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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by holbritter View Post
    Does that mean that anyone who doesn't swallow the spin being spooned out and points out the fact that 'extending a loan' does not equal the sinister 'contribute' and that the loan, not contribution, that is being extended to an entity that has nothing to do with Trump's businesses and is not being used for anything Trump branded is a Spanked supporter?


    I'd like to point out that I would raise the same point no matter who it was about. Seems like anytime I have something critical to say about the media and the common spin, I'm labeled a Trump supporter
    No, not at you, you make well informed posts and rebuttals. I have yet to have a discussion with you, where we are both on opposite sides of a discussion where you did not use facts to make a well informed point. No insults, jabs, digs, whataboutism involved, just a civil discussion, much like one would have with a good friend
    1 reason I like this Board is we have many posters like yourself.
    Like you I have no issue admitting I was wrong.

    Just the diehards that regardless of what Trump does, they are fine with it, they rebut with what about HRC, Obama, then they try other misdirection. Nothing but trolls, and I find them tiresome, even though I do engage them. I am reducing those numbers as after a few posts of such, I just cease replying. Life is to short, and more interesting discussions can be had.

    If it was a Democrat I would say the same thing, as we have die hard Dems. that make all types of excuses.

    That said I hate political corruption. Grew up in a small Prov in Canada. Political corruption was rampant, even getting hired for a Prov or Fed job boiled down to which party you were affiliated with.
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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I couldn’t believe it til I read it...

    And here’s the thing, I’m not even surprised, like I’m not shocked by this at all, what makes me breathless in the face of such news is the knowledge, the certainty, that his supporters will excuse this as nothing at all to be concerned about here.

    He really does know for a fact his supporters are idiots doesn’t he?

    Because they’re already, without batting an eye saying there’s nothing to see here.

    He can hide in plain sight (that seems to be the strategy anyway) and they’re A-OK with all of it.
    All you need to do is check the thread for who posted. The usual nothingburger seems to be the common attitude.
    As Trump once said, he could shoot someone and no one would care.
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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    All you need to do is check the thread for who posted. The usual nothingburger seems to be the common attitude.
    As Trump once said, he could shoot someone and no one would care.
    Times like this where Bohemian Rhapsody’s opening lines are apt.

    “Is this the real life... is this just fantasy...”

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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    shrug...

    Show me evidence...not speculation...and I'll stop calling this a nothingburger.
    Isn’t it amazing, for a follower of the church of birtherism, for such a highly questionable timing of events and statements to dismiss it out of hand with no reservations...

    Actually not that amazing, very predictable indeed from a poster without a shred of integrity in their entire body.

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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    So much for "draining the swamp." What you are saying is that corruption is acceptable. Or, are you saying corruption is acceptable as long as it isn't Democrats doing it? You people were chanting "crooked Hillary" not two years ago and now you have done a full 180.

    The reality is that corruption isn't acceptable and when Democrats do it they should face the consequences and when a president corruptly uses his office to enrich himself, he should also face the law -- just like Nixon.
    For me it depends if a decision Trump made clearly was to help him get rich as apposed to good for the country. I have no problem with an elected leader being in the bridge building business and earmarking money to repair bridges that need repairs. I have a problem when he gives the contract to repair the bridges to himself without allowing sealed bids from other bridge builders. I will say again I have no problem with elected officials having businesses. I have no problem with them appointing someone to run the business while they serve in office. I have no problem with elected officials making major decisions when needed to their businesses. I do have a problem if they use the office they are elected to as means to get rich.
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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH
    All our politicians make favorable decisions for the people feathering their nest. Please save it for the clueless.
    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    please provide 5 examples of US Presidents setting US policy to meet their personal needs....
    Thanks for asking that.

    Trump and his supporters have a pattern for defending Trump's indefensible acts.

    First, they lie and deny that it happened.
    Second, they make up a story (e.g. Michael Cohen paid Stormy Daniels with a home equity loan.)
    Third, claim they are the victim. (e.g. it's the deep state out to get him.)
    Fourth, when indisputable evidence comes out they use the it's not so bad because "everybody" does it too (see above excuse.)

    What this displays for all to see is that Trump supporters aren't interested in the truth, the law, or any sense of county first. Instead, it's complete tribalism, where the leader of the tribe (like Jim Jones) is never wrong and get's a pass on all rules and norms. This is quite different than Obama supporters. If Obama was found to have been a fraction as corrupt, unethical and dishonest as Trump has proven to be, Obama's supporters would have called for him to resign. We wouldn't have needed the Republicans.
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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    For me it depends if a decision Trump made clearly was to help him get rich as apposed to good for the country. I have no problem with an elected leader being in the bridge building business and earmarking money to repair bridges that need repairs. I have a problem when he gives the contract to repair the bridges to himself without allowing sealed bids from other bridge builders. I will say again I have no problem with elected officials having businesses. I have no problem with them appointing someone to run the business while they serve in office. I have no problem with elected officials making major decisions when needed to their businesses. I do have a problem if they use the office they are elected to as means to get rich.
    While there is indeed an argument there, it is a completely different fact pattern than the one at hand.

    In this situation, Trump has publicly and vocally claimed that 'China is stealing our jobs.' Then, as soon as a half billion shows up from the Chinese to fund a project that contains Trump properties, he does a complete about-face and suddenly cares about Chinese jobs. This has nothing to do with anything good for our country. It's complete feather bedding and self-serving.

    The same as Trump's resistance to sanctions against Russia. We haven't been allowed to hear the details of how embedded Russian finances are intertwined in Trump's businesses but it would not surprise me in the least if Trump's presidential decisions are heavily weighted on his personal situation, contrary to the interests of the nation.
    Last edited by MTAtech; 05-16-18 at 07:43 PM.
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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Another WHATABOUT!!!

    You fail.
    Benghazi and now today, the house going after nothing on Clinton, while the senate totally blew the house report out of all reasonable thought.

    The modern American right of today had better drop this scum or you'll go all of the way down with him.
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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Times like this where Bohemian Rhapsody’s opening lines are apt.

    “Is this the real life... is this just fantasy...”
    Scaramouch scaramouch, will you do the fandango?

    I guess he didn't. Not well enough, anyway.
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    Re: China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did anyone actually read the article?



    A loan isn't bribery...lol
    Trump doesn't pay back loans, he declares bankruptcy...

    That's why no one lends him money in the States. Anyone that gives him money knows they are not getting it back, so it is in fact a bribe.

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