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Melania Trump undergoes kidney surgery at Walter Reed medical center

MateoMtnClimber said:
I'm with you. She's married to a monster, but she's only guilty by association to a limited extent. She's always been gracious and polite and dignified whenever I've seen her, so she gets my well wishes.
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I care less about those things, and more about results of actions.

IMO Donald Trump's actions will have long-lasting negative effects that we'll have to work hard to reverse, whereas Melania Trump hasn't really done much negative except be married to Trump (I'm assuming that's a negative) and give him some extremely limited legitimacy as a result.

I would frankly be OK with Trump's style if he wasn't such a complete ass and incapable of using that to benefit the country rather than himself.
Plus he seems to be some form of racist and bigoted, which doesn't help.
 
The Mark said:
I care less about those things, and more about results of actions.

IMO Donald Trump's actions will have long-lasting negative effects that we'll have to work hard to reverse, whereas Melania Trump hasn't really done much negative except be married to Trump (I'm assuming that's a negative) and give him some extremely limited legitimacy as a result.

I would frankly be OK with Trump's style if he wasn't such a complete ass and incapable of using that to benefit the country rather than himself.
Plus he seems to be some form of racist and bigoted, which doesn't help.
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He's also just a plain old ****ty person.
 
All this compassion for a rich lady yet people by the millions have worse things happening to them daily. Think me classless but I cant be bothered with crap like this. Not when I have my own actual friends and family to worry about.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
All this compassion for a rich lady yet people by the millions have worse things happening to them daily. Think me classless but I cant be bothered with crap like this. Not when I have my own actual friends and family to worry about.
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Granted this is only news because she's married to the President.

But you still can be glad someone is no longer ill.

While simultaneously wishing the healthcare system was better and everyone had access to that level of care.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
There has been a lot of chatter in this forum lately about how any criticism of the president is a symptom of hatred toward him or "TDS" or any variation of those things. So, while I won't be complimenting him for anything, I do wish the First Lady a full and speedy recovery from this surprise (to the public) surgery.

"'This morning, first lady Melania Trump underwent an embolization procedure to treat a benign kidney condition. The procedure was successful, and there were no complications,' the first lady's communications director, Stephanie Grisham, said in a statement."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/14/politics/melania-trump-surgery/index.html
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What is a benign kidney condition? It makes me think of a bad UTI that spreads to the kidneys. She is young to be seriously ill. I hope she's ok.
 
SheWolf said:
What is a benign kidney condition? It makes me think of a bad UTI that spreads to the kidneys. She is young to be seriously ill. I hope she's ok.
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I'm not sure we're going to get much more information. Lots of people are speculating, but they're making a lot of assumptions.
 
Wishing the first lady a speedy recovery, and thank you to Mateo for an appropriate OP...

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biglawnmower said:
either. both very classy first ladies who did wonders for the country. then it went severely down hill for 8 years. now its back to having a wonderful first lady who is in need of our positive thoughts as she undergoes this surgery.

speedy recovery mrs trump!
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Apparently Melania Trump disagrees with your assessment. I haven't heard of her channeling either Mrs. Bush like she has Mrs. Obama.
 
The Mark said:
Granted this is only news because she's married to the President.

But you still can be glad someone is no longer ill.

While simultaneously wishing the healthcare system was better and everyone had access to that level of care.
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This is no different than any other famous person who becomes ill. While there nothing wrong with having empathy for famous people, its still meaningless given what one can find in the news daily.
 
Xelor said:
I heard it reported on the news.

The official word is that it was a "benign" surgical procedure. What the hell is a benign surgical procedure? Did it involve general anesthesia? If so, it wasn't benign.

We've all heard of benign conditions, most often tumors, warts, and other growths, but not benign surgical procedures because all of them carry risk.

For what malady was she operated on? Why are spokespersons refraining from simply saying what was/is wrong with her kidney? What is it with the Trump Admin. that they can't just issue a simple statement of fact that informs the public accurately and completely?

