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Russia favored Trump in 2016, Senate panel says, breaking with House GOP

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...f95a6a-58f6-11e8-8836-a4a123c359ab_story.html

The Senate Intelligence Committee has determined that the U.S. intelligence community was correct in assessing that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the aim of helping then-candidate Donald Trump, contradicting findings House Republicans reached last month.

“We see no reason to dispute the [intelligence community’s] conclusions,” the committee’s chairman, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), said Wednesday in a joint statement with its vice chair, Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.), who added: “Our staff concluded that the ... conclusions were accurate and on point. The Russian effort was extensive, sophisticated, and ordered by President Putin himself for the purpose of helping Donald Trump and hurting Hillary Clinton.”
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The Senate committee’s findings clash with the House GOP’s determination that the intelligence community did not follow its own best practices in concluding the Kremlin favored Trump in the election. The dispute — and the questions it now raises about which record of events is most accurate — could complicate the Republican Party’s messaging heading into the 2018 election season.
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Nothing in these findings are remarkable here. The signs of collusion between tRump and Russia have been evident for two years now. But it is significant that the Republican-led Senate Intel Committee accepts the findings of the intel community's findings.

Not coincidentally, none of the Republican Senators on this committee will be up for reelection this fall.
 
Collusion. What collusion? No collusion. Trump keeps bringing that up even when not asked. Guilty conscience?
 
Phys251 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...f95a6a-58f6-11e8-8836-a4a123c359ab_story.html





Nothing in these findings are remarkable here. The signs of collusion between tRump and Russia have been evident for two years now. But it is significant that the Republican-led Senate Intel Committee accepts the findings of the intel community's findings.

Not coincidentally, none of the Republican Senators on this committee will be up for reelection this fall.
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5 guilty pleas so far.

Can't wait to get another 5.
 
JacksinPA said:
Collusion. What collusion? No collusion. Trump keeps bringing that up even when not asked. Guilty conscience?
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Obfuscation.

What he really means, is:

"My other crimes mean nothing, if you can't prove collusion. And I will define 'collusion'."
 
Phys251 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...f95a6a-58f6-11e8-8836-a4a123c359ab_story.html





Nothing in these findings are remarkable here. The signs of collusion between tRump and Russia have been evident for two years now. But it is significant that the Republican-led Senate Intel Committee accepts the findings of the intel community's findings.

Not coincidentally, none of the Republican Senators on this committee will be up for reelection this fall.
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So Devin Nunes is simply a partisan hack, and the honest Senators aren't afraid to publicly disagree with him and don't have their lips affixed to Trump's large posterior.

That actually is remarkable in itself.
 
Phys251 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...f95a6a-58f6-11e8-8836-a4a123c359ab_story.html





Nothing in these findings are remarkable here. The signs of collusion between tRump and Russia have been evident for two years now. But it is significant that the Republican-led Senate Intel Committee accepts the findings of the intel community's findings.

Not coincidentally, none of the Republican Senators on this committee will be up for reelection this fall.
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Your OP is intentionally conflating collusion with meddling. The House Intelligence Committee found no evidence of collusion. The Senate committee agrees with intelligence community assessment of election
meddling.
 
tres borrachos said:
So Devin Nunes is simply a partisan hack, and the honest Senators aren't afraid to publicly disagree with him and don't have their lips affixed to Trump's large posterior.

That actually is remarkable in itself.
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I am at a loss to explain why his California constituents keep electing Rep. Devin Nunes (R/CA/22nd).

Same with the Putin/Russia-loving Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R/CA/48th).

Pork projects? Ultra-wealthy districts? Neocon (Alt-right) districts?
 
hanger4 said:
Your OP is intentionally conflating collusion with meddling. The House Intelligence Committee found no evidence of collusion. The Senate committee agrees with intelligence community assessment of election
meddling.
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Correction: the House GOP Intel committee found no evidence. The Dems say otherwise and say they didn't even interview most important witnesses. It was not a partisan conclusion.

I think most of us will wait for Mueller to answer the collusion (conspiracy) question.


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Rogue Valley said:
I am at a loss to explain why his California constituents keep electing Rep. Devin Nunes (R/CA/22nd).

Same with the Putin/Russia-loving Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R/CA/48th).

Pork projects? Ultra-wealthy districts? Neocon (Alt-right) districts?
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Ignorant voters is more like it.
 
