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Former HHS Sec. Price: Repealing the individual mandate 'will harm' people insured through Obamacare

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[h=1]Former HHS Sec. Price: Repealing the individual mandate 'will harm' people insured through Obamacare[/h]
WASHINGTON — Former Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price said Tuesday that repealing the requirement that all Americans have health insurance or face a tax penalty, may not have been such a good idea after all.
The so-called individual mandate had been one of Republicans' most hated provisions of the Affordable Care Act and in December they finally repealed it as part of a larger tax reform bill.
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After doing a ton of lying about how evil the individual mandate is, Price finally admits what Obamacare proponents have said all along.

“There are many, and I’m one of them, who believes ... you’ll likely have individuals who are younger and healthier not participating in that market, and consequently, that drives up the cost for other folks within that market,” Price said.

That's the purpose of the mandate -- if we make laws that forbid insurance companies from discriminating against people with preexisting conditions, then we have to have a mandate or people will wait until they get sick before buying insurance -- driving up the costs.
 
Leaving government is truth serum for these miserable assholes.
 
Interesting that the title of the article and his actual quote don't relate. He never said harm. Harm has a certain implication. He talks about cost.
 
Cardinal said:
Leaving government is truth serum for these miserable assholes.
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What was the lie?

The issue all along is that the only way it works is by forcing people to buy something they don't want or need. Even with these people in the mix, the costs are MUCH higher than predicted. Without them, it doesn't work at all.
 
dcsports said:
What was the lie?

The issue all along is that the only way it works is by forcing people to buy something they don't want or need. Even with these people in the mix, the costs are MUCH higher than predicted. Without them, it doesn't work at all.
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Did he come forward and tell people when the mandate was being debated that of course it would be worse for people who were helped by the PPACA? Of course he didn't. He knew that any didn't open his mouth. That's the lie.
 
dcsports said:
What was the lie?

The issue all along is that the only way it works is by forcing people to buy something they don't want or need. Even with these people in the mix, the costs are MUCH higher than predicted. Without them, it doesn't work at all.
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If you think everyone doesn't need health insurance, you're living in a fantasyland. One mishap or accident can wipe anyone out financially if they don't have it. What you're really saying is that some people are betting they won't need it. And that's not a very smart bet. Those are the people the rest of us end up paying for when something does happen to them.
 
Cardinal said:
Did he come forward and tell people when the mandate was being debated that of course it would be worse for people who were helped by the PPACA? Of course he didn't. He knew that any didn't open his mouth. That's the lie.
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'Worse' is a very relative concept. I don't think opponent's have ever disputed that some people were 'helped' at the expense of others -- and that many 'hurt' or were forced to do something they didn't want to.
 
leekohler2 said:
If you think everyone doesn't need health insurance, you're living in a fantasyland. One mishap or accident can wipe anyone out financially if they don't have it. What you're really saying is that some people are betting they won't need it. And that's not a very smart bet. Those are the people the rest of us end up paying for when something does happen to them.
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Worse than that, when those people lose the bet they end up in the hospital anyway -- having their bills added to the hospital's overhead that those with insurance end up paying.
 
leekohler2 said:
If you think everyone doesn't need health insurance, you're living in a fantasyland. One mishap or accident can wipe anyone out financially if they don't have it. What you're really saying is that some people are betting they won't need it. And that's not a very smart bet. Those are the people the rest of us end up paying for when something does happen to them.
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Oh, I think not. You could argue 'good idea' or 'should' -- but not need. Some, for example, could afford to pay out of pocket. Some chose catastrophic care. Many chose to take the risk. And there's a lot of coverage that people were forced to buy that they don't need (maternity coverage for men, for example).
 
dcsports said:
'Worse' is a very relative concept. I don't think opponent's have ever disputed that some people were 'helped' at the expense of others -- and that many 'hurt' or were forced to do something they didn't want to.
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Paying more is worse for people who are unable to afford cadillac insurance plans. Price knew that and said nothing until his opinions were worthless.

Republicans: liars in office and worthless after they've left it.
 
dcsports said:
What was the lie?

The issue all along is that the only way it works is by forcing people to buy something they don't want or need. Even with these people in the mix, the costs are MUCH higher than predicted. Without them, it doesn't work at all.
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Same thing for auto insurance, so why is this a problem?
 
Cardinal said:
Paying more is worse for people who are unable to afford cadillac insurance plans. Price knew that and said nothing until his opinions were worthless.

Republicans: liars in office and worthless after they've left it.
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I didn't pay much attention to what he said before or after he left office. But again, no one has hidden the fact that some people pay less under the plans (at least, until they collapse). It's a shame we couldn't have focused our efforts on those people. A LOT of people paid more under the plans.

Many Republican politicians are liars. Many more Democrats are -- I certainly don't have to highlight the many, many, lies told to get obamacare in place. For example, you never heard supporters talking about the fact it 'hurt' many, and drove premiums up.
 
Greenbeard said:
Indeed. Trump and co. deliberately drove up premiums for 2018 and now they're deliberately driving them up for 2019. The GOP's obsession with destroying markets is curious. I'm sure they'll be big fans of where that inevitably leads.
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They'll just say 'the disastrous Obamacare is collapsing,' and distance themselves from the cause.
 
Am I missing something? Isn't insurance all about spreading risk? I was forced to pay into SS and Medicare and currently reap benefits. Someone who dies at 40 doesn't benefit from what he has paid. That's is the point of modern societies, whose politics determine each nation's commitment to the statement below.

"No man is an island."

Then again, I assume you are free to refuse any government benefits you are entitles to.
 
The dumbsses that passed this law are to blame for it's failure.
 
apdst said:
The dumbsses that passed this law are to blame for it's failure.
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Hard to make that claim, since the ACA was very carefully thought out. As such, GOP attempts to sabotage the program keep falling short. I’m not saying that sabotage has been a complete failure. The Trump administration has succeeded in driving insurance premiums sharply higher — and yes, I mean “succeeded,” because that was definitely the goal. However, the program has been remarkably stable when you bear in mind that it’s being administered by people trying to make it fail.

Even though Trump and the GOP have been proclaiming its failure for years, it still is accomplishing its goal of insuring tens of millions of Americans who couldn’t get or afford health insurance. It’s still covering preexisting conditions and still proving subsidies for those that can’t afford premiums.

It it is immoral that partisans are trying to make the ACA fail, considering how many — including Trump voters, that would be hurt if sabotage ended the program.
 
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