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Ford says only Mustang, Focus will live on in North America as it drops slow-selling sedans

To dump the Fusion seems strange, even though it is now a 7 or so year old design it still sells around 200 000 units in the US (not to mention Europe or Asia)

Yeah, I don't get that decision. I really like that design. It's a rip off of Aston Martin, but who can afford one of those?
 
Besides, they still make the Escape.

If I was in the market for a new Escape, I probably would not buy one if it was no longer going to be made.
 
i thought ford was the company of the three the did NOT get bailed out? am i wrong on that? i thought it was just Chevy and Chrysler.

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If I was in the market for a new Escape, I probably would not buy one if it was no longer going to be made.

If they stopped making the Escape today there would still be parts in the pipeline for a decade or more.
 
Not sure dropping sedans is a good idea. I know SUVs and pickups are popular. I drive a pickup and love it - probably get a SUV next. But there still seem to be a lot of mid- and full-size sedans on the road.

have you seen how many manufacturers are competing for THAT market?

compare that to crossovers and trucks which hold a much higher profit margin

hard to compete with the camrys and accords of the world....it just is

the japanese, koreans, and germans dominate the sedan market

wouldnt be surprised to find GM following suit shortly
 
This seems odd to me. I thought the Fusion was huge.
 
From the article:
U.S. drivers have gravitated to SUVs and pickup trucks for years...Many car buyers also report enjoying the high-riding seating position of an SUV or pickup truck.
(sorry for the "click" instructions...I didn't expect that to show up because it didn't appear in the image I saw, but I'm not looking for different pics either...)


Full Disclosure:
I am probably not the right person to remark on this story because though I have an SUV, I use only when I hauling things; there's no way I'd drive it just transport myself and/or myself and a passenger. My daily driver is a 2-door coupe.

(Does anyone else here find it as bizarre as I that carmakers now call "sleek" four door cars "coupe?" For 50 years, "coupe" meant two doors and "sedan" meant four.)​


American's affinity for SUVs just blows my mind. They cant stand this...

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...but this is cool....



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What's the difference? It's harder to get into the rear most seats of the ones on the bottom, it's harder for other drivers have a harder time seeing around them. But the ones up top are called "station wagons," and the ones below are called "SUVs," and pushing a station wagon a a couple or three inches higher off the ground makes it so much better.
 
A gamble for Ford. Maybe Dearborn believes government will bail them out again if their gamble is wrong.

I wonder what their long-term plans are regarding driverless and electric vehicles.

Significant... ;)

Can't cite, so believe it or not...but I do work for the automotive industry.
 
From the article:

(sorry for the "click" instructions...I didn't expect that to show up because it didn't appear in the image I saw, but I'm not looking for different pics either...)


Full Disclosure:
I am probably not the right person to remark on this story because though I have an SUV, I use only when I hauling things; there's no way I'd drive it just transport myself and/or myself and a passenger. My daily driver is a 2-door coupe.

(Does anyone else here find it as bizarre as I that carmakers now call "sleek" four door cars "coupe?" For 50 years, "coupe" meant two doors and "sedan" meant four.)​


American's affinity for SUVs just blows my mind. They cant stand this...

2017-mercedes-benz-e-class-wagon-11.jpg


2011-mercedes-benz-e-class-wagon-2.jpg


2011-mercedes-benz-e-class-wagon-11.jpg

...but this is cool....



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2010-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-SUV-Base-GL350-BlueTEC-4dr-All-wheel-Drive-4MATIC-Interior-2.png




What's the difference? It's harder to get into the rear most seats of the ones on the bottom, it's harder for other drivers have a harder time seeing around them. But the ones up top are called "station wagons," and the ones below are called "SUVs," and pushing a station wagon a a couple or three inches higher off the ground makes it so much better.

Honestly? I think soccer moms like them because they sit higher. I would NEVER own an SUV. I think they're obnoxious and unnecessary, especially in the city. My Audi A3 had to go in for service recently. They were out of a certain part at the dealer, so they gave me an Q5 as a loaner. Ugh, I hated it. Too big and bulky. I constantly felt like I was going run into something. But again, I've always liked smaller cars anyway.
 
I prefer my lower riding Mazda 5 to the high riding Chevy Colorado we just bought, personally.

That being said, another thing that could have had some influence on this decision could be that Ford has just had a hell of a loss with their transmission system problems in smaller sedans lately. My MIL has a Ford Fusion now, but it is from trading in her Fiesta. It really was a safety concern. And she turned it in to be checked by her dealership at least a dozen times over more than a year time frame. One of my first driving experiences was having her car fail on me when I was starting to go from being stopped at a light. I was moving less than 5 mph while pressing the gas to just move out of the intersection, trying to find somewhere to pull over. It had just been working right before I stopped for the light. She was seeing this often, along with her radio going out and dashboard lights failing, continuing, despite having pretty much everything switched out by the techs (that she didn't pay for, they did). If all those people were having these issues, it would make sense that Ford lost a lot money from this ongoing problem, even before the settlement.

Ford Transmission Problems | Presented by Stern Law, PLLC
 
A gamble for Ford. Maybe Dearborn believes government will bail them out again if their gamble is wrong.

I wonder what their long-term plans are regarding driverless and electric vehicles.
  • Driverless: I've seen an ad for several "take your hands off the wheel" cars. I'm sure driverless can't be far away.
  • Electric:
    Ford – The U.S. automaker plans to invest $5 billion in electric vehicles by 2022 and introduce at least 13 electric or hybrid models worldwide in the next five years including a small SUV built in its home state of Michigan offering an estimated range of 300 miles on one charge. It is cutting spending on future internal combustion engines but still plans for a third of vehicles to have internal combustion engines by 2030 - the year some European governments have proposed banning petroleum-fueled cars. Ford has not given any electric vehicle production targets.
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I prefer my lower riding Mazda 5 to the high riding Chevy Colorado we just bought, personally.

