Trump winning over Democrats with his handling of key issues, CNN poll finds

Vern said:

poor OC, there is evidence of Russian collusion. I cant tell if you're truly ignorant of all the facts that have come out or just dishonest. But in case you're just ignorant let me get you up to speed. numerous trump campaign officials and relatives met with the Russians and then lied about it. There is currently an investigation into collusion and obstruction (don't forget about that) started by republicans and being run by republicans. think of all the things you just knew President Obama or Hillary were "guilty of" only based on what proven liars told you. so pardon my chuckles at your new magical standards.


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Meeting with counterparts from another country doesn't constitute collusion, it constitutes beginning diplomacy. The magical standard is believing something nefarious is going on when every other administration meets with other government officials during the transition phases to try to figure out what their early foreign policy/diplomatic win will be.

OpportunityCost said:

Meeting with counterparts from another country doesn't constitute collusion, it constitutes beginning diplomacy. The magical standard is believing something nefarious is going on when every other administration meets with other government officials during the transition phases to try to figure out what their early foreign policy/diplomatic win will be.

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OC, you whining at the evidence of collusion and obstruction doesn't make the possibility of collusion and obstruction a lie. And like all conservative (and conservative like posters) you're leaving out facts that upset your obedient narrative. Start your obedient narrative like this

Meeting with counterparts from another country and lying about it doesn't constitute collusion, it constitutes beginning diplomacy...….

And don't forget Trump dictating the lie for Trump jr's meeting with the Russians and then mention that there is an investigation into collusion and obstruction started by republicans and run by a republican. So OC, you've posted nothing to justify calling the possibility of collusion and obstruction a lie. You don't have to believe it's true but "nuh uh" doesn't make it a lie. Oh and OC, as a conservative (or conservative like poster) you are probably unaware of that Papadopolous told the Austrailian diplomat about the hacked emails before they came out.

After downing a few drinks, Papadopoulos is said to have told Downer about the hacked emails. Two months later, when the emails began appearing online via WikiLeaks, Australian officials relayed the information about Papadopoulos's remarks in London to their American counterparts, the Times reported, citing four current and former U.S. officials.

Papadopoulos Told Diplomat About Russia's Clinton Campaign Emails Hack, Australian Newspaper Confirms

So OC, you just cant call it a lie and a "witch hunt." And we are now at the point where you need to decide between integrity and narrative.

leekohler2 said:

Hahahaha! Did you read the CNN article that's sourced? I'm just trying to figure out how you see anything great in those numbers. 26% of Democrats approve of Trump's handling of the economy. Why, that's absolutely incredibly great! Everyone sure does love Trump!

Wow. :roll:

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Since by every measure the economy is doing very well, on what basis other than irrational Trump hatred can democrats disapprove of Trumps handling of the economy? What this poll shows is that only 26% of democrats are unaffected by TDS.

Fletch said:

Since by every measure the economy is doing very well, on what basis other than irrational Trump hatred can democrats disapprove of Trumps handling of the economy? What this poll shows is that only 26% of democrats are unaffected by TDS.

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Well Fletch, I can say he's not handling the economy well on the basis of ballooning the deficit so corporations can make more money. The purpose of those deficits are to "increase jobs" when UE is at 20 year lows. I just don't see that as good policy. And oddly conservatives were pretty angry about the massive trillion dollar Bush Deficits (yea, they have a name) that President Obama inherited but are perfectly fine with deficits when a republican balloons them. Anyhoo, deficits for no real reason surely has to be a "bad policy" to you, right?

zimmer said:

I think Democrats should focus more on Russian Collusion.

Impeachment.

Raising taxes.

It’s doing wonders.

Such Master Strategeristas.

LOL... Trump-Democrats... ROTFLOL...

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So true! Maxine and Bernie are doing an excellent job of relating the message of the Democrat Party perfectly!

They are absolutely opposed to improving everything. They are absolutely in favor of creating misery that they can maintain.

As people get jobs and better jobs and more money and a better life, they might start to wonder what these Communists are talking about and why they can't shut up.

