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Melania Trump undergoes kidney surgery at Walter Reed medical center

JANFU said:
Really you have to, nothing can stop you from bringing politics into this.
What a sad life.
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You don't seem to mind the other posts in this thread bringing politics into it...lol
 
Sam_Troy said:
My daughter had stage 2 renal cell carcinoma last year (cured with surgery). I will go out on a limb and guess she had a benign tumor called an oncocytoma. Prayers for a good pathology and recovery.
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I just heard an update. They say she underwent an embolization to treat a "benign kidney condition."

Renal artery embolization is a procedure primarily performed by interventional radiologists that can be utilized for treatment of renal tumors, both malignant and benign. It has many applications, including pretreatment of renal cell carcinomas prior to planned resection to decrease hemorrhagic complications intraoperatively, treatment of malignant renal tumor in patients who are not deemed suitable surgical candidates, as well as treatment of benign renal tumors and their potential hemorrhagic complications. There are many different techniques. (Source)

Renal artery embolization (RAE) is an effective minimally invasive alternative procedure for the treatment of a variety of conditions. (Source)​

I'm still sitting here wondering:
  • Why, if the condition is so benign, why not tell us what the specific condition is that militated for the procedure?
  • RAE is typically an outpatient procedure, particularly with healthy people, yet Mrs. Trump will be hospitalized for a whole week. [Maybe she just wants to be away from Donald? Certainly, unlike "average" Americans, she can afford to pay for that. LOL. (I don't actually think she'd opt to be in hospital for that reason...The Trumps have plenty of homes she can visit to achieve that end.)]

There is also a genre of renal embolization called "chemoembolization."


At the end of the day, I feel as though if one, she, wants to keep private the details, fine. Just say something simple and direct like, "The First Lady will be in the hospital. To preserve the First Lady's right to privacy and because she's not a public official, no further details will be disclosed. The First Lady would like to thank everyone for their thoughts and prayers for her speedy recovery." Mature people can understand and handle that, many perhaps can even relate to it. On the other hand, if one is going to disclose, then whatever one discloses needs to be complete and accurate.
 
JANFU said:
Really you have to, nothing can stop you from bringing politics into this.
What a sad life.
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i responded to a user who brought donald trump into this. i notice you didnt get on them for bringing politics into the discussion.
 
biglawnmower said:
i responded to a user who brought donald trump into this. i notice you didnt get on them for bringing politics into the discussion.
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Trump is fair game, she and other First Ladies are not.
 
JANFU said:
Trump is fair game, she and other First Ladies are not.
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cite that rule. now youre just trying to derail. i was responding to another user who brought POLITICS into a thread about the great first lady undergoing surgery.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yeah, there's definitely a certain upper-crust 'je nes c'est qua' to the lesbian porn she made.
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ah. i knew the sexists would come out to attack the first lady. the radical liberals love to shut a woman down especially when she's ill.

classic.
 
JANFU said:
Trump is fair game, she and other First Ladies are not.
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Who said you get to make the rules for all posters?

Actually, the thread is about Melania and not her husband or any other first lady...

Godspeed her recovery! I hope she is not in any pain, and resting comfortably
 
biglawnmower said:
ah. i knew the sexists would come out to attack the first lady. the radical liberals love to shut a woman down especially when she's ill.

classic.
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Yawn. How is it 'sexist' to reference factual information from her past? How was what I posted an 'attack'?

Marxists like you seem to confuse easily.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yawn. How is it 'sexist' to reference factual information from her past? How was what I posted an 'attack'?

Marxists like you seem to confuse easily.
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however you want to justify your hatred is between you and yourself.

you bring up porn while the first lady is undergoing a serious medical procedure.

lol and i bet you claim to be tolerant
 
i hope that her recovery goes smoothly.
 
biglawnmower said:
however you want to justify your hatred is between you and yourself.

you bring up porn while the first lady is undergoing a serious medical procedure.

lol and i bet you claim to be tolerant
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What hatred? I responded to the absurd claim about her having 'class'.

This clearly seems to have upset you.

Oh, well.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
The statement actually reads, "This morning, First Lady Melania Trump underwent an embolization procedure to treat a benign kidney condition."
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Yes. About five minutes after I heard the first report, I heard the updated disclosure statement. What you note is what the update indicates.


MateoMtnClimber said:
The condition was benign, not the surgery. Also, to remove the future source of an embolism would definitely require general anesthesia and invasive surgical techniques. The First Lady is also supposed to be in the hospital for the rest of the week, which suggests to me that it was a pretty serious procedure. I've had a few fairly intensive surgeries (several hours long) and always went home the same day.

.... General anesthesia is no joke. ...
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I don't know that she was treated to remove a "future source of an embolism." I would think that could be handled medically.

She was given an renal embolization of some sort (there are several kinds of them). That procedure deliberately denies blood to a mass in a kidney.

At the time I mentioned general anesthesia, I didn't know of the updated statement about the procedure's specific nature. I had assumed that she was given general anesthesia because the initial report indicated she'd be held in the hospital for the whole week.

