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German town braces for neo-Nazi concert on Hitler's birthday

ecofarm said:
So you claim it. I'll give you credit for that. Case closed.
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No, I did not claim it. YOU claimed it.
My comment is to mock you...

Where's all these racist posts you say you have read on this thread authored by Bob and me? C'mon, put your money where your mouth is and post them.

You started this, so you ought to have the integrity to finish it.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Your false claim that we posted racist post that you somehow cant point to? Yes, certainly is worthless crap indeed.
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I pointed to it throughout the thread. Try reading it.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, it's not.



I am not portraying anyone as anything, I accept the reality that different groups of people have different values then me and I accept their right to live in countries that enforce them. you on the other hand, apparently believe there is no differences and that we all have common global values, which is objectively untrue.
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I see that you and eco have taken this line of discussion in a direction that does not particularly interest me right now. So, separately from what you two are talking about, I'm trying to figure out why you think that common global values cannot exist. That isn't to say that some values will differ within a diverse society. I mean, look at the US. We share many values and we differ on even more of them. So circumcisions and beheadings aside, why can't common values exist that bind a global society? I don't know if you're a fan of science fiction, but if so, imagine the qualities and concepts that exist among entire races and planets and galaxies and alliances of them all in those stories. Consider the UN and international law. If we can generally agree that slavery is bad and piracy is bad and freedom of movement is good and impartial justice is good, then we're already on the way, aren't we? Maybe one day we'll all agree to abolish the death penalty, eliminate currency, disregard religions, become vegetarians, whatever. My point is that you seem to me to be overly dismissive of globalization because you think nationalism works better when, in my opinion, it clearly does not.
 
Anthony60 said:
Obama fanning the flames of racism, pitting blacks against whites, really motivated them to get moving again.
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My old white fart bar always amused me.
Nixxer every 5 min and they blamed Obama for division.
Never saw the irony
 
ecofarm said:
I pointed to it throughout the thread. Try reading it.
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Sure you did. Let me fill you in on how a debate board works, when you make a claim you are expected to back it. Now it looks especially bad when you are asked multiple times and wont back your claim. It screams "I am full of crap" loud and clear.
 
trixare4kids said:
Tell me why you really made this thread? You sure have derailed it from the original subject... why is that?
And don't tell me that you do not point your fingers primarily at the right because you have heavily played racial identity politics throughout this thread.
You want a productive conversation, stop being so intellectually dishonest.

Birthism was NOT primarily about blackness and racism. It was also about dirty smear politics utilized by Clinton's lifelong confident and aide Blumenthal during the primaries, and those who wanted McCain for president. There has never been a study that proves racism was the primary tenet behind birthism. And as you have been told here before, the seed for distrusting that Obama was a citizen of the US was planted inadvertently by the publisher of Obama's book. From there, the idea bloomed into a tool meant to keep Obama from a)becoming the Democratic Party's candidate and b) becoming the 44th president of the US
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Then let's get the thread back on the tracks, although if you'll be honest, you'll admit that I didn't derail it in the first place. I refer you to post # 5.

MateoMtnClimber said:
That would be a simpleton's view of the situation. The current American president and Brexit are effects of the problem to which I alluded, not the causes, although they do contribute to it. White nationalism is most of the problem. I think it was triggered by immigration in Europe. In the US, it was the first black president. Populism found a resurgence on both continents when the global economy collapsed in 2008; and sensing a scarcity of resources, people wanted to close themselves off to the world because their fear overwhelmed their rationality. Finally, liberalism has been, in my opinion, a process of two steps forward and one step backward for centuries. We're in a backward step now, a natural correction. The European refugee situation, the first black American president, the Great Recession, and liberalism's natural ebb and flow created the perfect environment for Nazi emboldenment like the OP detailed. It's allowed far right groups to crawl out of the sewers and advocate for bygone days based on imagined racial superiority and constructed national identity. I have no doubt that forward progress will begin again sometime in the next decade or so, but questions like yours remind me how deep these artificial divisions have become.
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YorkshirePete said:
Seen an all white trump rally recently?
Not a brown face or college degree in sight
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How many have you been to recently? How does one see a college degree in the crowd, btw?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
no? well then what stops the critical mass from marching into their office and demanding democracy?

so lets look at some examples of ended dictatorships

Argentina: Country demanded democracy, generals failed to win war, stepped down
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No not exactly. The coup was in many ways at the behest of the US. It took down a popular left leaning Eva Peron. Embolden by their power, they saw an opportunity to bring a very pissed off country together by trying to get back stolen (in their eyes) land. They would only have done so if they knew that no superpower would involve itself or back anyone to do so. What they did not count on was a bitch in London having uranium balls and calling their bluff.

Chile: Pinochet narrowly lost election, stepped down
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Wow, talk about revisionist bs there. Pinochet took power from a democratically elected leftist leader. He butchered leftists for years, killing 10s of thousands if not more. He let in nazi war criminals to train his secret police.. some say at the behest of the US who backed his coup 100%. When the cold war ended, the US had no more use for him and the fact that he was getting old did not help. He tried to save his political skin but it failed.

