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Giuliani: Trump reimbursed Cohen for $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels

trixare4kids said:
Where is the campaign finance violation? If it is true that Giuliani said Trump reimbursed Cohen with his own money, where is the crime?
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Sorry you don't get it.
 
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MTAtech said:
Yahoo News: [FONT="]Giuliani: Trump repaid Cohen $130K for payment to porn star[/FONT]



On Air Force One, Trump had previously said (April 5) he had no idea about the payment to Stormy Daniels. Now, Giuliani contradicted that statement and admitted Trump paid Daniels.

This is clearly a ploy to try to skirt the charge that Cohen made an illegal campaign contribution. If Trump repaid Cohen, then it's not a campaign contribution. However, if Trump reimbursed Cohen in multiple sums less than $10K, in order to avoid detection, that's also a federal law violation.

Looks like people are deep in do-do.
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In otherwords "We got you by the balls on a technicality....now you get your life ruined, because we want to".

This is not how civilized folk work.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Okay, then don't. But that's where the crime is.
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Nope. Let's go back to what I actually wrote. IF Giuliani is right in saying Trump reimbursed Cohen the 130k with his personal funds, where is the crime?
 
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MTAtech said:
Yahoo News: [FONT="]Giuliani: Trump repaid Cohen $130K for payment to porn star[/FONT]



On Air Force One, Trump had previously said (April 5) he had no idea about the payment to Stormy Daniels. Now, Giuliani contradicted that statement and admitted Trump paid Daniels.

This is clearly a ploy to try to skirt the charge that Cohen made an illegal campaign contribution. If Trump repaid Cohen, then it's not a campaign contribution. However, if Trump reimbursed Cohen in multiple sums less than $10K, in order to avoid detection, that's also a federal law violation.

Looks like people are deep in do-do.
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I think Trump is preparing to appeal any conviction based on incompetent defense counsel. Giuliani is doing Trump zero good.
 
Re: Giuliani: Trump repaid Cohen $130K for payment to porn star

MTAtech said:
Yahoo News: [FONT="]Giuliani: Trump repaid Cohen $130K for payment to porn star[/FONT]



On Air Force One, Trump had previously said (April 5) he had no idea about the payment to Stormy Daniels. Now, Giuliani contradicted that statement and admitted Trump paid Daniels.

This is clearly a ploy to try to skirt the charge that Cohen made an illegal campaign contribution. If Trump repaid Cohen, then it's not a campaign contribution. However, if Trump reimbursed Cohen in multiple sums less than $10K, in order to avoid detection, that's also a federal law violation.

Looks like people are deep in do-do.
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Cohen is sticking with the non-denials. For now.
 
trixare4kids said:
Better to be caught in a lie than caught lying while under oath.
Trump lied. Where is the crime?
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I think it's like a campaign finance law or something so that the American public knows they're voting for a man who cheats on his wife with porn stars and pays them hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep quiet about it.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
In otherwords "We got you by the balls on a technicality....now you get your life ruined, because we want to".
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Boy it seems like you would have been supporting Al Capone too huh?
 
trixare4kids said:
Nope. Let's go back to what I actually wrote. IF Giuliani is right in saying Trump reimbursed Cohen the 130k, where is the crime?
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For one, 45 said he had no knowledge. He lied. Why?
 
trixare4kids said:
Where is the campaign finance violation? If it is true that Giuliani said Trump reimbursed Cohen with his own money, where is the crime?
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There are a couple of ways it could be illegal aside from the fact Trump had lied about not knowing anything about the payment on Air Force One and Cohen lying about remortgaging his home to make the payment. If the payments were structured in such a way as to avoid triggering a financial institution filing a report about the transaction as required by law then that would be a felony. If the loan payments didn't include interest that is a federal election law donation violation. The fact that it was unreported by the Trump campaign is also a violation of federal election law.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Well, it's all very curious to me. There's the criminal referral to SDNY followed by the FBI raid and the start of preliminary proceedings. During that time, Cohen and the president both said that the president never knew that Daniels was paid. The president used a fake name on the NDA that he never signed. Cohen said he paid the NDA consideration out of his personal funds. The president again claimed he never knew anything.

Then the civil suit in CA gets stayed for ninety days so the SDNY case can proceed. Just days later, one of the president's new lawyers gets on Fox News and changes every single aspect of both Cohen's and the president's stories.