Mrs. Trump has no official government role, but she's the First Lady. People are concerned about her. This is health issue and a kidney isn't exactly a "sensitive to discuss" organ. Betty Ford, for example, had a mastectomy while she was First Lady and the whole world knew it because the WH told them so.
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That would be because it is none of your business.

Her health issues are hers and hers alone.

Why would you think you are entitled to know every detail about her health care?
 
Melania has kidneys? Well, that settles one thing, anyway. Seriously, I've always thought being First Lady is a tough job. They give up a lot that most of us take for granted.

I wish her well.
 
Mason66 said:
That would be because it is none of your business.

Her health issues are hers and hers alone.

Why would you think you are entitled to know every detail about her health care?
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holbritter said:
Maybe it was her request to keep it quiet. Why so upset?
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....I wrote:


  1. For her, it'd be a directive, not a request, and it'd be a mandate that she, having no official capacity in government, is well within her rights to issue.
  2. She's a public personality, but not a public official, so I understand that she may therefore feel obliged to say something, particularly insofar as, having an approval rating near 60%, she can reasonably infer that many people like her and care to some extent about her welfare.
  3. As noted previously:
  4. It is reasonable to infer that she has a tumor of some sort on/in/around her kidney, and while the tumor may indeed be benign, a tumor in/on/around one's kidney is a serious matter, if for no other reason than that it doesn't belong there, to say nothing of the fact that even a benign a tumor's manifestation may increase one's risk for getting cancer. (It certainly does with benign breast tumors and/or lesions.)

    There are several incongruities that suggest the assertions Mrs. Trump's team (presumably at her behest) has made are contextually and/or factually inaccurate:
    • "Starving" a tumor is basically what renal embolization is for.
    • Generally, renal embolism is an outpatient procedure, yet Mrs. Trump is scheduled to be in hospital for the remainder of the week.
    • The word "benign" generally refers to tumors. For instance, it's very uncommon to say "a benign virus/bacterium" or "a harmful virus/bacterium." The standard medical diction for that is "symbiotic/symbiont" or "pathogenic/pathogen," respectively, and one need not be a medical professional to know that for that language is the stuff of high school biology class.
  5. I despise misrepresentations of context and fact. Period. That, as far as I'm concerned, is so of everyone, all the more so when one does that and could have easily avoided doing so. To misrepresent context or fact amounts to effrontery of the insultingly impudent kind for doing so assumes that well informed members in one's listening audience, but who are not direct parties to the details of the matter one remarks upon, are too damn stupid to discern and/or deduce that one has misrepresented one or more aspects of the matter in question.
    • Don't want to disclose something --> Just say something akin to, "I am not going to discuss that," and be done.
    • Want to disclose the matter in brief --> Just something akin to, "This is what I will share and that's it, but I won't discuss it further," and be done. (See #3, above.)

      The example I offered in post #27 is an example of such a statement.

      "The First Lady will be in the hospital. To preserve the First Lady's right to privacy and because she's not a public official, no further details will be disclosed. The First Lady would like to thank everyone for their thoughts and prayers for her speedy recovery."
    • Want to disclose the matter --> Share complete and accurate information that doesn't leave any unanswered questions re: context or fact.
  6. What drives one's proclivity to be direct, completely accurate and honest? In my ~60 years of living:
    • the extent to which one is a person of fine character, particularly having a strong sense of and highly valuing honesty and integrity,
    • one's wanting to waste brain cells remembering the stuff one said that wasn't contextually and factually accurate, and/or
    • one's disdain for having to "bob and weave" (aka, "spin") when one gets caught having misrepresented the truth.

I can speak about neither the America in which others were raised nor the values with which others have been inculcated by their faith, but the ones with which I was imbued include things like the Boy Scout Oath, "Captain America," the seven cardinal virtues, the Golden Rule, George Washington and the cherry tree, and so on. It saddens and chagrins me to see that folks who've risen to the pinnacle of American culture, government, wealth, and society consistently comport themselves antithetically to many or most of those values. It's a damn shame and nothing to be proud of.​
 
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