Romania: President wrecked economy, country rebelled, president captured and executed
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There is only one dictator after WW2 that was worse than Ceausescu and that was Pol Pot.. well Kim in North Korea might beat him too, but barely. The **** Ceausescu would have Stalin puking. That is why they rebelled... he lost Moscows backing and he died the brutal death that he deserved.. hell if it could have been more brutal, then it would have been better.

South Africa: long term rebellion results in majority winning representative government
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Pft, whitewashing. South Africa was another of the US/UK "plugs" against the spread of communism in the world. They were tolerated and backed in secret. The world threw sanctions on the, kicked them out of the UN and other organisations.. and banned them from sports and culture. No business was going on.. and yet South Africa survived and flourished.. so much that it happened to invade other countries that fell under leftist governments.. odd no? Also how funny that South Africa managed to acquire nuclear tech and supposedly even test a nuke without having the might US come down on them... hell sanctions were even eased after it happened. When their usefulness was ending and they became too much of a liability, that was when the racist pigs that ran the country finally realized that either they give up power peacefully or end up dangling from lamp posts.

see societies of people who want more rights can get them.
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As long as the society is controlled by someone powerful or one with powerful allies, then people cant do **** other than suffer. Assad is a modern day example. He is there because Russia wants him to be there. The list of such dictatorships goes on. Sadly when such societies finally do rise up, they often replace one dictator with another and cause just as much crimes and death in retaliation against the old oppressors. Facts of life.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
German town braces for neo-Nazi concert on Hitler's birthday - ABC News

"A small town in Germany's far east braced Friday for the arrival of hundreds of neo-Nazis planning to attend a music festival timed to coincide with Adolf Hitler's birthday."

There's got to be a way to drive Nazis underground again. They've been emboldened by the state of American and European politics, but we cannot allow them to get comfortable in society.
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There is.

Ignore them.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Then let's get the thread back on the tracks, although if you'll be honest, you'll admit that I didn't derail it in the first place. I refer you to post # 5.
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You mean your post? When one labels other's views "simpleton" that is a derail. (see your post #5)

Go ahead, get your thread back on track, and stop playing the race card.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No it's not. misuse of nationalism is, nationalism is a neutral force.
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No, it's not. Nationalism is a toxic belief that your superiority over someone else comes just from being born in a certain place.

and it's a moot point anyway because a society without nationalism is for all intents and purposes impossible.
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I don't think you understand what nationalism actually is.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
German town braces for neo-Nazi concert on Hitler's birthday - ABC News

"A small town in Germany's far east braced Friday for the arrival of hundreds of neo-Nazis planning to attend a music festival timed to coincide with Adolf Hitler's birthday."

There's got to be a way to drive Nazis underground again. They've been emboldened by the state of American and European politics, but we cannot allow them to get comfortable in society.
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They always try to rally or do something on his birthday. I used to live in Hamburg and saw a lot of neo Nazi rallies myself. There is always a spike in their activities around 420. There are also neo Nazis holding office in Dresden, and they turn the anniversary of the firr bombing into a neo Nazi whine fest. They love playing victim.
 
ecofarm said:
The post brought up Antifa. The most pathetic boogeyman of this century. They were in the news, once, for one week, and white nationalists (and innocent misinformed people) pretend they're a threat. It's obviously a white nationalist narrative. Pointing fingers at boogeymen is a time honored tactic of deflection.

The post also considers BLM a terrorist organization. That's obvious racism.
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Antifa members were arrested, just today, in Georgia.

You miss a lot.

Don't you?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...end-georgia-town-competing-rallies/538857002/
 
SheWolf said:
They always try to rally or do something on his birthday. I used to live in Hamburg and saw a lot of neo Nazi rallies myself. There is always a spike in their activities around 420. There are also neo Nazis holding office in Dresden, and they turn the anniversary of the firr bombing into a neo Nazi whine fest. They love playing victim.
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don't these neo-nazis know that hitler was born in Austria, not germany?
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
I was wondering when you would show up to defend Nazis. You're a little late. I'm afraid we've run out of the president's favorite flavor of psycho Kool-Aid.
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So, you would be ok with repealing the 1st Amendment?
 
trixare4kids said:
You mean your post? When one labels other's views "simpleton" that is a derail. (see your post #5)

Go ahead, get your thread back on track, and stop playing the race card.
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Stop it. Now you're just ****ing with me. You and ecofarm can **** on each other all you want, but I'm not going to tolerate it. There are literally five posts. Go read them before you wrongly accuse me of something that never happened.

Here. I'll help you. I made the OP. Bob asked whether I was blaming Nazis on the current American president and Brexit. I said that would be a simpleton's view.

So tell me: Who did I call a simpleton and what did I derail?

Either participate in the debate or go troll a different thread.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Antifa are all about that social justice, so they naturally have some apologist sympathizers here.
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The social warriors are making things worse, much worse. The neo's had dwindled down to a little trickle and no one paid attention to the poorly attended rallies. Then, Obama announced that it was time to get rid of the Confederate Flag and that got everyone going. The libs decided they would be social heroes and they started opposing anything Right of center - that naturally led to a buildup of the neo's and we've been seeing the "showdowns" for the past couple of years. Now, it's a "thing" again. Just goes to show how liberals are their own worst enemies.
 
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