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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Huh ? Sure there is. In 2016, the Obama NSA self reported ( under reported) to wide spread FISC violations and abuse going all the way back to 2011

    This included illegal upstream searches and unmaskings of US citizens. The ACLU called it one of the worst documented violations of the 4rth ammendment.

    Here's the FISC opinion on it....
    https://www.scribd.com/document/3492...der-Apr-2017-4

    Its hilarious when Libs call Trump a authoritarian. Obama took this Nation closer to a banana republic than any other President.

    I do agree that the court very likely is breaking the fourth amendment and not repealing the patriot act was my biggest disappointment of Obama's presidency.

    I did not have time to read through a ton of redacted court documents.

    What was the outcome? I would guess that they all turned out to be legal with zero repercussions.

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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So what is the issue with the Papadopoulos investigation?
    I don't have any issue with any investigation. I just haven't heard of this Papa-whatshisname FISA warrant you mentioned.

    Again...do you have a link with information about it?
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You posted the transcript of him explaining why. What part of his answer do you disagree with or believe it somehow wrong?

    Beyond that - he essentially doesn't want to be a pawn in American politics - the norm in these types of things, open and sensitive investigations, is to NOT go blabbing to the press. I'd guess what he said is classified on our end, so the question you're asking is why won't he go on TV and reveal (very likely) classified information in the middle of an investigation?

    We know Nunes does this as a matter of routine - he acted like a Fox News errand boy for the texts from Warner the Senate gave him in confidence - but Nunes is a lying hack and his behavior shouldn't be considered the norm.
    He's already a pawn. He became one when he got involved.

    I agree he should keep quiet if there is classified info involved.

    Nunes has never revealed classified information.
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I don't have any issue with any investigation.
    So the Papadopoulos was justified. I am glad we agree that there is evidence members of the Trump campaign worked with the Russians
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So the Papadopoulos was justified. I am glad we agree that there is evidence members of the Trump campaign worked with the Russians
    LOL!!

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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I am not clear on what you are asking about exactly.

    There are two main FISA warrants that we know about -- one for Carter Page and one for Papodopoulus.

    The one for Page was based on, depending on who you believe, the Steele dossier or phone calls our intelligence agencies recorded of Russians discussing his possible usefulness as an agent with connections in the Trump campaign. However, this does not seem to be what is being discussed as Nunes is talking about an investigation, beginning in the summer of 2016, into the Trumps campaign possible connections to Russians. That Page FISA warrant was not applied for until Oct 2016.

    So it seems --I say seems because the op refuses to state which investigation he is talking about, though he has denied this is about the Page investigation-- that this is about the investigation that began with a warrant on Papodopoulus. That warrant was based on a report from the Australians that Papodopoulus had told an Aussie diplomat --before the hacked emails had been released by WikiLeaks-- that the Russians had damaging info on Clinton.

    Basically, some people are getting worked up because the report from the Aussies is not "official intelligence, whatever that means, as if it is somehow news that the investigation was begun as a result of a tip from the Aussies.
    That highlights my question all along. Nunes talks about "five eyes" procedures, but as you say based on what's been reported the information clearly did NOT come from Australian intelligence services but from a diplomat who overheard a drunk guy in a bar. So I'm unclear why Nunes expected to see the "official intelligence" reports as he would if the info DID come from the Australian intelligence activities. What in the hell is "official intelligence" anyway? What's the difference between "intelligence" and "official intelligence?" Sounds made up to me.

    With Nunes, the assumption has to be he's either lying or telling half-truths in a way that function as a lie, to protect Trump. So my guess is this is a big nothing - there was no "official" intelligence because of the way the information was discovered - drunk guy in a bar. No scandal, or break in procedure.

    BTW, as always, I was disappointed in Maria B. there. I quit paying attention to her years ago when she acted as the PR arm of corporate chieftains appearing on CNBC. Like then, with Nunes she played her role well, including a breathless question about HILLARY!!! pulling the strings behind the scenes on all this. She and Nunes were playing a game of tee-ball - she set the questions up like a PR pro. So we learned exactly nothing from her questions except what talking points they'd agreed on before the "interview."

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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!

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    Yes, EXACTLY!!!

    Claims that there was anything wrong with the papadopoulos investigation should be dismissed as nonsense promoted by patisan hacks
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    He's already a pawn. He became one when he got involved.

    I agree he should keep quiet if there is classified info involved.

    Nunes has never revealed classified information.
    I'll ask again - what part of his answer don't you accept? Saying "he's already a pawn" isn't an answer. If he starts doing interviews at this point revealing what he told FBI or whoever, he's thrusting himself into the middle of our political mess and his stated reason for not doing so is he doesn't see how any good can come of that for Australia. Well, how will this diplomat help Australia by making public all the details of what he heard, who he told, when, where, etc.?

    Yeah, he did - the "Nunes memo" included classified information. And it seems highly likely Nunes or someone with his approval got the Warner texts and walked them over to Fox News like a courier. Someone on the House "Intelligence" committee did at least - the Senate handed the info over and 3 or 4 days later it was on Hannity, with markings that provided the Senate confirmation it was the documents they gave the House that were leaked.

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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!

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    It's amusing how easily you retreat...

    Or more accurately TAP OUT...

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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That highlights my question all along. Nunes talks about "five eyes" procedures, but as you say based on what's been reported the information clearly did NOT come from Australian intelligence services but from a diplomat who overheard a drunk guy in a bar.
    Exactly
    So I'm unclear why Nunes expected to see the "official intelligence" reports as he would if the info DID come from the Australian intelligence activities.
    If Aussie intel agencies had provided any info, it would have been contrary to the Five Eyes policy of not spying on each others citizens. I believe Nunes was fishing around hoping to find such spying in order to undermine the investigation into Papodopoulus --and the FBI, in general-- similar to what he tried to do with the Page investigation.

    What in the hell is "official intelligence" anyway? What's the difference between "intelligence" and "official intelligence?" Sounds made up to me.
    It is made up. If you Google the phrase, all you get is links to an album by del Ray and articles about Nunes. Nunes is the first person in history to talk about official intelligence

    With Nunes, the assumption has to be he's either lying or telling half-truths in a way that function as a lie, to protect Trump. So my guess is this is a big nothing - there was no "official" intelligence because of the way the information was discovered - drunk guy in a bar. No scandal, or break in procedure.
    Of course.

    That is why MyCroft wont explain what official intelligence is, what investigation Nunes is talking about, or what was wrong with that investigation.

    BTW, as always, I was disappointed in Maria B. there. I quit paying attention to her years ago when she acted as the PR arm of corporate chieftains appearing on CNBC. Like then, with Nunes she played her role well, including a breathless question about HILLARY!!! pulling the strings behind the scenes on all this. She and Nunes were playing a game of tee-ball - she set the questions up like a PR pro. So we learned exactly nothing from her questions except what talking points they'd agreed on before the "interview."
    Eaxctly! Nunes set it up by talking about official intelligence, which should NOT have been used, and then Barti acted as if the absence of official intelligence was some sort of scandal. Then, our resident rightwing hacks ran with it without ever once saying what wrongdoing has been discovered.

    No Official Intelligence?

    So what?
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