The greatest injustice in this country is spreading the idea that anyone who is able bodied in the US can't work and get themselves into a better situation.

Personal improvement is the real American Dream. In almost all cases, when I have discovered who the person was that stopping me from achieving anything, that person was me.

Kal'Stang said:

The whole "fine people" argument comes from Trump talking about what happened in Charllottesvile(sp?). A statement taking out of context.

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Sorry Kal, "there are fine people on both sides" is Trump trying to downplay the racism of the right. There’s nothing “out of context” about that. And Kal, the racists were ecstatic over Trump's "praise".

As for the hypocrisy...there is none. You literally got upset at me for comparing the KKK and Democrats the way that I did in a completely separate thread. Saying it was "rather vile". And yet you have proclaimed conservatives/Republicans as racist in other posts. That is hypocrisy.

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Kal, it was this thread so who knows what point you are trying to make.

Kal'Stang said:

Huh...you sound like the KKK when Obama was President. What's it like to have something in common with them?

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And your hypocrisy is you got mad at me using "you and yours". You're just using "you" when you post "yet you have proclaimed conservatives/Republicans as racist in other posts." I think you're imagining something I didn't post. I didn't imagine conservatives (and conservative like posters) believing the non stop lies from the right in large percentages if not a majority. I think this discussion pretty much sums up my beliefs concerning racism from conservatives (and conservative like posters)

countryboy said:

So you think it's perfectly okay to accuse conservatives of being racists for criticizing B.O. Why am I not surprised?

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Vern said:

Legitimate criticism, no of course not. Mindless criticism, eh. Non-stop mindless and false criticism that has some underlying tinge of anger, seems perfectly okay to me.

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or this

Vern said:

I think (Trump) perfectly represents the republican party: no ideas, appealing to racists, wants to balloon deficit with tax cuts for the wealthy, thinks tough talk is foreign policy.

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And Kal, I'm especially proud of that last one. That post is from June 2016. No, I don't have magic powers, I simply don't ignore reality.

Kal'Stang said:

Tell me, is it a legitimate argument to claim that Trump doesn't deserve credit for getting NOKO to the peace table? Despite South Korea saying otherwise, that they're just lying to appease Trump? Is it legitimate to claim that Australia's PM lied about that call early in 2017? Or the call between Trump and Mexico's President with Trump supposedly threatening the Mexican President with US troops? I could give many more examples of the lies told by the left.

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Kal, not agreeing with an opinion (your Korea example) doesn’t make it a lie let alone a vile and disgusting one. As for the other narratives, since I’m unaware of them I think its safe to assume “large percentages if not majorities” of democrats don’t believe them.

did you peruse the Benghazi thread I pointed you to?

Vern said:

OC, you whining at the evidence of collusion and obstruction doesn't make the possibility of collusion and obstruction a lie. And like all conservative (and conservative like posters) you're leaving out facts that upset your obedient narrative. Start your obedient narrative like this



Meeting with counterparts from another country and lying about it doesn't constitute collusion, it constitutes beginning diplomacy...….

And don't forget Trump dictating the lie for Trump jr's meeting with the Russians and then mention that there is an investigation into collusion and obstruction started by republicans and run by a republican. So OC, you've posted nothing to justify calling the possibility of collusion and obstruction a lie. You don't have to believe it's true but "nuh uh" doesn't make it a lie. Oh and OC, as a conservative (or conservative like poster) you are probably unaware of that Papadopolous told the Austrailian diplomat about the hacked emails before they came out.

After downing a few drinks, Papadopoulos is said to have told Downer about the hacked emails. Two months later, when the emails began appearing online via WikiLeaks, Australian officials relayed the information about Papadopoulos's remarks in London to their American counterparts, the Times reported, citing four current and former U.S. officials.

Papadopoulos Told Diplomat About Russia's Clinton Campaign Emails Hack, Australian Newspaper Confirms

So OC, you just cant call it a lie and a "witch hunt." And we are now at the point where you need to decide between integrity and narrative.

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Vern, you need to quit leading with slavery references, its demeaning, stupid and insulting. Quit posting stupid ****.

