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Privately run prisoner transport company kept detainee shackled for 18 days in human waste, alleged

poweRob said:
Let the prisoners vote. Their voice would be the sunshine to disinfect the prisons.
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That might be the most naïve justification for prisoners voting I've ever seen.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
That might be the most naïve justification for prisoners voting I've ever seen.
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You think so do ya?

Elected officials often are the ones running the prisons. You think they'd treat masses of people like **** if it were to cause them a loss of those masses of votes?
 
Ya know...its amazing how little regard y'all have for the character and integrity of judges.

It seems like this has come up recently..........
 
poweRob said:
You think so do ya?

Elected officials often are the ones running the prisons. You think they'd treat masses of people like **** if it were to cause them a loss of those masses of votes?
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It's prison, not summer camp.
 
apdst said:
It's prison, not summer camp.
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Advice from the punishment first crowd.

The U.S. citizens in jail are still US citizens.
 
poweRob said:
You think so do ya?

Elected officials often are the ones running the prisons. You think they'd treat masses of people like **** if it were to cause them a loss of those masses of votes?
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Yes.

I would expect that state laws would properly define the conditions for prisoners who have not yet paid their debt to society.
 
biff_poindexter said:
I don't see the problem here to be quite honest. They are prisoners
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It's illegal to treat anyone this way.

And if it wasn't, I would still oppose it, on principle. Because I consider it wrong and unjust.


Plus, to cap it all, the person who sued was arrested for something he didn't do, and wrongly extradited.
So basically, the justice system kidnapped an innocent man, shackled him in a van with up to 15 other people, all who had to **** and piss on themselves because the transport company was too cheap to train it's staff to deal with prisoners, so they were not allowed to let people out of the van.

Read the story, its absolutely disgusting.
 
Cardinal said:
There is an entire segment of our country devoted to the believe that once one has been arrested he's no longer human.
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But the person who sued the involved law enforcement was innocent.

And also, **** anyone who believes that, they're wrong.
 
biglawnmower said:
its easy to show what 'liberals believe'

they want less guns on the streets, and only cops should have them. they also believe cops are corrupt and entitled

now do you see why this is funny?
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Maybe cops shouldn't have guns.

They keep misusing them.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Yes.

I would expect that state laws would properly define the conditions for prisoners who have not yet paid their debt to society.
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Why would you expect that when 1 1/2 of the two party system generally runs on being "tough on crime" which is just a pleasant way of saying, "I'll be the bigger dickhead to the prisoners than the other guy."
 
apdst said:
If you make it a civil right, it would allow non-citizens to vote.
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The voting rights act was a civil rights fight.

The Voting Rights Act of 1965, signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson, aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevented African Americans from exercising their right to vote as guaranteed under the 15th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Voting Rights Act is considered one of the most far-reaching pieces of civil rights legislation in U.S. history.​

Besides, when did you decide that any of the constitution applied to any other citizen of any other country? It has been the conservatives' notion that we could do whatever we want to guantanamo detaineees or whomever we want because the constitution and the rights therein do apply to anyone but US Citizens.
 
apdst said:
Explain this, if government run prisons are a better option.
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Are they perfect? Of course not. But you canNOT point to one incident and claim that's proof that ALL are bad. In other words, you just committed the logical fallacy of "painting with a broad brush".

What you should do - and what I'm sure you WON'T do - is to look at the big picture:

The complaint lists a litany of such horrors, but here are a few highlights: rampant rapes. Placing prisoners in solitary confinement for weeks, months or even years at a time, where the only way to get a guard's attention in an emergency is to set a fire. Rat infestations so bad that vermin crawl over prisoners; sometimes, the rats are captured, put on leashes and sold as pets to the most severely mentally ill inmates. Many suicide attempts, some successful. The untreated mentally ill throw feces, scream, start fires, electrocute themselves and self-mutilate. Denying or delaying treatment for infections and even cancer. Stabbings, beatings and other acts of violence. Juveniles being housed with adults, including one 16-year-old who was sexually assaulted by his adult cell mate. Malnourishment and chronic hunger. Officers who deal with prisoners by using physical violence.

One prisoner allegedly attempted to hang himself. He was cut down by guards, given oxygen and put on supervision, but wasn't taken to an emergency room, let alone given psychiatric care during the suicide watch. Without seeing a psychiatrist, his medication dosage was increased.

A severely ill 16-year-old with "a long history of being physically and sexually abused in addition to suffering from a traumatic brain injury, limited intellectual functioning, self-harm, and psychosis" was moved to EMCF from a juvenile detention center. His cell allegedly had a broken lock, and so other prisoners were able to enter. Five or six of them beat him. He was moved to a solitary confinement unit and, when he voiced his suicidal ideations and asked to see a psychiatrist, was deemed "manipulating to be moved".

The article continues, summarizing the problem that is obvious to all but those who refuse to see:

We have so demonized criminals in the United States that there's widespread acceptance of the fact that jail in modern day America means rapes, beatings, vermin, filth and abuse. But to what end? "Criminals" are punished, yes – brutally, and in ways that should repel and shame us. But rehabilitation isn't happening in these facilities. Crime isn't being deterred; if anything, it's being fostered.

The American public is losing out. The only winners are the private companies who are still awarded contracts to build and maintain more prisons, and who throw their weight behind politicians who promote the supposedly "tough on crime" measures that ensure those prisons are full.
 
