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Privately run prisoner transport company kept detainee shackled for 18 days in human waste, alleged

The Mark

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...waste-lawsuit-alleges/?utm_term=.0964a96e5c65

Edward Kovari’s 18-day journey caged in the back of a private prisoner transport van began at a gas station in Winchester, Va., where the waiter had recently moved from Houston.
As Kovari left the station's convenience store, a Virginia police officer checking out-of-state license plates informed him that his 2005 Pontiac sedan had been reported stolen in Houston.
The report turned out to be false, and the resulting charges were ultimately dismissed — but not before Kovari, now 39, was arrested, arraigned on a fugitive warrant and extradited to Houston in September 2016 in what his attorneys describe in a federal lawsuit filed Tuesday as a tortuous ordeal.
The lawsuit filed in U.S. district court in western Virginia against three companies — Brevard Extraditions, which conducts business as U.S. Prisoner Transport; Prisoner Transportation Services of America; and its parent company, Prisoner Transportation Services — illustrates the risks posed by the increasing privatization of prisoner extradition, Kovari's lawyers said.
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Profit motive = cutting corners that shouldn't be cut.
Without stringent regulations on the conditions and treatment prisoners are required to have available, this can never work

Personally, I am of the opinion that any form of privately owned prisons or frankly most anything related to law enforcement should be utterly banned.

Clearly, oversight is not sufficient to ensure acceptable result.
 
The Mark said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...waste-lawsuit-alleges/?utm_term=.0964a96e5c65



Profit motive = cutting corners that shouldn't be cut.
Without stringent regulations on the conditions and treatment prisoners are required to have available, this can never work

Personally, I am of the opinion that any form of privately owned prisons or frankly most anything related to law enforcement should be utterly banned.

Clearly, oversight is not sufficient to ensure acceptable result.
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But wait! According to the Right, the private sector ALWAYS does a better job than the public sector! The right wing can't be wrong, can it? Can it?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
But wait! According to the Right, the private sector ALWAYS does a better job than the public sector! The right wing can't be wrong, can it? Can it?
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At this point in history, they appear to be wrong on everything, all the time.

I am struggling to name one thing the Republican party is right about.

Although up until the progressive push recently, I could say the same about the Democrats, except perhaps on some social issues.
 
The Mark said:
Personally, I am of the opinion that any form of privately owned prisons or frankly most anything related to law enforcement should be utterly banned.
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i'm approaching that position, as well.
 
The Mark said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...waste-lawsuit-alleges/?utm_term=.0964a96e5c65



Profit motive = cutting corners that shouldn't be cut.
Without stringent regulations on the conditions and treatment prisoners are required to have available, this can never work

Personally, I am of the opinion that any form of privately owned prisons or frankly most anything related to law enforcement should be utterly banned.

Clearly, oversight is not sufficient to ensure acceptable result.
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I've long said that the private sector belongs where the profit motive belongs, and that government belongs where the profit motive does NOT belong.
 
I generally believe that government should be a referee, not one of the players. Prisons are one of the exceptions. Since the government is in the business of punishment, I don't think it is right for that function to be outsourced.

As for this evil, unfortunately plenty of evil has happened in government prisons as well.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I generally believe that government should be a referee, not one of the players. Prisons are one of the exceptions. Since the government is in the business of punishment, I don't think it is right for that function to be outsourced.

As for this evil, unfortunately plenty of evil has happened in government prisons as well.
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And a profit motive for punishment is incentive to keep people locked up longer and for as long as possible.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
But wait! According to the Right, the private sector ALWAYS does a better job than the public sector! The right wing can't be wrong, can it? Can it?
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Geeeeeee zus. ALWAYS the same idiotic mindless partisan stupid **** from you. Cuz...California doesnt use private prisons. Cuz....other liberal run states dont use private prisons. Cuz....state run prisons dont have any abuses.....

