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Boy regains consciousness after parents sign papers to donate his organs

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...just a day before doctors were set to end Trenton's life support, he showed signs of cognition, and now he's slowly going through recovery.

"The next day he was scheduled to have his final brain wave test to call his time of death but his vitals spiked so they cancelled the test," Reindl said.

*snip*

"From no brain waves to now walking and talking and reading, doing math. A miracle," she said.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trento...-sign-papers-to-donate-his-organs-2018-05-06/

I thought this story interesting in the aftermath of Alfie. This boy was determined to be brain dead and was scheduled to be taken off life support after some of his organs were to be harvested. Basically, there was every reason to practically insist on his death, as in Alfie's case, but then he started to show signs of cognition. In another setting, I have to wonder if those signs would have been dismissed as "reflex". He's home now speaking to reporters and I could not be happier for him and his parents.
 
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X Factor said:
I thought this story interesting in the aftermath of Alfie. This boy was determined to be brain dead and was scheduled to be taken off life support after some of his organs were to be harvested. Basically, there was every reason to practically insist on his death, as in Alfie's case, but then he started to show signs of cognition. In another setting, I have to wonder if those signs would have been dismissed as "reflex". He's home now speaking to reporters and I could not be happier for him and his parents.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Can you post a link to the story?
 
tres borrachos said:
Happy for that teenager and his parents. Crazy that one day would have made a difference.
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Me too. Saw this on TV first and saw parts of an interview. Boy still has some surgeries he has to go through but, other than the obvious injury to his head, he sounded (to me) just like any other 13 year old.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trento...-sign-papers-to-donate-his-organs-2018-05-06/

I thought this story interesting in the aftermath of Alfie. This boy was determined to be brain dead and was scheduled to be taken off life support after some of his organs were to be harvested. Basically, there was every reason to practically insist on his death, as in Alfie's case, but then he started to show signs of cognition. In another setting, I have to wonder if those signs would have been dismissed as "reflex". He's home now speaking to reporters and I could not be happier for him and his parents.
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I'm curious how doctors made a mistake here.

Does there need to be updated procedures to diagnose brain death?


Edit: Ah, perhaps this (from article):

"The next day he was scheduled to have his final brain wave test to call his time of death but his vitals spiked so they cancelled the test," Reindl said.
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Wondering if they would have caught improvement in that.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trento...-sign-papers-to-donate-his-organs-2018-05-06/

I thought this story interesting in the aftermath of Alfie. This boy was determined to be brain dead and was scheduled to be taken off life support after some of his organs were to be harvested. Basically, there was every reason to practically insist on his death, as in Alfie's case, but then he started to show signs of cognition. In another setting, I have to wonder if those signs would have been dismissed as "reflex". He's home now speaking to reporters and I could not be happier for him and his parents.
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Its happened before. Where a wife sees the husband stirring and starting to act and squeeze fingers and stuff and the wife begs and begs the doctor to recheck but they refuse..... for some reason... (organ $$$$$)
 
X Factor said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trento...-sign-papers-to-donate-his-organs-2018-05-06/

I thought this story interesting in the aftermath of Alfie. This boy was determined to be brain dead and was scheduled to be taken off life support after some of his organs were to be harvested. Basically, there was every reason to practically insist on his death, as in Alfie's case, but then he started to show signs of cognition. In another setting, I have to wonder if those signs would have been dismissed as "reflex". He's home now speaking to reporters and I could not be happier for him and his parents.
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There’s medical differences between cases like Alfie and this one that make things a lot more unambiguous.
 
Praise The Lord.
 
This makes me wonder if a baby cries during an abortion
 
gulfman said:
This makes me wonder if a baby cries during an abortion
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This is it. This is the dumbest post.

It’s all downhill (uphill?) from here, guys.
 
Deuce said:
There’s medical differences between cases like Alfie and this one that make things a lot more unambiguous.
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I'm just glad there wasn't a court order in place requiring this boy's death. What would have happened if signs of life in this boy were disregarded as reflex?
 
