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Democratic Party files suit alleging Russia, the Trump campaign, and WikiLeaks conspired to disrupt

trixare4kids said:
Excuse me?
You might want to read or reread the definition of a target that I posted for you above.

Trump is not a target because there is NO substantial evidence, no evidence! Why would they charge Trump if there's no evidence, no substantial evidence?


Now let's review what you originally claimed:


You are playing word games.
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OK, I will help you out with a lesson on basic English. See the word "substantial"? It is being used as a what is known as a qualifier. It qualifies the word evidence. It means while there may be evidence, there is not alot, or in the legal case, enough to act upon. That is not the same thing as "none". Neither you, nor I, nor any one not part of the investigation, knows what, if any, evidence of Trump illegal activities are known. And lastly, "The Trump Campaign" consists of more people than Trump, most of whom do not have the assurance they are not targets.

If you ever need help with basic English again, do not hesitate to ask. As a parting gesture, I will help you with a basic technique for successful debate: never overstate your case. When you do, you will always end up looking silly.
 
Deuce said:
The FBI isn’t weaponized, you’re just so partisan that any investigation of conservatives, to you, must be done by other conservatives.

Name one liberal you would trust to investigate Trump.
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Comey, Mueller, Rothstein etc are all Republicans...I think they just believe no one should have the power to investigate Trump at all.
 
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So this is what desperation smells like.
 
Jesus, you would think these people would eventually run out of ways to beclown themselves. You can smell the stink of desperation in the air. They are on an endless fishing expedition in an empty lake. And they look like angry fools without any message for the American people beyond "we hate Donald Trump." And that's not enough. not near enough.
 
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Moon said:
So this is what desperation smells like.
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Yep; dems just realized that Mueller is not gonna come up with a happy ending for them and that the muh-Russia story is done and over with. :lol:

In order to be able to send idiotic fund-raising emails like the recent one from Pelosi, they have to continue their pathetic grand-standing for their even more pathetic voters.
 
Cardinal said:
They didn't do "an internal review." The FBI's endorsement of the analysis is good, as is the confirmation by Dutch Intelligence that they were hacked. The most important point isn't that they were hacked or that Russians did it. Both of these have long since been established. The interesting point will be whether lawyers for the DNC can adequately argue that multiple attempts by the Trump campaign to conspire in fraud against the DNC in specific and the elections in general. This will be a civil case so a jury or judge will merely need to be convinced that there is reasonable evidence to agree with the DNC.
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I can't wait to watch this circus. It'll be a good one.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Jesus, you would think these people would eventually run out of ways to beclown themselves. You can smell the stink of desperation in the air. They are on an endless fishing expedition in an empty lake. And they look like angry fools without any message for the American people beyond "we hate Donald Trump." And that's not enough. not near enough.
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They STILL haven't figured out how President Trump got elected...lol
 
Redress said:
OK, I will help you out with a lesson on basic English. See the word "substantial"? It is being used as a what is known as a qualifier. It qualifies the word evidence. It means while there may be evidence, there is not alot, or in the legal case, enough to act upon. That is not the same thing as "none". Neither you, nor I, nor any one not part of the investigation, knows what, if any, evidence of Trump illegal activities are known. And lastly, "The Trump Campaign" consists of more people than Trump, most of whom do not have the assurance they are not targets.

If you ever need help with basic English again, do not hesitate to ask. As a parting gesture, I will help you with a basic technique for successful debate: never overstate your case. When you do, you will always end up looking silly.
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It's being used as spin, not a qualifier. The fact is, if there isn't enough to convict, there's no evidence of a crime. Spin it however you want, but that's the fact.
 
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danarhea said:
I think the reason that the lawsuit was filed was, not for the money, but for discovery. This is a pretty ruthless move, considering that Democrats have no spine. I guess we can now call them honorary Republicans. LOL.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2c910b4bf12c

Here is the actual filing.
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Agreed. This is a rather interesting move. Surely it shores up the Mueller probe as it opens another investigative front such that it will become clearer to Trump that firing Rosenstein will not make this all go away. It also will give the party more direct access to some of the inter-circle players (Trump Jr and Kushiner). It will also give the party direct access to the testimony of the key players. In essence, its an insurance policy on the truth.

Moreover, if there was malfeasance, the threshold of proof is a lower while news conduit is not under the control of the DoJ. Hence, this effort should also act to keep the DoJ accountable to the people.
 