FM
 
The Mark said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...waste-lawsuit-alleges/?utm_term=.0964a96e5c65



Profit motive = cutting corners that shouldn't be cut.
Without stringent regulations on the conditions and treatment prisoners are required to have available, this can never work

Personally, I am of the opinion that any form of privately owned prisons or frankly most anything related to law enforcement should be utterly banned.

Clearly, oversight is not sufficient to ensure acceptable result.
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Not only that, private prisons have been guilty of bribing judges for longer sentences and also hitting up their inmates with charges that extend their prison stay, since they have to keep a particular level of occupancy. For profit prison is an absolute disgrace. The number of incarcerated in this country is a disgrace. Land of the free my ass.

And even government prisons are a money making business for companies that supply the prison, so even those prisons can be rife for corruption. That's why you have so many politicians continually running on "tough on crime" and just keep increasing prison population, while idiots just eat it up
 
Glen Contrarian said:
But wait! According to the Right, the private sector ALWAYS does a better job than the public sector! The right wing can't be wrong, can it? Can it?
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Well, shouldn't we be able to make money off of criminals? I'm sure that's what they'll say. Trust me, it's coming.
 
VanceMack said:
Geeeeeee zus. ALWAYS the same idiotic mindless partisan stupid **** from you. Cuz...California doesnt use private prisons. Cuz....other liberal run states dont use private prisons. Cuz....state run prisons dont have any abuses.....

FM
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He's right though:

This Is the Real Reason Private Prisons Should Be Outlawed | Time

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/25/4913...reveals-crowding-under-staffing-and-inmate-de

And my state has banned them:

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archi...states-have-banned-private-prisons-yours-one/
 
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VanceMack said:
Geeeeeee zus. ALWAYS the same idiotic mindless partisan stupid **** from you. Cuz...California doesnt use private prisons. Cuz....other liberal run states dont use private prisons. Cuz....state run prisons dont have any abuses.....

FM
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From Time Magazine:

Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates pointed out that private prisons “compare poorly” to facilities run by the federal Bureau of Prisons. The DOJ found that, in general, private prisons provide fewer correctional services at greater security and safety risk to inmates and staff, without producing substantial savings.

These results are related. To achieve their modest savings, private prisons tend to cut back on staff costs and training. More than a decade ago, researchers found that private facilities pay their officers less, provide fewer hours of training and have higher inmate-to-staff ratios, a combination which may account for their much higher turnover rate among correctional officers, as well as the uptick in inmate assaults.
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The real reason we should end the use of private prisons is not the conventional one. The real reason is that justice should not be administered through the prism of profit. As a rule, we disfavor private prosecutors hired by the victim’s family, or judges who get paid when a defendant in her court is convicted but not when he is acquitted. In both cases, the concern is obvious: We mistrust arrangements that might lead actors in the system to stray from their duty to administer justice impartially.

The problem with the private prison is analogous, though not identical. The companies that build and run private prisons have a financial interest in the continued growth of mass incarceration. That is why the two major players in this game—the Corrections Corporation of America and the GEO Group—invest heavily in lobbying for punitive criminal justice policies and make hefty contributions to political campaigns that will increase reliance on prisons.

Why the heck should private corporations that RUN prisons be allowed to lobby for higher prison prison populations? What is the justice in allowing corporations to lobby for higher prison sentences, NOT for justice or to reduce recidivism, but to make more PROFIT?

That's not justice - that's tyranny, plain and simple.
 