VanceMack said:
How many times do you think it will benefit you to post the same stupid **** wen I have said several times that the private institutions certainly bear review? The question was never about whether or not private institutions needed review but your idiotic mindless partisan drivel associated with it.
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What you DON'T get is the private institutions will NOT get such "needed review"...because they are able to pay off the politicians who would otherwise have made that happen. Government-run prisons, on the other hand, ARE subject to such oversight...the kind of oversight the private institutions will never have...'cause "deregulation" is how to grow American corporations...and any politician who tries to impose such regulation on them will find himself facing an opponent with suddenly MUCH-better funding in the very next election. That's what your "Citizens United" did for America - it turned us into an oligarchy.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
What you DON'T get is the private institutions will NOT get such "needed review"...because they are able to pay off the politicians who would otherwise have made that happen. Government-run prisons, on the other hand, ARE subject to such oversight...the kind of oversight the private institutions will never have...'cause "deregulation" is how to grow American corporations...and any politician who tries to impose such regulation on them will find himself facing an opponent with suddenly MUCH-better funding in the very next election. That's what your "Citizens United" did for America - it turned us into an oligarchy.
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Again...not sure when it will sink into your bitter angry hate filled partisan brain that I have no problem with reviewing and resolving concerns about private prisons, am not arguing for or against private prisons, and have pointed out numerous times just how stupid your ridiculous need to turn every stupid ****ing topic into a mindless partisan scree makes you look.
 
VanceMack said:
Again...not sure when it will sink into your bitter angry hate filled partisan brain that I have no problem with reviewing and resolving concerns about private prisons, am not arguing for or against private prisons, and have pointed out numerous times just how stupid your ridiculous need to turn every stupid ****ing topic into a mindless partisan scree makes you look.
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Y'know, that post would have made you seem like you're really concerned about maintaining a fair and balanced point of view...except that we've seen your other posts, some of which look like you got them straight from Alex Jones.
 
The Mark said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...waste-lawsuit-alleges/?utm_term=.0964a96e5c65



Profit motive = cutting corners that shouldn't be cut.
Without stringent regulations on the conditions and treatment prisoners are required to have available, this can never work

Personally, I am of the opinion that any form of privately owned prisons or frankly most anything related to law enforcement should be utterly banned.

Clearly, oversight is not sufficient to ensure acceptable result.
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It's not only cutting corner's that's problematic with the profit model. Private prisons depend on a growing amount of prisoners in order to increase profits which can lead to all sorts of corruption. There was a case in Pennsylvania where a private prison company was paying off a juvenile court judge so he would give harsh sentences for kids in the cases under his purview.
 
ElChupacabra said:
It's not only cutting corner's that's problematic with the profit model. Private prisons depend on a growing amount of prisoners in order to increase profits which can lead to all sorts of corruption. There was a case in Pennsylvania where a private prison company was paying off a juvenile court judge so he would give harsh sentences for kids in the cases under his purview.
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There are probably places around the country where laws were changed so more people would be imprisoned.
Not to mention the private prisons make money off having the prisoners work for waaaay under min wage.

Like in California, they have the prisoners fight forest fires, for reduced sentences.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Are they perfect? Of course not. But you canNOT point to one incident and claim that's proof that ALL are bad. In other words, you just committed the logical fallacy of "painting with a broad brush".

What you should do - and what I'm sure you WON'T do - is to look at the big picture:

The complaint lists a litany of such horrors, but here are a few highlights: rampant rapes. Placing prisoners in solitary confinement for weeks, months or even years at a time, where the only way to get a guard's attention in an emergency is to set a fire. Rat infestations so bad that vermin crawl over prisoners; sometimes, the rats are captured, put on leashes and sold as pets to the most severely mentally ill inmates. Many suicide attempts, some successful. The untreated mentally ill throw feces, scream, start fires, electrocute themselves and self-mutilate. Denying or delaying treatment for infections and even cancer. Stabbings, beatings and other acts of violence. Juveniles being housed with adults, including one 16-year-old who was sexually assaulted by his adult cell mate. Malnourishment and chronic hunger. Officers who deal with prisoners by using physical violence.

One prisoner allegedly attempted to hang himself. He was cut down by guards, given oxygen and put on supervision, but wasn't taken to an emergency room, let alone given psychiatric care during the suicide watch. Without seeing a psychiatrist, his medication dosage was increased.

A severely ill 16-year-old with "a long history of being physically and sexually abused in addition to suffering from a traumatic brain injury, limited intellectual functioning, self-harm, and psychosis" was moved to EMCF from a juvenile detention center. His cell allegedly had a broken lock, and so other prisoners were able to enter. Five or six of them beat him. He was moved to a solitary confinement unit and, when he voiced his suicidal ideations and asked to see a psychiatrist, was deemed "manipulating to be moved".

The article continues, summarizing the problem that is obvious to all but those who refuse to see:

We have so demonized criminals in the United States that there's widespread acceptance of the fact that jail in modern day America means rapes, beatings, vermin, filth and abuse. But to what end? "Criminals" are punished, yes – brutally, and in ways that should repel and shame us. But rehabilitation isn't happening in these facilities. Crime isn't being deterred; if anything, it's being fostered.

The American public is losing out. The only winners are the private companies who are still awarded contracts to build and maintain more prisons, and who throw their weight behind politicians who promote the supposedly "tough on crime" measures that ensure those prisons are full.
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Government guards are protected by sovereign immunity and are practically untouchable. Civilian guards aren't.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Y'know, that post would have made you seem like you're really concerned about maintaining a fair and balanced point of view...except that we've seen your other posts, some of which look like you got them straight from Alex Jones.
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Feel free to cite one of them. You on the other hand regularly tard up every thread you walk into with your mindless partisan bull****. This thread is no exception.
 
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