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Exclusive: Mueller's team questions Russian oligarch about payments to Cohen

Top Cat said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/08/poli...an-oligarch-payments-michael-cohen/index.html

Surely there is a perfectly logical explanation for this little coninkydinky.
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Lets just get this out of the way now:

But...but...Hillary

Fake news !!

If this report is true, my oh my, that is allot of smoke, maybe its a witch being burned at the stake.

This entire thing reeks of wrong doing, and is HIGHLY suspicious. To not investigate would be negligent in due diligence on the American peoples part.
 
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PoliSciXtina said:
The trumpets will explain it away, like they usually do. But the rest of us can see the writing on the wall.


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No offense to the visually impaired, but a blind man could see the writing on the wall.
 
yankintx said:
Lets just get this out of the way now:

But...but...Hillary

Fake news !!

If this report is true, my oh my, that is allot of smoke, maybe its a witch being burned at the stake.

This entire thing reeks of wrong doing, and is HIGHLY suspicious. To not investigate would be negligent in due diligence on the American peoples part.
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I'm sure Mueller is 10 steps ahead of this.


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JoeTrumps said:
it was all worth it to discover that some russians had bought some facebook ads during the campaign. That could have brought the whole country down you know.
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Yeah...those minnows...so dangerous.
 
PoliSciXtina said:
I really want to know how you seem to be so sure of what's going on behind closed doors of a top secret federal investigation. The truth is, no one knows a thing about it. I find it comical you and many on this board are so sure you know what Mueller has found. You do realize that investigators would not release information of an ongoing investigation, correct? You do know that it takes time to build a case, correct? Watergate took 2 years before Nixon resigned. Patience. If mueller concludes no wrongdoing, I will believe every truth in that final report. Until then, it's silly and foolish to make assumptions about an ongoing criminal investigation. No one knows a damn thing.


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The longer he takes...the less credible his case.

He's got to land that big fish.
 
JoeTrumps said:
it was all worth it to discover that some russians had bought some facebook ads during the campaign. That could have brought the whole country down you know.
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The desperation from the right to hand wave this away is laughable, and borders on pathological obedience to the Liar in Chief. Almost all politicians have faults, and a few skeletons, but Trumps closet seems larger than Imelda's shoe wardrobe. Keep digging Mr Mueller, the American people have hired you to do a job.
 
Mycroft said:
The longer he takes...the less credible his case.

He's got to land that big fish.
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I'm not sure how the length of the investigation would determine what the outcome is. Again, you're not the investigator, so you know just as much as I do- which is nothing. I sure hope you know what you're talking about, because if not, you're going to look pretty foolish.


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Re: Cohen payments linked to Russian oligarch

Conservative said:
Awesome, tabloid politics on full display, while you people attack Trump on his personality and the past while I celebrate his results and the new taxpayers, surplus in April WITH TAX CUTS, and improving economic growth. think the American electorate gives a damn now about your wild claims of Russian interference? No, they are happy with more spendable income, part time employment going to full time employment and 3 million new jobs. Keep those tabloid politics going while Americans care about economic and foreign policy results.
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The tax cuts benefited the little guy ONLY in a small decrease in withholding deduction in his paycheck, quickly paid out for increasingly expensive fuel. April 2019 annual tax filings
for the initial year covered by the tax cut bill will be a test of the reaction of average Americans. If however, your latest Trump promotion is about some BS related to the federal revenue
stream, please consider reality.....some of which we can actually see! Last fiscal year the national debt increased $56 billion per month, this fiscal year the debt is increasing an average $112 billion per
month during the first seven months. These are the numbers of the only scoring that matters, this is where the rubber meets the road.:

https://treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/...tYear=2016&endMonth=09&endDay=30&endYear=2016
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https://treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/...tYear=2017&endMonth=09&endDay=29&endYear=2017
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PoliSciXtina said:
I'm not sure how the length of the investigation would determine what the outcome is. Again, you're not the investigator, so you know just as much as I do- which is nothing. I sure hope you know what you're talking about, because if not, you're going to look pretty foolish.


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Every day there are more and more calls for him to wrap things up...for him to stop fishing and show us what he's caught. As we get closer to the 2018 elections, those calls will increase. This whole witch hunt is too much of a political liability for both sides.

He has judges pushing back at him. He has the entire basis for his investigation falling apart thanks to the DOJ OIG, Congressional investigations and coming criminal indictments. And he still can't get that one big fish to bite.

Pretty soon, he'll have to call it a day, pack it all in...and head home.
 