WCH said:
not a one for the mythical crime of collusion.
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The crime behind collusion is "conspiracy".... those charges have already been levied. Some have chosen to settle now, for less.

Its far, far more likely than not that others will be hearing that charge, among others, levied against them.
 
PoliSciXtina said:
Correction: the House GOP Intel committee found no evidence. The Dems say otherwise and say they didn't even interview most important witnesses. It was not a partisan conclusion.
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Nunes was trying to do a coverup. It was partisan as hell.
 
PoliSciXtina said:
Correction: the House GOP Intel committee found no evidence. The Dems say otherwise and say they didn't even interview most important witnesses. It was not a partisan conclusion.

I think most of us will wait for Mueller to answer the collusion (conspiracy) question.


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Irrelevant to my post. The WaPo OP intentionally conflated collusion with meddling. The House conclusion and Senate conclusion aren't at odds.
 
Phys251 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...f95a6a-58f6-11e8-8836-a4a123c359ab_story.html





Nothing in these findings are remarkable here. The signs of collusion between tRump and Russia have been evident for two years now. But it is significant that the Republican-led Senate Intel Committee accepts the findings of the intel community's findings.

Not coincidentally, none of the Republican Senators on this committee will be up for reelection this fall.
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Excuse me. I didn't see the part where Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians to influence the election.
 
hanger4 said:
Irrelevant to my post. The WaPo OP intentionally conflated collusion with meddling. The House conclusion and Senate conclusion aren't at odds.
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You're the one who is conflating collusion with meddling. But the Senate report did directly contradict the Congressional report in agreeing with our Intelligence Agencies assessment that Russian interference campaign was deliberately designed to help Trump's campaign and to harm Clinton's campaign. The Senate still has yet to publicly address the issue of collusion.
 
Floridafan said:
Thats coming very soon, just be patient.
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LOL. By the time the investigation is over, Trump won't even be president anymore. That's the funniest part. The longer this goes on the more the Trump agenda continues.
 
Phys251 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...f95a6a-58f6-11e8-8836-a4a123c359ab_story.html





Nothing in these findings are remarkable here. The signs of collusion between tRump and Russia have been evident for two years now. But it is significant that the Republican-led Senate Intel Committee accepts the findings of the intel community's findings.

Not coincidentally, none of the Republican Senators on this committee will be up for reelection this fall.
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Mueller told Trump's legal team he will not indict the president, Giuliani tells Fox News

Mueller told Trump's legal team he will not indict the president, Giuliani tells Fox News | Fox News

Sounds like the whole totally manufactured Russian collusion narrative just bit the dust.
 
hanger4 said:
Irrelevant to my post. The WaPo OP intentionally conflated collusion with meddling. The House conclusion and Senate conclusion aren't at odds.
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So is it safe to say you don't dispute Russian "meddling"? Lets assume yes. As a conservative who loves the flag and constitution more than anything, you are clearly angry at Russia and anybody who tries downplay the significance of this. And it must truly infuriate you that we have a president who seems to have no problem with this and refuses to enforce the sanctions levied by a republican congress. Can you point to your posts expressing this outrage? thanks in advance.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. By the time the investigation is over, Trump won't even be president anymore. That's the funniest part. The longer this goes on the more the Trump agenda continues.
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Like his North Korean agenda ? Still looking for the Nobel prize for failure?
 
Atomic Kid said:
You're the one who is conflating collusion with meddling. But the Senate report did directly contradict the Congressional report in agreeing with our Intelligence Agencies assessment that Russian interference campaign was deliberately designed to help Trump's campaign and to harm Clinton's campaign. The Senate still has yet to publicly address the issue of collusion.
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The House Committee was addressing collusion, the Senate was not, as you stated. The OP was conflating the two, to setup their strawman of contradiction.

*Senate investigators: No conclusion about collusion with Russia in 2016*

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/04/senate-russia-probe-intelligence-assessment-243454
 
Vern said:
So is it safe to say you don't dispute Russian "meddling"? Lets assume yes. As a conservative who loves the flag and constitution more than anything, you are clearly angry at Russia and anybody who tries downplay the significance of this. And it must truly infuriate you that we have a president who seems to have no problem with this and refuses to enforce the sanctions levied by a republican congress. Can you point to your posts expressing this outrage? thanks in advance.
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I've never disputed Russian meddling in our elections, nor have I disputed the US meddling in theirs or other elections.
 
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