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Read: James Comey's memos

Still wasn't.

Comey investigating a guy Trump knows for a fact is guilty, Trump tries to get Comey to back off and then fires him.

Dance dance dance, right wingers.
 
That you are being serious is sad. Bernie isn't about new ideas, he's about the tired old belief that Government bureaucrats can dictate a better world. That free markets and profit are evil, we've heard this song and dance, it's a failed idea.

Failed idea? Many socialist countries in the EU, for example, would disagree with you. Granted there is much higher taxation across the board and individual choices are reduced but, hey, they think they're diverse and don't plan on spending so much of their budget on defense.:)
 
Mueller has kept a tight lid on his investigation.

"Tight lid"? Are you kidding? Where in the hell do you think that all these leaks of "people familiar with the investigation" are coming from? Get real man....

Did anyone see the indictments his probe has produced coming? There was no warning they were coming until they were there.

What other than the 13 Russians (that have zero chance of ever seeing a courtroom) does Muller have to crow about other than charges of process crimes, and things that have NOTHING to do with any Russian collusion have? I haven't seen it....And if you really believe that this kind of bluster is worth the millions spent to date, with little more than smear materiel to go with, then all I can say is that it is a damned shame what you support here....

Just be patient, and open to the idea that Trump obstructed justice, because as I've shown you, some experts agree he has.

There are just as many "experts" that agree that there is nothing there....You are showing more of that "open mindedness".... :roll:
 
May have been.

Comey himself doesn't think so. McCabe has testified that it didn't hamper the investigation. Be honest, you guys really want him to fire Mueller just to breathe life into this dead end investigation.
 
Comey investigating a guy Trump knows for a fact is guilty, Trump tries to get Comey to back off and then fires him.

Dance dance dance, right wingers.

LOL. Vouching for someone's character isn't obstruction. Flynn is still before the court awaiting sentencing. There was no obstruction.
 
Okay, this is the best part of the memos hands down:

"He then asked if 'you saw my Tweet this morning' and quickly added that 'it is really about the leaks.' He then reviewed in some detail the leaks of his calls with the leaders of Mexico and Australia, including how the calls had gone, how he assumed that calls he made on 'this beautiful phone [touching the gray phone on the desk]' were confidential, how it couldn't have come from the Mexicans or Australians, how the transcripts actually include things he doesn't remember saying ('and they say I have one of the worlds greatest memories'), and that it makes us look terrible to have these things leaking."
 
It does not stop the investigation but it plays into the obstruction narrative they are pushing now because the Russia, Russia everywhere story has died a slow death.

You don't think the Cohen raid will ultimately back up what the dossier said in great detail about Cohen's conspiring with Russia?
 
What makes you think the Russian aspect is dead?

Did Nunes say so, lol?

I am just laughing at some of these responses. They've all determined in their own minds that Mueller has a weak case, or no case at all (maybe he does?) We (the public) don't even know half of the evidence, we know tidbits and pieces of it, so it's mind boggling to me how anyone except those on Mueller's team can make a clear prediction about the conclusion of the investigation. And for every piece of information that the public does know about, just think about how much we can't possibly know...


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That you are being serious is sad. Bernie isn't about new ideas, he's about the tired old belief that Government bureaucrats can dictate a better world. That free markets and profit are evil, we've heard this song and dance, it's a failed idea.

I'm inclined to doubt it after reading your closed minded posts, but you might benefit from reading Bernie Sanders before expressing opinions about him.
 
There is no demonstrable partisanship from Mueller in regards to Trump, nor can anyone demonstrate any.

Implied...Yes. Comey and Mueller are great friends and it's demonstrable Comey hates Trump.
 
I am just laughing at some of these responses. They've all determined in their own minds that Mueller has a weak case, or no case at all (maybe he does?) We (the public) don't even know half of the evidence, we know tidbits and pieces of it, so it's mind boggling to me how anyone except those on Mueller's team can make a clear prediction about the conclusion of the investigation. And for every piece of information that the public does know about, just think about how much we can't possibly know...


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I agree.

I've probably made some leaps in this thread but, I can back them up with examples from statements and actions. Meanwhile a large group here has already made up their mind that Trump is innocent and they seek to obfuscate anyone reasoning that he may not be.
 
"Tight lid"? Are you kidding? Where in the hell do you think that all these leaks of "people familiar with the investigation" are coming from? Get real man....

RIGHT?! Why do people do that to their brains? "I know Mueller's investigation is very tight lid... and close to a bombshell indictment because an unnamed source close to the investigation says so!"

Maybe deep down they realize the number of bull**** "breaking news" stories that they keep taking hook, line and sinker are proof that unnamed sources usually don't know anything.
 
Comey himself doesn't think so. McCabe has testified that it didn't hamper the investigation. Be honest, you guys really want him to fire Mueller just to breathe life into this dead end investigation.

I would say some one or some entity that were to 'force' the firing of Mueller just to prolong another investigation would be obstructing justice.

Keeping Mueller...would be like having to ride on a goat across the desert because walking would be so much worse?

(No. I'm not drunk, right now.)
 
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I really disagree with this but, it's not for keyobard jockey's to decide. I've literally laid out the entire case for obstruction of justice against Trump in this thread but, I'm averaging like 4 conservative posters quoting me per minute right now to tell me I'm wrong.

Keep an open mind y'all because if the chickens come home to roost the special of the day will be deep fried and Orange.