Mycroft said:
Every day there are more and more calls for him to wrap things up...for him to stop fishing and show us what he's caught. As we get closer to the 2018 elections, those calls will increase. This whole witch hunt is too much of a political liability for both sides.

He has judges pushing back at him. He has the entire basis for his investigation falling apart thanks to the DOJ OIG, Congressional investigations and coming criminal indictments. And he still can't get that one big fish to bite.

Pretty soon, he'll have to call it a day, pack it all in...and head home.
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49 fishing/perjury trap questions for the President of the United States was the last straw for many I think.
 
Mycroft said:
Every day there are more and more calls for him to wrap things up...for him to stop fishing and show us what he's caught. As we get closer to the 2018 elections, those calls will increase. This whole witch hunt is too much of a political liability for both sides.

He has judges pushing back at him. He has the entire basis for his investigation falling apart thanks to the DOJ OIG, Congressional investigations and coming criminal indictments. And he still can't get that one big fish to bite.

Pretty soon, he'll have to call it a day, pack it all in...and head home.
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Sorry that's not how investigations work. You can't just make an investigator "wrap things up". Building cases takes however many witnesses, testimonies, interviews, subpoenas, etc, which takes an unknown amount of minutes, hours, days. it's not something a prosecutor can just wrap up. He's only been investigating for one year. Isn't he still negotiating a sit down with Trump? He'll continue to investigate regardless of the noise coming from the outside. Rosenstein had also repeatedly stated that he's happy with Mueller and he sees no reason to disrupt his work. If that changes, and if Rosenstein changes his mind, awesome. For now, Mueller is still working. Patience is a virtue.


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Top Cat said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/08/poli...an-oligarch-payments-michael-cohen/index.html

Surely there is a perfectly logical explanation for this little coninkydinky.
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I sat on this story in order for something for more tangible to come by. Well, that tangible thing appears to be here, and so without further ado...

Michael Cohen once reportedly bragged that he was part of the Russian mob

Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's embattled personal lawyer, once bragged that he was part of the Russian mob, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Cohen is currently in the midst of a legal firestorm as the FBI investigates him for possible wire fraud, bank fraud, and campaign finance violations in connection to his work for Trump.

Cohen is also a subject of interest in the special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, which is examining whether the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the 2016 US election in Trump's favor.

According to The Journal, Cohen once told someone at a former friend's wedding that he belonged to the Russian mob. The former friend, Gregory Ehrlich, said he does not believe Cohen has any such ties.
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Michael Cohen bragged that he was part of the Russian mob: report - Business Insider
 
Mach said:
That's how we roll Mycroft Catch a minnow, bait the minnow, and catch a bigger fish. Oops!

It's two large scale criminal investigations, one involving the FBI and counter-intelligence against a foreign adversary, and one that appears to be turning the President's fixer's world upside down. You can call it fishing if it helps you sleep at night I suppose. Maybe when more than just the Dutch Lawyer heads off to jail, you can refer to that as "camping out".
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But but... HILLARY>.
 
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Conservative said:
Why is Russia important to you? The election is long gone and people care about jobs and economic growth. Are Democrats the only ones allowed to engage in propaganda?

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Russia is a global threat to American interests on a geopolitical level. The right used to understand this. Unfortunately, they've moved on to "Putin is our friend and we love him so." There's another ongoing thread where folks on the right are actually defending his actions.

You should try reading the news about him. Interesting stuff. Now we have evidence that he funded Trump's porn star payoff...should be interesting to anyone with half a brain and any respect for "civics," but you're too into Trumpland that you can't be saved.

Noticed that you still have Bush in your profile. Trump isn't a big fan. You should change it before they start calling you a RINO.
 
As the rope around Trumps neck begins to tighten.
 
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Conservative said:
I have been retired for 14 years, spent 35 years in the private sector and took civics in high school. I have seen no evidence of you or anyone else of your ideology with the same experience or background

I do notice that actual results aren't of interest to you but 3 million more people are employed thus NEW taxpayers, and almost 1 million part time employees are now working full time so tell those people Trump's economic policies aren't working?
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Experience should make one wiser.

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Daniels' lawyer: Cohen got $500K from Russian oligarch Viktor ...
https://www.nbcnews.com/.../daniels-lawyer-cohen-got-500k-russian-oligarch-viktor-...
5 hours ago - ... and Korea Aerospace deposited money in Michael Cohen's account. ... by Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg and Vekselberg's cousin ...

