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North Korea to stop nuclear tests and missile launches: state media

trump better set up a meeting fast....Seems the North and South are moving along well without him....trump seems desperate to claim credit , and run his mouth about how great he is
 
Mycroft said:
What is China's policy? After all, that's what really matters.
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From what little I have gathered.
No, China and US policy is critical. A host of issues are linked.

China is concerned about Regime stability. If NK retains and or expands nuke capabilities, China worries that Japan will go Nuke and possibly the US may deploy Nukes to SK. In SK, many want the country to build their own nukes.

So, China would, if all went Nuke be facing Nukes from India, NK, SK???, Japan and the US.

China has taken the public line that there is little they can do to change NK policy. Partly true, sanctions on specific products have caused an impact, significant at that on industry, farming, transportation due to the lack of refined oil products. That said, there are tons of gaps, well known to the Chinese, who allow these to operate.

Neither do they want a war.
A US pre-emptive is loaded with substantial risk. At a minimum, the Regime craters, mass migration from NK to China. China presently has 300 K, on the border, up from 100 K.

China does not want the NK Regime to crater as that would result in reunification and the US on the Chinese border.

Some may or may not be surprises, but NK has no love for China. Both use the other

If you look to Chinese/Korean history, and they both have unsolved border disputes. The 1st leader of NK purged Russian supporters from the Regime, followed a few years later by Chinese supports as well.

NK sees that in the long term, China is more of a threat to security, economically & militarily than the US.

So, to be truthful, I really do not know what China's policy will be in these negotiations
 
China's relationship with North Korea is unclear. We know they've been frustrated by Kim's behavior, concerned over his nuclear detonations and missile testing and pressured by the US over trade with North Korea. One would expect they are concerned Kim's conduct could provoke a terrible reaction from Trump, it certainly has seemed this was likely until very recently. Likewise the Chinese know the history of past US dealings with North Korea and likely have a better read on internal circumstances in the "hermit kingdom" from a constant flow of impoverished North Koreans. They share a border and China would be naturally worried about the massive US military presence in South Korea.

China would ideally seek a non-militarized Korean peninsula where it could exert greater influence as a substantial trading partner, to somehow displace South Korea's primary trading partner, acquire their advanced technology in a variety of highly successful enterprises, displace US military forces and replace North Korea's with their own, to induce South Korean investment and development of it's neighbor and foster the development of a unified Chinese ally under their control.

South Korea would naturally be wary of any Chinese influence, they know China militarily supported North Korea during the war and is actively involved in the North's military procurements, they know how China evades the sanctions regime and are likely to resist any Chinese role in efforts to improve relations. South Korea is also quite grateful for the long-term effort the US has made to help them become one of the world's leading economies, a prosperous, free and democratic republic that is a model across Asia.

The future of North Korea is a long-term game, China is very good at this and could be strategizing for it already. Trump is looking for quick and tangible gains, he wants success before the next election. He can get this, but he has to engage both Kim and the South Koreans, plus the Chinese and these are all long-term players. I expect they will all agree to give Trump "window dressings" that will show his success by election time, but that each will be subtly pushing for somewhat abstract long term goals which will shape the eventual outcome we won't see for another decade.
 
Plus Ultra said:
The future of North Korea is a long-term game, China is very good at this and could be strategizing for it already. Trump is looking for quick and tangible gains, he wants success before the next election. He can get this, but he has to engage both Kim and the South Koreans, plus the Chinese and these are all long-term players. I expect they will all agree to give Trump "window dressings" that will show his success by election time, but that each will be subtly pushing for somewhat abstract long term goals which will shape the eventual outcome we won't see for another decade.
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I tend to agree with you, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised is the actuality was that the DPRK/PRC/ROK ended up telling Mr. Trump what the outcome was going to be and then offering him the option of "arranging" it, or being left standing in the rain.
 
It just keeps getting better:
South Korea has stopped broadcasting propaganda via loudspeakers along the border with North Korea, ahead of top-level talks later this week.

South Korea's move was aimed at "reducing military tensions between the South and North and creating the mood of peaceful talks", the Ministry of National Defense said in a statement to the Yonhap news agency.
South Korea turns off loudspeaker broadcasts into North - BBC News
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Barnacle said:
Here is a nice article - written by senator Perdue - for all you pessimists and never-Trumpers who secretly hope for the failure of this historical event:


"... Thanks to President Trump’s firm stand in support of sanctions against North Korea, that nation’s rogue regime’s back is against the wall and it appears Kim is beginning to recognize the weakness of his position. We have a real opportunity for dialogue with North Korea as a result. ...

In many of our meetings with U.S. diplomatic personnel, Chinese and Korean officials, and even North Korean defectors there was a common message: President Trump’s sanctions are working.

The entire charm offensive North Korea has been on as of late is the direct result of unprecedented economic and political pressure brought about due to President Trump. That was evident when we arrived in Beijing: our visit coincided with Kim’s first official trip out of the country to meet with President Xi. ..."

Sen. David Perdue: Trump's North Korea policy is succeeding | Fox News


Thank you, President Trump! :)
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You forgot to thank South Korea and China, but Trump does need that pat on the head. Or is that a Forbes magazine swatting his ass?
 
JANFU said:
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...uclear-tests-and-missile-launches-state-media


Quite the change in policy. Just breaking now.
Thoughts are?

North Korea's Kim Jong Un Says He Will Stop Testing Missiles Ahead of Trump Meeting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b3c5a3da888_story.html?utm_term=.7c85ff83a298
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Trump is already taking credit for making progress that no other POTUS has done before, according to Trump. As it is, Trump misunderstands what Kim means by "denuclearization", anyway. Still, if and when the whole thing goes sideways, he'll lay the blame elsewhere and/or take credit for putting a stop to the whole thing. Meanwhile, Kim gets worldwide acknowledgement as a nuclear power for Trump having recognized him by initiating an official meeting between heads of state, which is all Kim wants out of this.
 
Plus Ultra said:
For those who belabor DPRK's past deceptions:

“When the president says that he will not make the mistakes of the past, that means the U.S. will not be making substantial concessions, such as lifting sanctions, until North Korea has substantially dismantled its nuclear programs,” a senior Trump administration official told the Journal. Page Not Found | 404 | TheHill
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Which reads (to the government of the DPRK) as "WE aren't going to do anything, or even agree to do anything, until you do everything WE want done AND WE are the sole authority to decide if you have complied AND if WE decide that you haven't complied then WE aren't going to do anything even if WE said that WE would. Oh yes, and WE retain complete authority to define what WE want you to do - even if what WE tell you to do today is the exact opposite of what WE told you to do yesterday."
 
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