Anecdotal experience for why I made the assumption I did:
I was put under "general" when I had my gallbladder removed, and the doctor wanted to keep me for two or three days after it. I asked them why, and they said for monitoring. I asked them did they have any reason to think something was amiss or that I was at risk. They said, "No," so I discharged myself, which they were okay with provided I waited 24 hours before doing so, and recuperated at home.

For the 36 hours I was at home, I would have rather had the dilaudid drip they gave me at the hospital, but I made do with the Perco-whatevers they gave me. Otherwise, I was far happier to be at home in my own bedroom, friends and family calling on me and decorating my home with flowers and plants, binge nap-watching stuff I'd DVR'd, eating my cook's much-tastier-than-hospital food, etc.​

MateoMtnClimber said:
I will say that I found it odd that Mrs. Trump's office released a statement after she was in recovery. ...It seems like a brief press statement this morning followed by, "Please wish the First Lady a safe and successful operation. We'll have more details for you later," would have been customary or at least prudent.
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As I noted in post #27, I think they should either said nothing about the nature of her specific condition and treatment, or they should have issued a precise and specific statement that didn't leave people wondering anything other than "how's she doing." Either one is fine with me, for Mrs. Trump, though a public personality, is, unlike her spouse, under no obligation to disclose her health status to the American people. There're no national security, public policy or succession implications to whatever be her health or lack thereof.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
There has been a lot of chatter in this forum lately about how any criticism of the president is a symptom of hatred toward him or "TDS" or any variation of those things. So, while I won't be complimenting him for anything, I do wish the First Lady a full and speedy recovery from this surprise (to the public) surgery.

"'This morning, first lady Melania Trump underwent an embolization procedure to treat a benign kidney condition. The procedure was successful, and there were no complications,' the first lady's communications director, Stephanie Grisham, said in a statement."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/14/politics/melania-trump-surgery/index.html
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Good news!
 
biglawnmower said:
cite that rule. now youre just trying to derail. i was responding to another user who brought POLITICS into a thread about the great first lady undergoing surgery.
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No big rule. Just plain old courtesy,
 
trixare4kids said:
Who said you get to make the rules for all posters?

Actually, the thread is about Melania and not her husband or any other first lady...

Godspeed her recovery! I hope she is not in any pain, and resting comfortably
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I make my rules for myself and try to stick to them.
 
JANFU said:
No big rule. Just plain old courtesy,
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i have yet to see you condemn the posters on this thread mocking her. and if you say "i dont see anyone mocking her" then "slightly liberal" translates to "extremist".

ill wait for you to comment on their posts ensuring that they too cannot speak ill of first ladies...as you claim is off limits.
 
Important distinction: Melania Trump, per what I've heard so far, underwent a procedure, not a surgery.


While the terms “surgery” and “procedure” are often used interchangeably in everyday speech, they do not actually mean the same thing. The key difference between a surgery and a procedure is the need for an incision. Making an incision, or cutting into the skin to gain access to the body’s deeper tissues or organs, is a defining characteristic of surgery. If a medical outcome is reached without making a break to the skin, then surgery has not usually been performed.

Confusion often arises concerning the difference between a surgery and a procedure because the two are closely related. Technically speaking, a surgery is a specific type of procedure. A procedure is a broad general term that refers to any series of pre-defined steps that should be followed to achieve a desired result. Therefore, a “surgical procedure” is synonymous with a “surgery.” For the sake of clarity, procedures that do not fall under the classification of surgery are sometimes referred to as “non-surgical procedures.”

While the technical definitions continue to hold true for the most part, the traditional lines separating a surgery and a procedure are beginning to blur somewhat in the face of continuing technological advances. With developments in modern surgical tools, smaller and smaller incisions are needed for many surgeries. Minimally invasive surgeries done with laparoscopes, for instance, call for much smaller incisions than their more invasive alternatives. Smaller incisions lead to faster recovery times and also decrease the risk of infection. These changes require many people to readjust their mental concepts surrounding what a surgery and a procedure are; some might expect surgeries to have longer recovery times than procedures, but that assumption is not always correct. (Source)​
 
JANFU said:
I make my rules for myself and try to stick to them.
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IF that's all you were saying, then okay.
Your comment did not come across to me like that tbh.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
There has been a lot of chatter in this forum lately about how any criticism of the president is a symptom of hatred toward him or "TDS" or any variation of those things. So, while I won't be complimenting him for anything, I do wish the First Lady a full and speedy recovery from this surprise (to the public) surgery.

"'This morning, first lady Melania Trump underwent an embolization procedure to treat a benign kidney condition. The procedure was successful, and there were no complications,' the first lady's communications director, Stephanie Grisham, said in a statement."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/14/politics/melania-trump-surgery/index.html
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I prefer first ladies who don't need surgery.
 
biglawnmower said:
ah. i knew the sexists would come out to attack the first lady. the radical liberals love to shut a woman down especially when she's ill.

classic.
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Speaking of, when are you going to explain why you attacked Michelle Obama, unprompted, in a thread about Melania Trump's health?
 
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