Learn how to have a ****ing conversation and not political diatribes full of insults and condescension and I will start replying to your inane fantasy bull****. I do not insult you, return the ****ing favor.

zimmer said:

I think Democrats should focus more on Russian Collusion.

Impeachment.

Raising taxes.

It’s doing wonders.

Such Master Strategeristas.

LOL... Trump-Democrats... ROTFLOL...

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Exactly right, all this matters to the radical left who still cannot believe they lost an election. All this good economic and foreign policy news is being credited to Obama by the left when the reality is those results are on the Trump Record. Then there is this

African American unemployment 6.6% vs the 7.8% Obama left Trump with

155 million Americans employed today vs. 152 million Obama left us with

7.8% U-6 rate vs. Obama's 9.2% that he left us with and his 13.3% average

Tax cuts putting more money into the pockets of the electorate

and now this PREDICTION of a RED WAVE COMING TO CALIFORNIA, Oh My!! The sky is falling leftists

'People Are Pissed Off': House Candidate Sees 'Red Wave' Coming in California | Fox News Insider

Vern said:

Sorry Kal, "there are fine people on both sides" is Trump trying to downplay the racism of the right. There’s nothing “out of context” about that. And Kal, the racists were ecstatic over Trump's "praise".



Kal, it was this thread so who knows what point you are trying to make.



And your hypocrisy is you got mad at me using "you and yours". You're just using "you" when you post "yet you have proclaimed conservatives/Republicans as racist in other posts." I think you're imagining something I didn't post. I didn't imagine conservatives (and conservative like posters) believing the non stop lies from the right in large percentages if not a majority. I think this discussion pretty much sums up my beliefs concerning racism from conservatives (and conservative like posters)





or this



And Kal, I'm especially proud of that last one. That post is from June 2016. No, I don't have magic powers, I simply don't ignore reality.

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Vern, one more time you distort and downright show what a political hack you are. Post 59 explains why you have zero credibility and always run from the true facts. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you?

Yeah, Trump does the populist talk but doesn't do the populist walk.

For the record, although Trump duped convinced a lot of people into thinking he was not establishment, he's 100% establishment.
Establishment GOP wanted Obamacare repeal; Trump wanted Obamacare repeal.
Establishment GOP wanted tax-cuts for the rich; Trump wanted tax-cuts for the rich
Establishment GOP wanted regulations cut on corporations; Trump wanted regulations cut on corporations
Establishment GOP wanted corporate cronies in high office; Trump appointed corporate cronies to high office

If there is any doubt, just yesterday Trump dropped the popular and populist proposals of his presidential campaign, opting not to have the federal government directly negotiate lower drug prices for Medicare. And he chose not to allow American consumers to import low-cost medicines from abroad.

Trump's recent poll bump is due to his rhetoric, not what he's really doing, which is primarily opposite of what most Americans want.

Fletch said:

Since by every measure the economy is doing very well, on what basis other than irrational Trump hatred can democrats disapprove of Trumps handling of the economy? What this poll shows is that only 26% of democrats are unaffected by TDS.

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The fact that the economy was already doing well without him doing anything at all. But instead, now our national debt is going to be really a lot higher in a time when almost all economists say would be very good for reducing that debt, when we have a good economy. Instead, we are increasing it. This causes a bubble or bad economy to come in the future. It cannot be all about right now.

Fletch said:

Since by every measure the economy is doing very well, on what basis other than irrational Trump hatred can democrats disapprove of Trumps handling of the economy? What this poll shows is that only 26% of democrats are unaffected by TDS.

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While part of the economy is doing well, those Trump voters in Owsley County, Ky., where 84 % of its voters supported Trump in 2016 and more than half the county’s population receives food stamps, aren't making out big because the stock market is only 1,000 points off it's highs.

Do you know what should be influencing Owsley voters? The fact that the guy who they favored by 84% is now reportedly threatened to veto the upcoming farm bill unless it imposes stringent new work requirements on recipients of SNAP -- the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, still commonly referred to as Food Stamps.

