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China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

JANFU said:
IMHO the Clinton's are corrupt as hell. Now the Trump Family, add in a number of Cabinet members, and it just gets worse.

Now the Spanked supporters will either ignore this thread, or bring up Hillary, emails and such. Many have their heads so far up Trumps ass it must be difficult to breath, but we can figure out what they eat.
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Does that mean that anyone who doesn't swallow the spin being spooned out and points out the fact that 'extending a loan' does not equal the sinister 'contribute' and that the loan, not contribution, that is being extended to an entity that has nothing to do with Trump's businesses and is not being used for anything Trump branded is a Spanked supporter?


I'd like to point out that I would raise the same point no matter who it was about. Seems like anytime I have something critical to say about the media and the common spin, I'm labeled a Trump supporter :roll:
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
All our politicians make favorable decisions for the people feathering their nest. Please save it for the clueless.
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So much for "draining the swamp." What you are saying is that corruption is acceptable. Or, are you saying corruption is acceptable as long as it isn't Democrats doing it? You people were chanting "crooked Hillary" not two years ago and now you have done a full 180.

The reality is that corruption isn't acceptable and when Democrats do it they should face the consequences and when a president corruptly uses his office to enrich himself, he should also face the law -- just like Nixon.
 
Hopefully someone can sum the posts in this thread up for me so I don't have to read all 16 pages. The people who have been having vapors and clutching their hearts through the years over Bill Clinton being paid to give speeches while his wife was Secretary of State have come in here to denounce the Trump family personally benefitting from this, while the leader of the family is playing President and crying over the jobs lost in China, right?
 
MSgt said:
Isn't it telling that when we look at another entity in the world, organized crime, we clearly call it what it is? Or do they merely offer "loans" to judges and politicians?
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Yea loans that never have to be paid back... fully legal!
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
All our politicians make favorable decisions for the people feathering their nest. Please save it for the clueless.
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please provide 5 examples of US Presidents setting US policy to meet their personal needs....
 
JANFU said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/china-contributing-500-million-trump-linked-project-indonesia/

From the National Review - A Conservative magazine, no one can call or label this Fake News

ZTE under 7 year sanctions from purchasing US products was effectively bankrupted
Now China - State firm, money from the PRC - invested in a theme park where Trump branded a Hotel and Golf Course are part of the deal.
Now tell me this does not have a clear perception of a trade off?




https://www.britannica.com/story/what-is-the-emoluments-clause
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Ugh. Terrible if true.

If there is any real connection to this, the trump holdings must refuse or remove themselves from the environment.
 
I couldn’t believe it til I read it...

And here’s the thing, I’m not even surprised, like I’m not shocked by this at all, what makes me breathless in the face of such news is the knowledge, the certainty, that his supporters will excuse this as nothing at all to be concerned about here.

He really does know for a fact his supporters are idiots doesn’t he?

Because they’re already, without batting an eye saying there’s nothing to see here.

He can hide in plain sight (that seems to be the strategy anyway) and they’re A-OK with all of it.
 
holbritter said:
Does that mean that anyone who doesn't swallow the spin being spooned out and points out the fact that 'extending a loan' does not equal the sinister 'contribute' and that the loan, not contribution, that is being extended to an entity that has nothing to do with Trump's businesses and is not being used for anything Trump branded is a Spanked supporter?


I'd like to point out that I would raise the same point no matter who it was about. Seems like anytime I have something critical to say about the media and the common spin, I'm labeled a Trump supporter :roll:
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Having a theme park as part of the resort will do a couple of things off the top of my head:

Raise the overrall value of the property

Allow them to in theory charge much, much higher room rates.

There’s possibly more but those jump to mind right away... there are very real and tangible benefits to Trumps business because of this.
 
Mycroft said:
So...another nonsense comment. Figures.
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I can just see how it happened. Trump tweets we need to save Chinese jobs for a foreign company that poses a security risk to the US, Mycroft sticks his fingers in his ears and babbles, “Lalala, Trump is God, lalalala!”
 
Mycroft said:
It's still nothing but speculation. A nothingburger.

Do you REALLY want to impeach someone on speculation?
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The tweet is not speculation. If any other president declared we need to save the jobs of a foreign company that poses a security risk to our country everyone would be calling for their head. Lucky for Trump he could do no wrong in the eyes of his cult followers.
 
Mycroft said:
And if you take out what happened on May 11, nothing changes.
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:lamo

Are you being serious? Please tell me you’re not serious.
 
Geoist said:
I can just see how it happened. Trump tweets we need to save Chinese jobs for a foreign company that poses a security risk to the US, Mycroft sticks his fingers in his ears and babbles, “Lalala, Trump is God, lalalala!”
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Sadly, true of many trump supporters, he can do no wrong in their minds. I wonder if Mueller is watching, after all it is a crime for a President to receive gifts, especially when it comes from another Nation. Trump may believe, along with his minions, that he is above the law, the sooner he and they discover the falacy of that thought the better.
 
tres borrachos said:
Hopefully someone can sum the posts in this thread up for me so I don't have to read all 16 pages. The people who have been having vapors and clutching their hearts through the years over Bill Clinton being paid to give speeches while his wife was Secretary of State have come in here to denounce the Trump family personally benefitting from this, while the leader of the family is playing President and crying over the jobs lost in China, right?
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I'll sum up the posts from the usual suspects..