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apdst said:
It's being used as spin, not a qualifier. The fact is, if there isn't enough to convict, there's no evidence of a crime. Spin it however you want, but that's the fact.
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I love watching people use the OJ defense...

Hint: the word "substantial" was from a definition, so unless you are suggesting the law is spin, you are wrong.
 
Redress said:
I love watching people use the OJ defense...

Hint: the word "substantial" was from a definition, so unless you are suggesting the law is spin, you are wrong.
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That how our system works. Sucks for your side. Don't it?
 
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This is kinda funny in a way. The public will see it for what it is, just more perpetual whining and crying about losing an election.

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Moon said:
So this is what desperation smells like.
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No, desperation smells like the excitement people get when the Mueller memos are released and people think they exonerate Trump OR when Mueller tells Trump he isn't a target and people think that exonerates Trump OR when Denis Nunes makes a statement and people think that exonerates Trump. No, desperation is with those desperate to hear that Trump is free and clear.

Trump's quickest path to exoneration is to let this all play out. Desperation is with those that can not face what Mueller (or now the DNC) might find. The truth is suppose to set you free, unless of course your guilty, then the truth will get you 5 to 10.

NonoBadDog said:
This is kinda funny in a way. The public will see it for what it is, just more perpetual whining and crying about losing an election.
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Either a very disingenuous statement OR the statement of someone that does not grasp what the real issues are regarding the Russian interference in the US elections and the incredible intertwining of members of the Trump campaign and various Russians. It has nothing to do with losing an election and everything to do with an existential threat to our democracy.
 
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apdst said:
It's being used as spin, not a qualifier. The fact is, if there isn't enough to convict, there's no evidence of a crime. Spin it however you want, but that's the fact.
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That's what they said about Hillary. Yet, the hack-tards still shouted "lock her up."

It appears to me that the left and the right share something in common.

Myself, as I have said here many times before, I don't think there was any intent to collude on DJT's shoulder's, however, I can't say that about the team surrounding him. I take DJT to be the kind of guy, with enough flattery and self-benefit, that can turn a blind eye yet distance himself from any hint of intentional "collusion." (Is collusion even illegal?)

Not to be redundant, but everybody is flapping their gums EXCEPT Mueller, et al. They may be, and have been, looking at something entirely different from the collusion suspicions. No one knows where the evidence of the investigation has led them. I don't know and neither do you.

Meanwhile, I will quietly stand in the back of the room observing and noting all these declarations from all the "know-it-all" arm chair, cable news, political experts here at Debate Politics, and gather up all my "Neener! Neener's" for when the hammer really does drop and the cat is let out of the bag.

But it does my heart good, when I see a Trumptard whining about Hillary, just like the lefty-libtards whines about the Teflon Don. (I get so tickled with those blathering idiots who think they know it all. They all (left/right) use the same insults and use the same excuses. (Only for a different team.) Just to know everyone shares something in common is encouraging. It's a start. LOL!

Have a nice weekend.
 
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danarhea said:
I think the reason that the lawsuit was filed was, not for the money, but for discovery. This is a pretty ruthless move, considering that Democrats have no spine. I guess we can now call them honorary Republicans. LOL.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2c910b4bf12c

Here is the actual filing.
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Ruthless ? More like desperate and predictable

Its their attempt to shift the narrative from the McCabe and Comey show.

Thanks to Comeys memo's we now know his meeting with Trump to discuss the salacious allegations contained in the dossier was a set up from the get go

CNN needed a " hook " before they could publish the unverified allegations contained in the dossier about Russian prostitutes, so Clapper sent Comey to meet with Trump under the pretense of warning him

CNN published their story immediately after the meeting.

Brennan did the same thing when he briefed Congress on the dossier
 
Captain America said:
That's what they said about Hillary. Yet, the hack-tards still shouted "lock her up."

It appears to me that the left and the right share something in common.

Myself, as I have said here many times before, I don't think there was any intent to collude on DJT's shoulder's, however, I can't say that about the team surrounding him. I take DJT to be the kind of guy, with enough flattery and self-benefit, that can turn a blind eye yet distance himself from any hint of intentional "collusion." (Is collusion even illegal?)

Not to be redundant, but everybody is flapping their gums EXCEPT Mueller, et al. They may be, and have been, looking at something entirely different from the collusion suspicions. No one knows where the evidence of the investigation has led them. I don't know and neither do you.

