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Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump

AlbqOwl said:
Not at all. It is simply keeping things intellectually honest and not blaming Mueller for something that is not his fault. That is not the same thing as unqualified support.
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Right, he offered the unqualified support in various quotes I provided in this post but that you ignored. Part of a tweet included this line - "I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller"

I tried to do as you suggested - Googled "Gowdy criticizes Mueller" and a couple variants and found nothing past Nov 2017 when he criticized the Mueller team for some leaks Gowdy attributed to them. That's it. So I've looked and found nothing but Gowdy praising Mueller and supporting his investigation 100%.

That's why it's confusing when you say, "Only the most bitter, hateful, partisan hypocrite could honestly look at all that and say it is okay." and I know you mean people like me, liberals, progressives, and other undesirables, but can't address why I am doing nothing more or less than agreeing with GOWDY on this subject. I don't know and haven't predicted what Mueller will find on collusion, but I think he's done a good job with the investigation and want it to continue - it's important work IMO.
 
Anthony60 said:
I'm fine with people supporting anything they want, although most on the left here are short on facts and are prone to stretching the truth. They have to, since many of their positions are incompatible with capitalism and our Constitution. Tres, IMO, used to be somewhat of a Republican, but went completely off the rails with her hate from Trump. I thonk Tres would at least agree that she hates Trump.
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Oh yeah, she has said as much..its the passive aggressive contempt she now displays for Republicans is full on leftist and makes me question if she's ever been an honest broker.

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JasperL said:
Right, he offered the unqualified support in various quotes I provided in this post but that you ignored. Part of a tweet included this line - "I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller"

I tried to do as you suggested - Googled "Gowdy criticizes Mueller" and a couple variants and found nothing past Nov 2017 when he criticized the Mueller team for some leaks Gowdy attributed to them. That's it. So I've looked and found nothing but Gowdy praising Mueller and supporting his investigation 100%.

That's why it's confusing when you say, "Only the most bitter, hateful, partisan hypocrite could honestly look at all that and say it is okay." and I know you mean people like me, liberals, progressives, and other undesirables, but can't address why I am doing nothing more or less than agreeing with GOWDY on this subject. I don't know and haven't predicted what Mueller will find on collusion, but I think he's done a good job with the investigation and want it to continue - it's important work IMO.
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Anyone who says or thinks that decent Republicans don't support what Mueller is doing is lying, both out loud and to himself.

Gowdy has made it completely clear that he both supports and trusts Mueller.

Gowdy is even on record recommending that the President meet with Mueller.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/04/politics/trey-gowdy-speak-with-mueller-cnntv/index.html

Of course, Gowdy has decided to leave Congress this year. He's no doubt sick and tired of all the sycophancy and ridiculous attacks on Meuller and wants to disassociate from the madness before he gets dragged down into the cesspool with the citizens of Trump Fan Nation.
 
Many posters here think this is a partisan thing, that Republicans support Trump just like Democrats oppose him. I think they need to "wise up", Trump has little support from the Republican "establishment", certainly not in the legislature (McCain is a good example). Democrats all opposed Trump, they supported Hillary and the more leftist among them were for Bernie. Republicans voted for Trump because they didn't want Hillary, not because they were enthralled by Trump's commitment to conservative principles or ideology. As many critical lefties noted during the campaign, Trump was not "really a conservative".

Trump is only nominally a Republican, for most of his life he identified as a Democrat (this made sense in New York where he lived and based his business). In late 1990s, he declared himself to be an independent. In 2000, he briefly sought the presidential nomination by Perot's the Reform Party. He cultivated and donated to many prominent Democrats in New York in the early 2000s (but that may have been just good business sense there). By 2009 he was calling himself a Republican, but it isn't clear when he made this change.

Trump certainly is "anti-establishment" he denounced this "deep state" throughout his campaign, and that "deep state" is both Republican and Democrat, opposition to him comes from both parties, from Republicans because they don't want to see their sinecure threatened by this outsider, from Democrats for the same reason, but more so since they've engrossed the ranks of that "deep state" after two terms of Obama.
 
tres borrachos said:
Anyone who says or thinks that decent Republicans don't support what Mueller is doing is lying, both out loud and to himself.

Gowdy has made it completely clear that he both supports and trusts Mueller.

Gowdy is even on record recommending that the President meet with Mueller.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/04/politics/trey-gowdy-speak-with-mueller-cnntv/index.html

Of course, Gowdy has decided to leave Congress this year. He's no doubt sick and tired of all the sycophancy and ridiculous attacks on Meuller and wants to disassociate from the madness before he gets dragged down into the cesspool with the citizens of Trump Fan Nation.
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The problem with "decent Republicans" like Gowdy is that they don't attack the bs that their colleagues are spewing. When was the last time that Gowdy criticized Nunes? Or Gaetz? Or anyone else that is involved in a political campaign to stop the Mueller investigation?
 
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