Firm Tied to Russian Oligarch Made Payments to Michael Cohen - The ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/us/.../michael-cohen-shell-company-payments.htm...
4 hours ago - The shell company Mr. Cohen used to pay Stormy Daniels later ... and Mr. Vekselberg's cousin, donated $250,000 to Mr. Trump's inauguration, ...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ripaska/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0d4b63acf94c
Manafort’s Russia connection: What you need to know about Oleg Deripaska
By Andrew Roth September 24, 2017
...former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort allegedly offered to provide Deripaska, 49, with personal briefings about the 2016 presidential election less than two weeks before Trump accepted the Republican nomination. The emailed offer, said to have been sent to a Russian colleague of Manafort's, is among tens of thousands of documents that have been turned over to investigators looking into possible collusion between Trump associates and Russia as part of an effort by the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election....
....Deripaska, now worth about $6.5 billion, according to Forbes, has always stayed close to power. He married the daughter of Yeltsin's chief of staff, part of "the family," the coterie of influential advisers around Yeltsin. Under Putin, he survived near-bankruptcy to later invest more than $1 billion in Putin's pet project, the 2014 Sochi Olympics. ...
.....before buying a stake in a Siberian aluminum smelter, which eventually grew into the Sibirsky Aluminium Group. The group, now called Basic Element, owns a 47 percent stake in Rusal, one of the largest aluminum-producing companies in the world, along with the hydroelectric power producer
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Vekselberg#Career
Viktor Vekselberg
...Career
In 1988, after the Gorbachev administration relaxed restrictions on private business as part of his new policy Perestroika and Glasnost, he founded NPO Komvek which did work for the Irkutsk Aluminum Plant[9] and in 1990, he co-founded Renova Group with college classmate,[9] Leonard Blavatnik.[11] KomVek owned 67% of Renova and Blavatnik’s company Access Industries owned the remainder.[11] He benefited financially from the privatization of the aluminum industry in Russia under the Yeltsin administration in 1993.[9] In 1996, he co-founded the Siberian-Urals Aluminium Company (SUAL) via a merger of the Ural and Irkutsk Aluminum Plants.[11] (SUAL would later be incorporated into United Company RUSAL, the largest aluminum company in the world).....Vekselberg is now[when?] overseeing a vast restructuring of his assets: the division of property with the partner Leonard Blavatnik, the merger of Renova's aluminum assets with those of Oleg Deripaska, and the integration of various electricity and telecommunications investment....
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Bucky said:
Impeach him then. I doubt the democrats have the grapefruits to do so. Even their leader said thats not on the agenda.
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Cocaine Mitch would get in the way.

Btw, the guy who coined that lost tonight. Bad news for Trumpies.
 
Mycroft said:
Every day there are more and more calls for him to wrap things up...for him to stop fishing and show us what he's caught. As we get closer to the 2018 elections, those calls will increase. This whole witch hunt is too much of a political liability for both sides.

He has judges pushing back at him. He has the entire basis for his investigation falling apart thanks to the DOJ OIG, Congressional investigations and coming criminal indictments. And he still can't get that one big fish to bite.

Pretty soon, he'll have to call it a day, pack it all in...and head home.
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More and more calls from...???
 
Cohen is paid by a known cronie of Putin and still people are claiming the Russia investigation is a witch hunt lol. Vekselberg was also the biggest shareholder of Bank of Cyprus while Wilbur Ross was the Vice Chairman until he resigned when he joined the administration. Deripaska was also involved in the Bank of Cyprus and him and Vekselberg are close. Vekselberg has a large ownership stake in Deripaska’s aluminum firm. Deripaska is the oligarch that Manafort was allegedly funneling campaign intel to and who had a secret meeting on his yacht with a Russian government official, where they were secretly filmed discussing the election. Manafort also wrote in his notes acknowledging payments made by Russian-Americans in charge of the US division of Vekselberg’s firm to the RNC and Trump Campaign.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Cohen is paid by a known cronie of Putin and still people are claiming the Russia investigation is a witch hunt lol. Vekselberg was also the biggest shareholder of Bank of Cyprus while Wilbur Ross was the Vice Chairman until he resigned when he joined the administration. Deripaska was also involved in the Bank of Cyprus and him and Vekselberg are close. Vekselberg has a large ownership stake in Deripaska’s aluminum firm. Deripaska is the oligarch that Manafort was allegedly funneling campaign intel to and who had a secret meeting on his yacht with a Russian government official, where they were secretly filmed discussing the election. Manafort also wrote in his notes acknowledging payments made by Russian-Americans in charge of the US division of Vekselberg’s firm to the RNC and Trump Campaign.
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No collusion, no collusion, witch hunt! witch hunt!
Viktor Vekselberg, Russian Billionaire, Was Questioned by Mueller's ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/politics/viktor-vekselberg-mueller-investigation.html
4 days ago - Around the same time that Mr. Vekselberg was investing in the bank, Mr. Trump's future commerce secretary, Wilbur L. Ross, was its vice ...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusal#Predecessor_companies_1991_–_2000
Rusal
Key people
Oleg Deripaska (CEO)
Matthias Warnig(Chairman)
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United Company RUSAL (Russian: ОК РУСАЛ, translit. OK RUSAL) is the world's second largest aluminium company by primary production output (as of 2016).[3][4] It was the largest until overtaken by China Hongqiao Group in 2015.[5][6] UC RUSAL accounts for almost 9% of the world's primary aluminium output and 9% of the world's alumina production.