HenryChinaski said:
And a profit motive for punishment is incentive to keep people locked up longer and for as long as possible.
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And if government oversight doesn't prevent that, then shame on government too.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
And if government oversight doesn't prevent that, then shame on government too.
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Government exists to regulate commerce in the first place. Private prisons need to go- permanently. It's a disgusting concept from a moral and ethical standpoint.
 
leekohler2 said:
He's right though:

This Is the Real Reason Private Prisons Should Be Outlawed | Time

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/25/4913...reveals-crowding-under-staffing-and-inmate-de

And my state has banned them:

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archi...states-have-banned-private-prisons-yours-one/
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No...hes full of **** spewing his typical mindless leftist bull****. There is plenty of room for debate as to the efficiency and practicality of private prisons. But the fact is that private prisons were engaged because states are getting their ass kicked when it comes to maintaining prison budgets, paying for union prison workers, and the biggie...paying for retirement. Thats not a left thing...its not a right thing...its a fiscal reality. And again...you can talk about private prisons all you like but dont pretend state prisons didnt have their own problems.

And its good that your state doesnt use private prisons. The reality is that only 8% of the TOTAL prison population is housed in private prisons.
 
VanceMack said:
Geeeeeee zus. ALWAYS the same idiotic mindless partisan stupid **** from you. Cuz...California doesnt use private prisons. Cuz....other liberal run states dont use private prisons. Cuz....state run prisons dont have any abuses.....

FM
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I want to you to seriously consider this question- who is pushing for private prisons? The left or the right?

Please answer honestly.
 
The Mark said:
Profit motive = cutting corners that shouldn't be cut.
Without stringent regulations on the conditions and treatment prisoners are required to have available, this can never work

Personally, I am of the opinion that any form of privately owned prisons or frankly most anything related to law enforcement should be utterly banned.

Clearly, oversight is not sufficient to ensure acceptable result.
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The two largest private prison companies in the US - CoreCivic and Geo Group - contributed heavily to the Trump campaign and the GOP National Committee.

The result was predictable.....

Trump Administration Giving Boost to Private Prison Campaign Donors, Leaked Memo Shows
 
VanceMack said:
No...hes full of **** spewing his typical mindless leftist bull****. There is plenty of room for debate as to the efficiency and practicality of private prisons. But the fact is that private prisons were engaged because states are getting their ass kicked when it comes to maintaining prison budgets, paying for union prison workers, and the biggie...paying for retirement. Thats not a left thing...its not a right thing...its a fiscal reality. And again...you can talk about private prisons all you like but dont pretend state prisons didnt have their own problems.

And its good that your state doesnt use private prisons. The reality is that only 8% of the TOTAL prison population is housed in private prisons.
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Private prisons have no place in this country. Period. I linked you to the reasons why. Of course state prisons have problems, but why do we need to add to those problems? Privately owned prisons have shown that they are far worse. The fact that state prisons have problems does not justify private prisons. Read the links I gave you.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
From Time Magazine:

Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates pointed out that private prisons “compare poorly” to facilities run by the federal Bureau of Prisons. The DOJ found that, in general, private prisons provide fewer correctional services at greater security and safety risk to inmates and staff, without producing substantial savings.

These results are related. To achieve their modest savings, private prisons tend to cut back on staff costs and training. More than a decade ago, researchers found that private facilities pay their officers less, provide fewer hours of training and have higher inmate-to-staff ratios, a combination which may account for their much higher turnover rate among correctional officers, as well as the uptick in inmate assaults.
...
The real reason we should end the use of private prisons is not the conventional one. The real reason is that justice should not be administered through the prism of profit. As a rule, we disfavor private prosecutors hired by the victim’s family, or judges who get paid when a defendant in her court is convicted but not when he is acquitted. In both cases, the concern is obvious: We mistrust arrangements that might lead actors in the system to stray from their duty to administer justice impartially.

The problem with the private prison is analogous, though not identical. The companies that build and run private prisons have a financial interest in the continued growth of mass incarceration. That is why the two major players in this game—the Corrections Corporation of America and the GEO Group—invest heavily in lobbying for punitive criminal justice policies and make hefty contributions to political campaigns that will increase reliance on prisons.

Why the heck should private corporations that RUN prisons be allowed to lobby for higher prison prison populations? What is the justice in allowing corporations to lobby for higher prison sentences, NOT for justice or to reduce recidivism, but to make more PROFIT?