I'm usually pretty good at finding the common thread, but this entire presidency is such a cluster that I just can't figure out this bit. Presumably the president violated campaign finance laws by accepting an "in kind" donation from Cohen under the original circumstances. So perhaps they've fixed that problem by saying that the president in fact repaid the Daniels money via Cohen's firm. But now we have lots more questions, don't we? Did the president pay Cohen when Cohen paid Daniels days before the election? If he did, why did they both lie? If he didn't, when did he? Was it still a campaign finance crime? Most importantly, what can we even believe anymore? Surely nothing that the president says, ever, nor anyone associated with him. It's just a jaw dropping disaster.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/politics/stormy-daniels-lawsuit-stay/index.html
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T/Y for an intelligent response... We are still back to square one and what we have learned tonight. IF what Giuliani said is true,... Trump reimbursed Cohen for the Daniel's payment with his own personal funds, there is no crime.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
He also said Trump fired Comey for not saying that Trump wasn't under investigation.
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So it was incompetence and a loss of faith and Russia and not saying he was under investigation? Did I get them all? I'm probably forgetting something about the emails.
 
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lurchadams said:
I think Trump is preparing to appeal any conviction based on incompetent defense counsel. Giuliani is doing Trump zero good.
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This is all coming to a head very very soon. My original Q2 prediction may prove correct after all.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Merging dupe thread.
 
Atomic Kid said:
There are a couple of ways it could be illegal aside from the fact Trump had lied about not knowing anything about the payment on Air Force One and Cohen lying about remortgaging his home to make the payment. If the payments were structured in such a way as to avoid triggering a financial institution filing a report about the transaction as required by law then that would be a felony. If the loan payments didn't include interest that is a federal election law donation violation. The fact that it was unreported by the Trump campaign is also a violation of federal election law.
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People lie all the time. Doesn't make them criminals. IF what Giuliani said is true, Trump reimbursed Cohen for the Daniel's payment from his personal funds, there is no violation of federal election law, hence no crime.
 
Parrish said:
Avenatti said he was speechless when 45 said he reimbursed Cohen. Rudi said Cohen always handled these things for 45. The payment was funneled through a law firm. It shows that 45 tried to tried to avoid a scandal and is indeed a campaign finance violation. And...he denied knowing that the $130,000 was paid to Ms. Daniels.

Thanks, Rudi. Love, Stephanie and Michael
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Do we know when the president paid the law firm (Cohen's?)?
 
Who'll write the book 45 Cash?
 
Re: Giuliani: Trump repaid Cohen $130K for payment to porn star

For those who dont know the conventional wisdom is that Trump when he was working Cohen, Roy would park some money with him and give him power of attorney with instructions "Do what you have to do", and then cohen would come back to Trump when the account needed replenishing.

Giuliani's story is almost certainly true.
 
Parrish said:
This isn't about Bill.
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yes, his liberal supporters are guilty of defending far worse than anything Trump supporters are up too. your tepid response means you agree. If liberals had their way Bill Clinton would be walking the halls of the White House at this very minute, and they have the guts to preach to others about defending a man's sexual history?!

could you be more clueless?
 
trixare4kids said:
People lie all the time. Doesn't make them criminals. IF what Giuliani said is true, Trump reimbursed Cohen for the Daniel's payment from his personal funds, there is no violation of federal election law, hence no crime.
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1. Trump when asked on AF 1 claimed to know "nothing about any payment to Stormy Daniels" and to, "ask Michael" (Cohen). If Trump knew nothing about the payment, then how did he know to reimburse Cohen in the first place?
2. If Cohen was actually reimbursed, when did it happen? Yesterday? If it happened after the election then the funds expended to pay off Stormy helped get Trump elected and therefore qualify as an unreported campaign contribution.

Try to spin this however you'd like. Trump and Cohen are in deep trouble.
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
^^ Right on cue. Did everyone catch that? ^^
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You say you're an attorney IRL, so you should be used to seeing factual statements.
I'm not defending Trump. You are reading too much into it what I actually wrote.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Do we know when the president paid the law firm (Cohen's?)?
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A structured settlement to avoid notice by the FEC so over a period of months, I'd guess. A violation, ergo a crime.
 
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