The United Company was formed by the merger of RUSAL (Russkiy alyuminiy) (Russian: Русский алюминий), SUAL, and the alumina assets of Glencore, completed in March 2007. ..
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Vekselberg

Viktor Vekselberg
Born 14 April 1957 (age 61)
Drohobych, Ukrainian SSR
Citizenship Ukraine
Russia
Cyprus
Alma mater Moscow Transportation Engineering Institute
Occupation Owner of Renova Group
Net worth Decrease US$13.6 billion (Aug 2015)[1]
Awards
Orden for Service IV.png Order "For Merit to the Fatherland" (4th class)
Order of Alexander Nevsky 2010 ribbon.svg Order of Alexander Nevsky
Website vekselberg.org
Viktor Felixovich Vekselberg (Russian: Виктор Феликсович Вексельберг, Ukrainian: Віктор Феліксович Вексельберг; born 14 April 1957) is a Ukrainian-born Russian businessman. He is the owner and president of Renova Group, a large Russian conglomerate. According to Forbes, his fortune is estimated at $13.6 billion, making him the fourth richest person in Russia, as of August 4, 2015.[1]

Vekselberg is close to the Moscow Kremlin,[2][3] overseeing projects to modernize the Russian economy.[4] Vekselberg is also a longtime business partner of British-American billionaire Leonard Blavatnik, who is close to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu[5] and donated $1 million to the committee for the inauguration of Donald Trump.[6] In April 2018, the United States imposed sanctions on him and 23 other Russian nationals..
...Career..
...He benefited financially from the privatization of the aluminum industry in Russia under the Yeltsin administration in 1993.[9] In 1996, he co-founded the Siberian-Urals Aluminium Company (SUAL) via a merger of the Ural and Irkutsk Aluminum Plants.[11] (SUAL would later be incorporated into United Company RUSAL, the largest aluminum company in the world). Using revenues generated from his aluminum business, he purchased a minority interest in Tyumen Oil (TNK), one of Russia's largest oil and gas companies.[10][12] In 1997,...
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https://www.motherjones.com/politic...chs-top-us-executive-donated-285000-to-trump/
A Putin-Friendly Oligarch’s Top US Executive Donated $285,000 to Trump
The head of Viktor Vekselberg’s American subsidiary helped finance Trump’s inauguration.
DAVID CORN AND DAN FRIEDMAN AUG. 17, 2017

...Andrew Intrater donated $250,000 to Trump’s inauguration fund. Intrater is the CEO of Columbus Nova, the lone American subsidiary of Renova Group, a giant holding company owned by oligarch Viktor Vekselberg...
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PoliSciXtina said:
Sorry that's not how investigations work. You can't just make an investigator "wrap things up". Building cases takes however many witnesses, testimonies, interviews, subpoenas, etc, which takes an unknown amount of minutes, hours, days. it's not something a prosecutor can just wrap up. He's only been investigating for one year. Isn't he still negotiating a sit down with Trump? He'll continue to investigate regardless of the noise coming from the outside. Rosenstein had also repeatedly stated that he's happy with Mueller and he sees no reason to disrupt his work. If that changes, and if Rosenstein changes his mind, awesome. For now, Mueller is still working. Patience is a virtue.


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LOL!!

Oh, believe me, politics started this investigation. Politics can end this investigation.
 
Mycroft said:
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... I see he is fishing in your river, the d' Nile.

Sorry, there is so much smoke at this point that only the fools, the willfully ignorant and the disingenuous can continue to suggest that its a witch hunt.

We are well past the stage the "politics can end the investigation".... there is just too much black smoke polluting the American political air.

JoeTrumps said:
it was all worth it to discover that some russians had bought some facebook ads during the campaign. That could have brought the whole country down you know.
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You really need to keep up....
 
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Re: Cohen payments linked to Russian oligarch

Conservative said:
Part time jobs is what Obama created, record numbers skewing the data. Prove me wrong
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It's just too easy:

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