Meanwhile, I will quietly stand in the back of the room observing and noting all these declarations from all the "know-it-all" arm chair, cable news, political experts here at Debate Politics, and gather up all my "Neener! Neener's" for when the hammer really does drop and the cat is let out of the bag.

But it does my heart good, when I see a Trumptard whining about Hillary, just like the lefty-libtards whines about the Teflon Don. (I get so tickled with those blathering idiots who think they know it all. They all (left/right) use the same insults and use the same excuses. (Only for a different team.) Just to know everyone shares something in common is encouraging. It's a start. LOL!

Have a nice weekend.
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Except with Clinton, there was sustantial evidence. Luckily for her, there were people in the FBI willing to cover for her. They were so certain she was going to win, they wanted to make damn sure they got noticed for keeping her out of a criminal charge.

Working this weekend...it'll suck donkey balls.
 
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upsideguy said:
No, desperation smells like the excitement people get when the Mueller memos are released and people think they exonerate Trump OR when Mueller tells Trump he isn't a target and people think that exonerates Trump OR when Denis Nunes makes a statement and people think that exonerates Trump. No, desperation is with those desperate to hear that Trump is free and clear.

Trump's quickest path to exoneration is to let this all play out. Desperation is with those that can not face what Mueller (or now the DNC) might find. The truth is suppose to set you free, unless of course your guilty, then the truth will get you 5 to 10.



Either a very disingenuous statement OR the statement of someone that does not grasp what the real issues are regarding the Russian interference in the US elections and the incredible intertwining of members of the Trump campaign and various Russians. It has nothing to do with losing an election and everything to do with an existential threat to our democracy.
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You mean the Comey memo's ? Where he tells Trump that CNN was looking for a " news hook " to run a story on the dossier ?
And that he met with Trump at the behest of James Clapper ?

CNN published their story on the dossier soon after that meeting referencing a " high level official " as their source

The House Select Committee on Russian interference said Clappers testimony on his contacts with the media at the time were " inconsistent.

The meeting was set up to legitimize the allegations so CNN could run with them. It was a PR campaign all along and Brennan did the same thing when he briefed Congress on the dossiers contents.
 
apdst said:
Except with Clinton, there was sustantial evidence. Luckily for her, there were people in the FBI willing to cover for her. They were so certain she was going to win, they wanted to make damn sure they got noticed for keeping her out of a criminal charge.

Working this weekend...it'll suck donkey balls.
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That's what the left is going to say if DJT gets off the hook. You guys! Get a room! :lamo

Sorry you gotta work but it's good to have a job. It's those weekends I don't have to "work" that leave me with aches and pains, tired to the bone. I gotta go back to work just to take a break. LOL!
 
Captain America said:
That's what the left is going to say if DJT gets off the hook. You guys! Get a room! :lamo

Sorry you gotta work but it's good to have a job. It's those weekends I don't have to "work" that leave me with aches and pains, tired to the bone. I gotta go back to work just to take a break. LOL!
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That's a no ****ter! LOL
 
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upsideguy said:
No, desperation smells like the excitement people get when the Mueller memos are released and people think they exonerate Trump OR when Mueller tells Trump he isn't a target and people think that exonerates Trump OR when Denis Nunes makes a statement and people think that exonerates Trump. No, desperation is with those desperate to hear that Trump is free and clear.

Trump's quickest path to exoneration is to let this all play out. Desperation is with those that can not face what Mueller (or now the DNC) might find. The truth is suppose to set you free, unless of course your guilty, then the truth will get you 5 to 10.



Either a very disingenuous statement OR the statement of someone that does not grasp what the real issues are regarding the Russian interference in the US elections and the incredible intertwining of members of the Trump campaign and various Russians. It has nothing to do with losing an election and everything to do with an existential threat to our democracy.
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No, this is desperation.
 
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Fenton said:
You mean the Comey memo's ? Where he tells Trump that CNN was looking for a " news hook " to run a story on the dossier ?
And that he met with Trump at the behest of James Clapper ?

CNN published their story on the dossier soon after that meeting referencing a " high level official " as their source

The House Select Committee on Russian interference said Clappers testimony on his contacts with the media at the time were " inconsistent.

The meeting was set up to legitimize the allegations so CNN could run with them. It was a PR campaign all along and Brennan did the same thing when he briefed Congress on the dossiers contents.
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Yep, the smell of desperation....
 
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