It doesn't surprise me at all the guy who inherited great wealth, then built a business career largely around duping the gullible -- whether they were naïve investors in his business ventures left holding the bag when those ventures went bankrupt, or students who wasted time and money on worthless degrees from Trump University, is now making a political career duping the gullible voters who will overwhelmingly be harmed by his actual policies, opposed to his rhetoric.

roguenuke said:

The fact that the economy was already doing well without him doing anything at all. But instead, now our national debt is going to be really a lot higher in a time when almost all economists say would be very good for reducing that debt, when we have a good economy. Instead, we are increasing it. This causes a bubble or bad economy to come in the future. It cannot be all about right now.

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I see. So your argument is that democrats who dont give a **** about deficits dont approve of Trumps handling of the economy because deficits (that they dont care about) may be higher in the future. Like I said, its TDS and nothing more.

MTAtech said:

While part of the economy is doing well, those Trump voters in Owsley County, Ky., where 84 % of its voters supported Trump in 2016 and more than half the county’s population receives food stamps, aren't making out big because the stock market is only 1,000 points off it's highs.

Do you know what should be influencing Owsley voters? The fact that the guy who they favored by 84% is now reportedly threatened to veto the upcoming farm bill unless it imposes stringent new work requirements on recipients of SNAP -- the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, still commonly referred to as Food Stamps.

It doesn't surprise me at all the guy who inherited great wealth, then built a business career largely around duping the gullible -- whether they were naïve investors in his business ventures left holding the bag when those ventures went bankrupt, or students who wasted time and money on worthless degrees from Trump University, is now making a political career duping the gullible voters who will overwhelmingly be harmed by his actual policies, opposed to his rhetoric.

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I know you are aware of this, but your post doesnt address mine in the least. Care to try again? Or can we both just agree that you have no ability to defend the silliness of your own sides position on this.

Fletch said:

I see. So your argument is that democrats who dont give a **** about deficits dont approve of Trumps handling of the economy because deficits (that they dont care about) may be higher in the future. Like I said, its TDS and nothing more.

I know you are aware of this, but your post doesnt address mine in the least. Care to try again? Or can we both just agree that you have no ability to defend the silliness of your own sides position on this.

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What are you talking about? Which Democrats are you addressing as "not caring"? Name them exactly. This isn't an argument, but rather some very strange speculation about an obscure group of "Democrats" who aren't even specified (as if all Democrats have the exact same beliefs, feelings, "****s" given about all issues :roll and how you think I (apparently) think that unspecified group of Democrats (whom again I never even mentioned any such group in my post) thinks about deficits.

Trump just screwed America again yesterday with his 'plan' to cut US prescription prices that spares Big Pharma and avoids price cutting steps.

No need to wonder why pharmaceuticals wire money into Cohen's slush-fund account.

roguenuke said:

The fact that the economy was already doing well without him doing anything at all. But instead, now our national debt is going to be really a lot higher in a time when almost all economists say would be very good for reducing that debt, when we have a good economy. Instead, we are increasing it. This causes a bubble or bad economy to come in the future. It cannot be all about right now.

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yeah, the problem is nobody living in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio will buy the "but the economy was already awesome!" bull****. They live in the real world. and in the real world if the economy is still humming come election time, and our enemies are being dismissed like North Korea, he wins again. and all the lamenting about porn stars and crooked lawyers and locker talk won't mean a single damn thing.

It may not happen. but odds right now say it will. so get ready.

JoeTrumps said:

yeah, the problem is nobody living in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio will buy the "but the economy was already awesome!" bull****. They live in the real world. and in the real world if the economy is still humming come election time, and our enemies are being dismissed like North Korea, he wins again. and all the lamenting about porn stars and crooked lawyers locker talk won't mean a single damn thing.

It may not happen. but odds right now say it will. so get ready.

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In a few words we have heard before, its the economy.

OpportunityCost said:

In a few words we have heard before, its the economy.

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yes. If the economy starts sputtering Trump may have some problems. Other than that(or some foreign war starting out of nowhere) I don't see how loses in 2020. add in the weak candidates the Democrats have set to run, and it baffles me how confident some of the liberals are around here.

CLAX1911 said:

So is everything in that paper wrong because it has a lean that is right of yours?