That's not justice - that's tyranny, plain and simple.
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Until earlier this year, the New York Prison Employee pension fund was heavily invested in private prisons.

No one said private prisons dont need or deserve review. But your insertion of your typical idiot partisan bull**** into this is just....stupid. But so very 'you'.
 
leekohler2 said:
Private prisons have no place in this country. Period. I linked you to the reasons why. Of course state prisons have problems, but why do we need to add to those problems? Privately owned prisons have shown that they are far worse. The fact that state prisons have problems does not justify private prisons. Read the links I gave you.
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Do you understand why states began seeking private prison contracts?
 
VanceMack said:
Do you understand why states began seeking private prison contracts?
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Yes, and it doesn't matter. It was clearly the wrong solution. Time to scrap that idea. Private prisons have absolutely zero accountability to the voters. They need to be abolished- prisons should NEVER be for-profit institutions. That's insane on its very face for the reasons outlined in the articles I gave you.
 
VanceMack said:
Until earlier this year, the New York Prison Employee pension fund was heavily invested in private prisons.

No one said private prisons dont need or deserve review. But your insertion of your typical idiot partisan bull**** into this is just....stupid. But so very 'you'.
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Really? Prisons that pay officers less, provide fewer hours of training, have higher inmate-to-staff ratios, a much higher turnover rate among staff, and higher inmate assaults are okay with you, as long as somebody makes more of a profit?

There ARE places where the profit motive does not belong, such as schools, prisons, hospitals, law enforcement, fire departments, and defense. YES, there is and should be profit made from the equipment that each of those use...but when it comes to the actual operations of each of them, no - there should be no profit motive at all. The profit motive belongs in business...and business should never be controlling people's lives.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
From Time Magazine:

Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates pointed out that private prisons “compare poorly” to facilities run by the federal Bureau of Prisons. The DOJ found that, in general, private prisons provide fewer correctional services at greater security and safety risk to inmates and staff, without producing substantial savings.

These results are related. To achieve their modest savings, private prisons tend to cut back on staff costs and training. More than a decade ago, researchers found that private facilities pay their officers less, provide fewer hours of training and have higher inmate-to-staff ratios, a combination which may account for their much higher turnover rate among correctional officers, as well as the uptick in inmate assaults.
...
The real reason we should end the use of private prisons is not the conventional one. The real reason is that justice should not be administered through the prism of profit. As a rule, we disfavor private prosecutors hired by the victim’s family, or judges who get paid when a defendant in her court is convicted but not when he is acquitted. In both cases, the concern is obvious: We mistrust arrangements that might lead actors in the system to stray from their duty to administer justice impartially.

The problem with the private prison is analogous, though not identical. The companies that build and run private prisons have a financial interest in the continued growth of mass incarceration. That is why the two major players in this game—the Corrections Corporation of America and the GEO Group—invest heavily in lobbying for punitive criminal justice policies and make hefty contributions to political campaigns that will increase reliance on prisons.

Why the heck should private corporations that RUN prisons be allowed to lobby for higher prison prison populations? What is the justice in allowing corporations to lobby for higher prison sentences, NOT for justice or to reduce recidivism, but to make more PROFIT?

That's not justice - that's tyranny, plain and simple.
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Money buys politicians, in our current system.

Only real solution is to prevent that.
 
leekohler2 said:
Government exists to regulate commerce in the first place. Private prisons need to go- permanently. It's a disgusting concept from a moral and ethical standpoint.
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There are many reasons that government exists but to say that regulating commerce is #1 is the furthest off the mark I've ever seen. There are so many other, better reason for government to exist. I believe first and foremost, government exists to protect the rights of its people. Certainly some commerce in that.

AS for the topic of private prisons, I don't see for what you are arguing with me, nothing I said was in support of them, but until they are gone, if government oversight doesn't prevent these situations, then as I said: "shame on government too."
 
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