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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Seems pretty relevant to me, but perhaps we have different ideas of relevance.
    The Nunes memo dealt with FISA abuse...which first happened in Oct 2016. This thread's topic deals with non-FISA actions that happened in Jul 2016. Two different issues.

    Yes, that's what he said.



    Indeed, I do care. The spread of misinformation and misunderstanding in our society has reached 1984 levels, or near enough. Partisans can no longer agree, most of the time, on what the facts are--and what Bartiromo did is a classic example of why such is the case. Notice that both left and right engage the process; conservatives in this thread were just as ready to decry the fact that "no official intelligence was used to start the investigation!" as liberals were to call Nunes a lying scumbag who shouldn't be believed. My hope is that none of them actually watched the interview and hence were making assumptions about what was going on...but I suspect that's probably not true in all the present cases.
    Sorry, I don't share your heartburn over talking potato heads. I tend to just ignore them. I'm more interested in the facts presented. Perhaps you have difficulty separating the two.
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    The prosecutors and judges would be the ones involved in the approval of the fisa warrants.
    From released documents and other information, those prosecutors don't appear to be people who should be held up as examples of virtue or credibility. In fact, a number of them are included in those fired, retired or resigned people I mentioned.

    The judges, unfortunately, appear to have been manipulated by those prosecutors.
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    The firings were for political purposes, ie obstruction.

    The demotions we're just for appearances for the investigation. They were done purely so their is as little ammo for people like you to try to spread disinformation trying to discredit the investigation.

    The charges are just red herrings/Scooby snacks for cult trump, with a bit desperation thrown in.
    The firings were for cause.

    I have a different take on the demotions: These are people who are singing. In return, they get to keep a job and they'll avoid prosecution.

    The charges are serious. Just ask McCabe. He lost his retirement because he lied, lied again, and again...and then he tried to blame someone else...until he finally admitted his actions and got fired for them. Now he's been referred for criminal prosecution by the DOJ OIG...and he's scrambling for money in various ways to pay for his defense. I don't think he'd call that stuff "red herrings/Scooby snacks".
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The Nunes memo dealt with FISA abuse...which first happened in Oct 2016. This thread's topic deals with non-FISA actions that happened in Jul 2016. Two different issues.



    Sorry, I don't share your heartburn over talking potato heads. I tend to just ignore them. I'm more interested in the facts presented. Perhaps you have difficulty separating the two.

    There is virtually no such thing as "FISA abuse" the patriot act gave that process unlimited powers to investigate dangers to our nation. Personally I do not think the power that they have is constitutional. However in this case we would have an entire staff of Russian oporatives in our Whitehouse. As it is we have been able to thin some of the off.

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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The firings were for cause.

    I have a different take on the demotions: These are people who are singing. In return, they get to keep a job and they'll avoid prosecution.

    The charges are serious. Just ask McCabe. He lost his retirement because he lied, lied again, and again...and then he tried to blame someone else...until he finally admitted his actions and got fired for them. Now he's been referred for criminal prosecution by the DOJ OIG...and he's scrambling for money in various ways to pay for his defense. I don't think he'd call that stuff "red herrings/Scooby snacks".
    What prosecutors have been charged with anything?



    Mcabe is just trump abusing his power to warn others that as the Don he demands 100% loyalty.

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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by post View Post
    Please document your claim. The history indicates no one was impacted directly by anything Nunes did, said, wrote, or claimed.
    In fact, Robert Mueller, McCabe, and the FBI IG actually did what you are crediting Nunes with doing. Nunes performed only in the role of Trump cheerleader
    and useful idiot.
    Nunes is the one that uncovered the original evidence. It was that dsclosure that got the IG involved.
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by MovingPictures View Post
    Just when I think you can't sound anymore foolish, you find a way outdo yourself again.

    The Nunes memo (the one that you worship as the infallible truth) outright acknowledges that it was Popadopolous that triggered the FBI probe, not the Carter Page surveillance.

    Here it is in big red font, so you can't say you didn't see it.


    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...unes-memo.html

    You've stated that you've read this memo before so I can conclude at this point that you have terrible memory, you didn't actually read it, or you're just a lying hack with no shame.
    Your lacking of any semblence of common sense and or objectivity doesing make me or anyone else a " lying hack "

    If Papadopoulos was such a integral amd seminal figure, why did the FBI obtain 4 FISA warrants on CARTER PAGE instead of Papadopoulos ?

    Why rely on the dossier at all ?

    Why wasn't Papadoplous included in the EC's final JAR report ? There's zero mention of of him ? Why wasn't he part of the Intel that Clapper, Brennan and Comey used to brief Congress ?

    Why hadnt Clapper heard of him ? Why did the FBI wait until January to interview him ?
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    There is virtually no such thing as "FISA abuse" the patriot act gave that process unlimited powers to investigate dangers to our nation. Personally I do not think the power that they have is constitutional. However in this case we would have an entire staff of Russian oporatives in our Whitehouse. As it is we have been able to thin some of the off.
    sigh...

    The FISA system has, in fact, been abused a number of times. One of which times was stopped by actions of NSA Director Rogers. The abuse happened during the Obama administration and it was stopped during the Obama administration.

    Tell you what. Given your lack of knowledge, I see no point continuing this discussion.

    You are dismissed.
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Your lacking of any semblence of common sense and or objectivity doesing make me or anyone else a " lying hack "

    If Papadopoulos was such a integral amd seminal figure, why did the FBI obtain 4 FISA warrants on CARTER PAGE instead of Papadopoulos ?

    Why rely on the dossier at all ?

    Why wasn't Papadoplous included in the EC's final JAR report ? There's zero mention of of him ? Why wasn't he part of the Intel that Clapper, Brennan and Comey used to brief Congress ?

    Why hadnt Clapper heard of him ? Why did the FBI wait until January to interview him ?
    And why won't the guy that drunken Papa-whatshisname talked to talk to the media about it?

    Video and transcript here: Did Alexander Downer meet Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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    Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    You know this subject matter better than I--what role did all this play in acquiring the FISA warrant?
    I am not clear on what you are asking about exactly.

    There are two main FISA warrants that we know about -- one for Carter Page and one for Papodopoulus.

    The one for Page was based on, depending on who you believe, the Steele dossier or phone calls our intelligence agencies recorded of Russians discussing his possible usefulness as an agent with connections in the Trump campaign. However, this does not seem to be what is being discussed as Nunes is talking about an investigation, beginning in the summer of 2016, into the Trumps campaign possible connections to Russians. That Page FISA warrant was not applied for until Oct 2016.

    So it seems --I say seems because the op refuses to state which investigation he is talking about, though he has denied this is about the Page investigation-- that this is about the investigation that began with a warrant on Papodopoulus. That warrant was based on a report from the Australians that Papodopoulus had told an Aussie diplomat --before the hacked emails had been released by WikiLeaks-- that the Russians had damaging info on Clinton.

    Basically, some people are getting worked up because the report from the Aussies is not "official intelligence, whatever that means, as if it is somehow news that the investigation was begun as a result of a tip from the Aussies.
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