Way to show intellectual integrity.

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Considering that some won't accept CNN...

JoeTrumps said:

yeah, the problem is nobody living in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio will buy the "but the economy was already awesome!" bull****. They live in the real world. and in the real world if the economy is still humming come election time, and our enemies are being dismissed like North Korea, he wins again. and all the lamenting about porn stars and crooked lawyers and locker talk won't mean a single damn thing.

It may not happen. but odds right now say it will. so get ready.

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The economy was doing well, not awesome. And it should not be screaming up. The real world is that not everyone is going to do well. There are still plenty of places that are still doing bad. And increases in those areas have little to do with Trump, regardless of how much some want to present it as such. It is an excuse.

Why would you dismiss North Korea? They are getting what they want, recognition. And most of the peace is due to others, not Trump. Trump is taking credit for crap he had little to do with at all.

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The economy was doing well, not awesome. And it should not be screaming up. The real world is that not everyone is going to do well. There are still plenty of places that are still doing bad. And increases in those areas have little to do with Trump, regardless of how much some want to present it as such. It is an excuse.

Why would you dismiss North Korea? They are getting what they want, recognition. And most of the peace is due to others, not Trump. Trump is taking credit for crap he had little to do with at all.

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yeah, like Obama didn't put the bullet in Bin Laden's head, but I'm sure you can't wait to give him all the credit for that. The South Korean government leaders are saying if this goes well Trump should get a Nobel Prize. but you don't think he deserves any credit.

Is that the mangled logic you are going with?

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Considering that some won't accept CNN...

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Accept CNN in what way?

JoeTrumps said:

yeah, like Obama didn't put the bullet in Bin Laden's head, but I'm sure you can't wait to give him all the credit for that. The South Korean government leaders are saying if this goes well Trump should get a Nobel Prize. but you don't think he deserves any credit.

Is that the mangled logic you are going with?

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What? Again, not a big Obama fan but see Trump as far worse. The SEALS are responsible for Bin Laden. The S. Korean government is being humble. The rest of the world knows what led to this. And it isn't they who put up Trump (late) for that Nobel Prize (prematurely as well). No, he does not deserve this credit. The actual leaders involved do. The S. Korean leader deserves that Nobel Peace Prize, not Donald Trump. Hopefully, he (Moon Jae-In) will get the Prize he deserves should this actually result in positive results.

roguenuke said:

What are you talking about? Which Democrats are you addressing as "not caring"? Name them exactly. This isn't an argument, but rather some very strange speculation about an obscure group of "Democrats" who aren't even specified (as if all Democrats have the exact same beliefs, feelings, "****s" given about all issues :roll and how you think I (apparently) think that unspecified group of Democrats (whom again I never even mentioned any such group in my post) thinks about deficits.

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You are right. It's not an argument but rather a strawman: "Nameless Democrats, who Fletch baselessly asserts don't care about deficits..." The enactment of the budget-busting 2017 tax cut proved once and for all, for anyone who had doubts, that Republicans, not Democrats, don’t actually care about deficits. Republicans are only interested in deficits when they can be used as a tool to fulfill other political objective, like their pervasive hatred for the social safety net in general and food stamps in particular.

But Fletch is trying to put words into my mouth about why Trump is cutting food stamps (SNAP). It isn't about Democrats not caring about deficits, as said above. The false populist, Trump cutting Foods Stamps, will definitely harm Trump's rural white voter base. The amount the CBO estimates that the proposed cuts to food stamps would save less than one percent, of the revenue lost due to Trump's tax cut. So, it isn't a concern for deficits that Trump is using as a motive and it isn't a disregard for deficits that motivate Democrats -- it's morality.

Like ALL Republicans in power, they care about catering to the rich, powerful and corporations. Democrats, on the other hand, care about taking care of the middle class and poor -- and cutting Food Stamps for the needy at a time when the rich and corporations got a huge gift from Trump and the GOP, is Robin Rood in reverse immorality. The overall point is that Trump is no populist and supports exactly the same "establishment" policies that he said in the campaign he hated. He lied, as usual.