X Factor said:
I'm just glad there wasn't a court order in place requiring this boy's death. What would have happened if signs of life in this boy were disregarded as reflex?
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It’s not like they determine this with a coin toss.
 
X Factor said:
I'm pro life all the way, but that has exactly nothing to do with this.
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Relevance is like page three of the reasons that post was stupid.
 
Deuce said:
It’s not like they determine this with a coin toss.
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No, I don’t think that was the case. I recognize that the odds were greatly against Alfie, but they were against this boy as well.
 
X Factor said:
No, I don’t think that was the case. I recognize that the odds were greatly against Alfie, but they were against this boy as well.
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I think we dont even know that and actually many coma people can come out of it with 10+ years of healing as their brain tries to reestablish reality from their dreaming. Doctors have a bias, as in, if the person dies they get his organs and the hospital gets INSANE amounts of money. Doctors actually gain benefits if they allow people to die (if they have organ donor checked of course). Much the same way Ritalin became a wonder all because of easy $$$$$$$, so is weening the comatose of life.

The doctors with 3+ nice cars making 500 grand a year are using hospitals as organ conveyor belts.

There are also doctors who will do false operations that dont need to be done. Just for the $$$$$$.

Another HUGE one is dentists. Drilling into kids that don't actually have cavities.

Hospitals/nursing-homes will let the terribly elderly dehydrate to death and just wet their lips so they dont get in trouble for the dehydration.

There's a lot of SHEISTY **** that goes on in hospitals.

LOTS of money running through their hands.

If I loved someone I would try to keep them on life support for 100 years if I could. You NEVER know when the brain might fix itself. Plus lifes not so bad dreaming every day.
 
Sooooo...the boy ended up donating his organs, right?
 
Deuce said:
This is it. This is the dumbest post.

It’s all downhill (uphill?) from here, guys.
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Never underestimate human capability.
 
The Mark said:
Nope.

He's aware and getting further surgery to repair things.
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Monty Python reference. Never mind.

Edit: I put up the skit in question and immediately took it back down. Jesus Christ, that skit was horrifying.
 
Cardinal said:
Monty Python reference. Never mind.

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Damn, without that video I'd still have no idea what it's referring to, and Monty Python is stuff I've actually seen a lot of.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trento...-sign-papers-to-donate-his-organs-2018-05-06/

I thought this story interesting in the aftermath of Alfie. This boy was determined to be brain dead and was scheduled to be taken off life support after some of his organs were to be harvested. Basically, there was every reason to practically insist on his death, as in Alfie's case, but then he started to show signs of cognition. In another setting, I have to wonder if those signs would have been dismissed as "reflex". He's home now speaking to reporters and I could not be happier for him and his parents.
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Maybe he was faking it and overheard them.
 
The problem with medicine and humans in general is we don't know what we don't know. We are just at the beginning of understanding the brain, the cosmos or even electricity. How many times have doctors told someone they would never walk again only to be proved wrong? Or that they would be dead in six months but the person lived to old age? We don't know what we don't know. Maybe those Italian doctors could have done something for Alfie, or learned things that might help the next patient.

I might add that I'm against the death penalty, not on moral grounds, but because I believe government is often sloppy and I don't want them having the power to execute people. And the medical establishment isn't much better; they make lots of mistakes, and their mistakes often kill people. So I would favor giving even a long shot like Alfie every possible chance.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trento...-sign-papers-to-donate-his-organs-2018-05-06/

I thought this story interesting in the aftermath of Alfie. This boy was determined to be brain dead and was scheduled to be taken off life support after some of his organs were to be harvested. Basically, there was every reason to practically insist on his death, as in Alfie's case, but then he started to show signs of cognition. In another setting, I have to wonder if those signs would have been dismissed as "reflex". He's home now speaking to reporters and I could not be happier for him and his parents.
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Brain trauma is different to a terminal neurodegenrative disease, which is what Alfie had.
 
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