That being said, another thing that could have had some influence on this decision could be that Ford has just had a hell of a loss with their transmission system problems in smaller sedans lately. My MIL has a Ford Fusion now, but it is from trading in her Fiesta. It really was a safety concern. And she turned it in to be checked by her dealership at least a dozen times over more than a year time frame. One of my first driving experiences was having her car fail on me when I was starting to go from being stopped at a light. I was moving less than 5 mph while pressing the gas to just move out of the intersection, trying to find somewhere to pull over. It had just been working right before I stopped for the light. She was seeing this often, along with her radio going out and dashboard lights failing, continuing, despite having pretty much everything switched out by the techs (that she didn't pay for, they did). If all those people were having these issues, it would make sense that Ford lost a lot money from this ongoing problem, even before the settlement.

Ford Transmission Problems | Presented by Stern Law, PLLC

A friend of mine had a Fiesta with the same transmission problems. I believe they had to replace the transmission twice. So you could be onto something here. That may be why they're walking away form sedans.
 
What's the difference? It's harder to get into the rear most seats of the ones on the bottom, it's harder for other drivers have a harder time seeing around them. But the ones up top are called "station wagons," and the ones below are called "SUVs," and pushing a station wagon a a couple or three inches higher off the ground makes it so much better.
Here's my take on that:

1. Some people feel they (and their children when they buy them a vehicle or hand-me-down) are not as safe in a small car, when the roads are filled with giant pickups and SUVs.
2. The country-crowd luv them some full sized pickups
3. Generally many people like a car as a way to display wealth/prestige
4. Once you get use to a larger SUV or vehicle that rides high, it can be hard to switch back to a sedan where it feels like you're sitting on the ground. Especially as you get older, you just don't want to have to get on the ground. That, and being that low again adds to feelings of lack of safety (#1).

As to wagon vs SUV in particular, that's two issues IMO. Stigma of wagons, and the height to length ratio is aesthetically off for wagons. On SUVs it looks great. Squish them down and it looks funky. Combine that with the above, and wagons are an extreme niche. We got a wagon for my wifes first car updrade for practical reasons, I hated it when all was said and done.

I would much prefer if we all drove tiny commuter vehicles 80% of the time, and only took out the big ones for long trips, work, or for those that feel the need, when "showing off" at valet, etc. But since we don't, it's hard to stuff it back in the bottle.
 
People have short memories. The big gas guzzlers were down when gas prices spiked. Gas prices go down again, people flock back to the SUVs. Gas prices will go up again.
 
How on Gods green earth is Trump responsible for people preferring crossovers and pickup trucks to sedans?

He's it blaming Trump. That's a heartfelt think you.
 
Guess we will be keeping our 2011 Impala, it can hold 4 adults and 4 large suitcases for travelers like us, and still get halfway decent mpg. Old adults sometimes need assist getting in or out of the rear seat. Our first FWD Impala in year 2000 got much better mpg, easily over 36 on trips. The 2011 struggles to get 30.

We rented a Fusion once, it did the luggage trick as well, IIRC.
 
Here's my take on that:

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4. Once you get use to a larger SUV or vehicle that rides high, it can be hard to switch back to a sedan where it feels like you're sitting on the ground. Especially as you get older, you just don't want to have to get on the ground. That, and being that low again adds to feelings of lack of safety (#1)
My siblings and I took many a family road trip in the wagon. It worked...it was roomy and comfortable. It didn't look as cool as do present-day wagons, so I can relate to not wanting something that looks like those "old school" wagons.

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The worst thing about station wagon styling was that it didn't go with the American design ethos, at least not by the time I came along.


This looks not so bad to me.

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The thing American wagons of the '60s and '70s is that I knew what the "regular" versions looked like, so the wagon version couldn't compete. With the European ones, I had no idea what they "normal" version looked like, so I just judged it by what it looked like. "Woodies" weren't trying to look like anything else, so they stood on their own right rather than in comparison to something else.


In One's Dotage:
I can assure you that as one gets older, it gets progressively harder to get into and out of an SUV. Someone has to almost lift old folks into an SUV, getting them out is an exercise in making sure they don't fall out the thing. Of course, it's only slightly better with my coupe, though they could sort of fall-slide into the passenger seat, but I had basically pick them up. I witnessed that with both my parents.

Either way, the whole process is fraught with "not so fast," "where's the ground?", "you're holding me too tight," "wait, wait, wait," "don't push me," etc.


Advice: You do you, but this is my suggestion (no feedback needed)
My advice to anyone whose parents seem as though they'll make it into their late 80s and beyond: Strongly push them to buy a minivan as the last vehicle that they'll ever buy/own. It's far and away the easiest thing into which one can have a wheelchair lift installed and have the interior remediated to hold the wheelchair in place. Quite simply, it's the rare 90-something who doesn't need a wheelchair, so one may as well hope for the best -- that one's folks will live well into their 90s -- but plan for the reality that they will need a wheeled seat.

If not a minivan, then go with a station wagon...It's got plenty of room in the rear for a wheelchair, but most importantly, the "normal" height off the ground will make it far easier for one's folks who are semi-mobile (they can stand with an assist and shift themselves into a car seat).​
 
I could never understand why people buy Fords. They have been unreliable for years with countless recalls,rust and issues starting them,if you are lucky if they do.
The Fusion,a modern Edsel has never had any attraction(similar to liberal/Demos). The Chrysler 200,in the same class is far better looking and the Chevy Malibu,best in class.
The only thing keeping Ford alive are the truck and Lincoln divisions. If not Ford will join American Motors and Studebaker in the automobile history archives.
 
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