In spite of the many characterizations otherwise, I'm not worried in the outcome of this in any regard. The republic will survive.
 
I am just laughing at some of these responses. They've all determined in their own minds that Mueller has a weak case, or no case at all (maybe he does?) We (the public) don't even know half of the evidence, we know tidbits and pieces of it, so it's mind boggling to me how anyone except those on Mueller's team can make a clear prediction about the conclusion of the investigation. And for every piece of information that the public does know about, just think about how much we can't possibly know...


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And with those tid bits, and pieces, many of you have already convicted anyone "Trump world", and Trump himself...Don't deny you haven't either....
 
Comey himself doesn't think so. McCabe has testified that it didn't hamper the investigation. Be honest, you guys really want him to fire Mueller just to breathe life into this dead end investigation.

If they can prove Trump had a corrupt motive he's toast.
 
I'm inclined to doubt it after reading your closed minded posts, but you might benefit from reading Bernie Sanders before expressing opinions about him.

I have read him, I've heard him. His whining about the wasted resources of 17 type of deodorant was most telling. His three homes while he attacks the rich is equally enlightening.
 
I would say some one or some entity that were to 'force' the firing of Mueller just to prolong another investigation would be obstructing justice.

Kind of like how Clapper talked Comey into briefing Trump on the pee tape rumor so that Clapper could then leak to CNN that the FBI took the allegation serious enough to brief Trump on them.

It's rumor laundering and CNN should feel like pawn in big game.
 
If they can prove Trump had a corrupt motive he's toast.

That would require a MINORITY REPORT level of omniscience since the investigation has yet to be obstructed.
 
I agree.

I've probably made some leaps in this thread...

Nah, surely not....lol...How in the world could that be possible with such and open minded person such as yourself?

but, I can back them up with examples from statements and actions.

IOW, with your own opinions, and cherry picked statements....Got it....

Meanwhile a large group here has already made up their mind that Trump is innocent and they seek to obfuscate anyone reasoning that he may not be.

Pure projection here....For example if I were to say:

Meanwhile a large group here has already made up their mind that Trump is guilty and they seek to obfuscate anyone reasoning that he may not be.

then your statement is just as relevant with others in here that agree with me...And that was only having to change ONE word....
 
That would require a MINORITY REPORT level of omniscience since the investigation has yet to be obstructed.

No thanks to Trump, rather thanks to James Comey and Rod Rosenstein.

The firing of James Comey, in my opinion, was intended to obstruct the investigation. And I've already told everyone why on pages 1-5.
 
That you are being serious is sad. Bernie isn't about new ideas, he's about the tired old belief that Government bureaucrats can dictate a better world. That free markets and profit are evil, we've heard this song and dance, it's a failed idea.

As cabse5 said, it's not a failed idea. In addition to many of the thriving nations in Europe embracing such ideas, it's also present in nearly every other developed nation including the U.S. Our SS, medicare, medicaid, military, and education system (in addition to government proper), are all run completely or in part by government. How government is structured matters. If goernment was one party like china, that's a problem. Or a single authoritarian, etc. But a fractured branch government, a bill of rights, etc., we eliminate many historic problems with government, are you not familiar with where the ideas for he U.S system came from??

But you also misrepresent it, for reasons unknown.

Free markets unchecked leads to evil.
Government unchecked leads to evil.
all because the overarching fact of reality:
Human population unchecked (anarchy), leads to evil.
In all cases we form government's w/laws, to check itself, and each other.

So populations make rules, law, and order. That we do that for corporations is fitting. That we use multiple branches of government, corporate interests, and private citizens all together to check government, is fitting.

What you apparently don't understand is what the core of the Republican party is about. It's big corporate interests/ultra-wealthy, not wanting to be "checked" by government power. So they make up any number of nonsensical worldviews, culture wars, claims, in an effort to build party support, which ultimately allows them to remove as much government oversight as they can. That's in the form of removing taxes, regulations, and the future capacity to be able to enforce the same, along with paying their big military corporate donors with bigger military budgets. To remove the one check on big corporate/wealthy interests, is ruinous to America. No different than if you removed checks on government power.

You can see what big moves Trump has done in office with the help of Mitch/Ryan. Tax cuts for the wealthy, corporations, huge military spending, and regulations slashed in record numbers (between Tillerson and Pruitt alone it's breath-taking). It's not a coincidence. Your faux-outrage at irrelevant culture wars issues, and hatred of all things "liberal", do nothing significant on the national stage. Never has, never well. I mean, except for electing a Republican who does what I noted above.
 
I have read him, I've heard him. His whining about the wasted resources of 17 type of deodorant was most telling. His three homes while he attacks the rich is equally enlightening.

Keep in mind that he has his own campaign FEC violations that he just settled for $14,000. to carry, while he crows about Cohen's troubles.
 
Nah, surely not....lol...How in the world could that be possible with such and open minded person such as yourself?



IOW, with your own opinions, and cherry picked statements....Got it....



Pure projection here....For example if I were to say:

Meanwhile a large group here has already made up their mind that Trump is guilty and they seek to obfuscate anyone reasoning that he may not be.

then your statement is just as relevant with others in here that agree with me...And that was only having to change ONE word....

No, you're doing projection. The mere idea that he has obstructed justice generated the most activity my account has seen in months. I was marathon quoted to essentially tell me, "No, he hasn't." And every single piece of information I presented was hand-waved away or obfuscated.

Have a good day, man. The sun's out and the birds are chirping. Keep an open mind.
 
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