"I deal in evidence only, not speculation."

"Loans are not bribes."

and.. "nothing burger from the anti-Trump media."

In short the requisite hypocrisy needed to continue supporting Trump.
 
Geoist said:
Better let your conservative friends know.
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I'm nobody's keeper. You let them know.

While you're at it, let your anti-Trump friends know, too.
 
Mycroft said:
Your delusion is astounding...but not surprising.

In any case, your delusion is also boring.

You are dismissed.
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So for the sake of intellectual honesty, if this was a Clinton presidency -- are you honestly telling me that you would regard that story as a nothing burger made of only speculation and not evidence?

...and before you say "Clinton is irrelevant" -- never mind, I started cracking myself up at the thought of any Trump supporter believing Clinton is irrelevant :lamo
 
biff_poindexter said:
So for the sake of intellectual honesty, if this was a Clinton presidency -- are you honestly telling me that you would regard that story as a nothing burger made of only speculation and not evidence?

...and before you say "Clinton is irrelevant" -- never mind, I started cracking myself up at the thought of any Trump supporter believing Clinton is irrelevant :lamo
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Why are you so hung up on Hillary?
 
tres borrachos said:
Hopefully someone can sum the posts in this thread up for me so I don't have to read all 16 pages. The people who have been having vapors and clutching their hearts through the years over Bill Clinton being paid to give speeches while his wife was Secretary of State have come in here to denounce the Trump family personally benefitting from this, while the leader of the family is playing President and crying over the jobs lost in China, right?
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You can guess. Trump looks corrupt as hell, Trumpists swoop in to deflect for their hero, and there's enough hypocrisy to float the Goodyear blimp. That about sums it up.
 
holbritter said:
Does that mean that anyone who doesn't swallow the spin being spooned out and points out the fact that 'extending a loan' does not equal the sinister 'contribute' and that the loan, not contribution, that is being extended to an entity that has nothing to do with Trump's businesses and is not being used for anything Trump branded is a Spanked supporter?


I'd like to point out that I would raise the same point no matter who it was about. Seems like anytime I have something critical to say about the media and the common spin, I'm labeled a Trump supporter :roll:
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No, not at you, you make well informed posts and rebuttals. I have yet to have a discussion with you, where we are both on opposite sides of a discussion where you did not use facts to make a well informed point. No insults, jabs, digs, whataboutism involved, just a civil discussion, much like one would have with a good friend
1 reason I like this Board is we have many posters like yourself.
Like you I have no issue admitting I was wrong.

Just the diehards that regardless of what Trump does, they are fine with it, they rebut with what about HRC, Obama, then they try other misdirection. Nothing but trolls, and I find them tiresome, even though I do engage them. I am reducing those numbers as after a few posts of such, I just cease replying. Life is to short, and more interesting discussions can be had.

If it was a Democrat I would say the same thing, as we have die hard Dems. that make all types of excuses.

That said I hate political corruption. Grew up in a small Prov in Canada. Political corruption was rampant, even getting hired for a Prov or Fed job boiled down to which party you were affiliated with.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I couldn’t believe it til I read it...

And here’s the thing, I’m not even surprised, like I’m not shocked by this at all, what makes me breathless in the face of such news is the knowledge, the certainty, that his supporters will excuse this as nothing at all to be concerned about here.

He really does know for a fact his supporters are idiots doesn’t he?

Because they’re already, without batting an eye saying there’s nothing to see here.

He can hide in plain sight (that seems to be the strategy anyway) and they’re A-OK with all of it.
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All you need to do is check the thread for who posted. The usual nothingburger seems to be the common attitude.
As Trump once said, he could shoot someone and no one would care.
 
JANFU said:
All you need to do is check the thread for who posted. The usual nothingburger seems to be the common attitude.
As Trump once said, he could shoot someone and no one would care.
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Times like this where Bohemian Rhapsody’s opening lines are apt.

“Is this the real life... is this just fantasy...”
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Show me evidence...not speculation...and I'll stop calling this a nothingburger.
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Isn’t it amazing, for a follower of the church of birtherism, for such a highly questionable timing of events and statements to dismiss it out of hand with no reservations...

Actually not that amazing, very predictable indeed from a poster without a shred of integrity in their entire body.
 
MTAtech said:
So much for "draining the swamp." What you are saying is that corruption is acceptable. Or, are you saying corruption is acceptable as long as it isn't Democrats doing it? You people were chanting "crooked Hillary" not two years ago and now you have done a full 180.

The reality is that corruption isn't acceptable and when Democrats do it they should face the consequences and when a president corruptly uses his office to enrich himself, he should also face the law -- just like Nixon.
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For me it depends if a decision Trump made clearly was to help him get rich as apposed to good for the country. I have no problem with an elected leader being in the bridge building business and earmarking money to repair bridges that need repairs. I have a problem when he gives the contract to repair the bridges to himself without allowing sealed bids from other bridge builders. I will say again I have no problem with elected officials having businesses. I have no problem with them appointing someone to run the business while they serve in office. I have no problem with elected officials making major decisions when needed to their businesses. I do have a problem if they use the office they are elected to as means to get rich.
 
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