.


While you try to spin this as a racist thing dropping the Nazi bomb, it is actually a serious national security issue.
Clearly, it is not just Nazis who fall for his rhetoric.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Nope.

He was talking about a very specific subset of illegal aliens...the ones he specifically mentioned in his speech.

Your spin is rejected by reality.

SouthernDemocrat must be very annoying to be around...

Sir, do you want pineapples on your Pizza?
SD: Wouldn't Pineapples crush the pizza, and be too hard to bite into, and what about the leaves?
Sir, we cut the pineapple into small edible pieces, and place them on the pizza...
SD: You should have said so!!! I assumed when you said Pineapple you put the entire pineapple on the pizza... stop being misleading!
Sir, most people don't like eating unprepared whole pineapples... I was not referring to them...obviously

Will-full overly-literal interpretation for spin... or just stupidity....
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

SouthernDemocrat must be very annoying to be around...

Sir, do you want pineapples on your Pizza?
SD: Wouldn't Pineapples crush the pizza, and be too hard to bite into, and what about the leaves?
Sir, we cut the pineapple into small edible pieces, and place them on the pizza...
SD: You should have said so!!! I assumed when you said Pineapple you put the entire pineapple on the pizza... stop being misleading!
Sir, most people don't like eating unprepared whole pineapples... I was not referring to them...obviously

Will-full overly-literal interpretation for spin... or just stupidity....

If you read the thread, you will find where I found the actual transcript and admitted I was wrong. I am one of the few posters on here that will admit when they are wrong.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

If you read the thread, you will find where I found the actual transcript and admitted I was wrong. I am one of the few posters on here that will admit when they are wrong.

Hey, good on you! :cool:

I recuse my criticism xD.
 
Re: Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

If you read the thread, you will find where I found the actual transcript and admitted I was wrong. I am one of the few posters on here that will admit when they are wrong.

Good, because the AP had to correct themselves, too. They also like to take comments out of context ... as long as it portrays Trump in a negative light. (spit)


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AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members.

8:35 AM - 17 May 2018
 
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