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Trump not a target in the Cohen Probe

PoliSciXtina said:
I can't find anything anywhere about trump not being investigated. I don't think Rosenstein ever told trump that. Just that he's currently not a target. Which honestly means nothing because a subject can become a target overnight based on new evidence.


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I can't either. I think trixare4kids made it up.
 
PoliSciXtina said:
I can't find anything anywhere about trump not being investigated. I don't think Rosenstein ever told trump that. Just that he's currently not a target. Which honestly means nothing because a subject can become a target overnight based on new evidence.


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Context! :)
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.
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Rosenstein tells Trump he is not a target of Michael Cohen investigation | Fox News

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Donald Trump at a recent meeting that he's not a target in the investigation of his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.

Rosenstein's comment was not about special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election and potential collusion by Trump associates, the source said, noting that Mueller's team had informed Trump's lawyers previously he was not considered a target at that point in the Mueller probe.
The Justice Department said last week that Cohen has been "under criminal investigation" for months in New York because of his business dealings. The FBI raided Cohen's office, house and hotel room earlier this month.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/politics/rosenstein-trump-cohen-investigation/index.html
 
trixare4kids said:
Context! :)


Rosenstein tells Trump he is not a target of Michael Cohen investigation | Fox News



https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/politics/rosenstein-trump-cohen-investigation/index.html
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Where does it say what you stated above, that Rosenstein announced that trump is not under investigation? It doesn't say that anywhere. I see what you bolded. That's not what you're asserting. You are trying to spin this to what you want & believe it to be.


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trixare4kids said:
Breaking:
Rosenstein just announced that Donald Trump is not being investigated nor is he a target in the Michael Cohen probe.

eta: Mods please merge this thread with another like thread started earlier. Thanks.
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Seems like Trump's lawyers are asking him every other day now if their client is a 'target' yet. Why are they so curious if they really believe that their client is innocent?
 
Cohen is the target of the Cohen probe and right wingers think this is somehow exonerating Trump...
 
Atomic Kid said:
Seems like Trump's lawyers are asking him every other day now if their client is a 'target' yet. Why are they so curious if they really believe that their client is innocent?
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I'm speculating but I would imagine they are taking their cue from their client like most attorneys would do.
I might be in the minority here but I think the country has a right to know that Trump is not a target, a subject, nor is he currently being investigated because it's good for the stability of the country. We should be moving forward and away from speculation.
 
trixare4kids said:
I'm speculating but I would imagine they are taking their cue from their client like most attorneys would do.
I might be in the minority here but I think the country has a right to know that Trump is not a target, a subject, nor is he currently being investigated because it's good for the stability of the country. We should be moving forward and away from speculation.
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Not the target of this specific probe does not mean he is in the clear. You don’t have a right to be lied to by your right wing propaganda.
 
trixare4kids said:
Context!
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More context:

Mr Person said:
Federally: last week he was told that he was not a target in the federal investigation. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...o-tell-trump-he-s-not-target-in-mueller-probe

Of course, that means nothing if one has researched the DOJ guidelines, the AG statements on not indicting a sitting President, and the general constitutional debate about whether it's even possible to indict a sitting President.



State-wise:

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Donald Trump at a recent meeting that he's not a target in the investigation of his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, a source familiar with the matter told CNN. Rosenstein's comment was not about special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election and potential collusion by Trump associates, the source said, noting that Mueller's team had informed Trump's lawyers previously he was not considered a target at that point in the Mueller probe. The Justice Department said last week that Cohen has been "under criminal investigation" for months in New York because of his business dealings. The FBI raided Cohen's office, house and hotel room earlier this month.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/politics/rosenstein-trump-cohen-investigation/index.html





The people who hate nothingburgers sure eat a lot of them.
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trixare4kids said:
Have we not been warning them that their overzealous suspicions were just a tad premature?
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Yeah we have. You and I have both agreed there's plenty of things to criticize Trump over but none of them to date have been illegal.

We even had a spokesperson from the Mueller team come out and claim many of the stories in the news about the investigation are false. And no doubt this forum is full of threads started with such stories by people who just want to find anything negative about Trump in print to post. They don't give a damn if it is true or not. Anyway it was a good day today for the WH and for equal justice under the law with McCabe being referred for prosecution.
 
trixare4kids said:
I'm speculating but I would imagine they are taking their cue from their client like most attorneys would do.
I might be in the minority here but I think the country has a right to know that Trump is not a target, a subject, nor is he currently being investigated because it's good for the stability of the country. We should be moving forward and away from speculation.
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WaPo reported two weeks ago that trump remains a subject, but not a criminal target, which is consistent with what Rosenstein told Trump as well in the reporting that's out today. Rosenstein never said the words "you are not under investigation" to trump. Your reply to me said nothing of the sort, which is what you claimed in your initial post. What we know based on multiple reports, from two weeks ago and today: He still remains under investigation, but he's not a target (in either probe). Please stop confusing yourself and others. And just to add- mueller may never make trump a target because he believes that sitting presidents cannot be indicted. Doesn't mean trump is in the clear, which is what you are so desperately trying to portray. Trump is not safe and I'm trying to figure out why you are so adamant about this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...832cf0-36c1-11e8-acd5-35eac230e514_story.html


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trixare4kids said:
I'm speculating but I would imagine they are taking their cue from their client like most attorneys would do.
I might be in the minority here but I think the country has a right to know that Trump is not a target, a subject, nor is he currently being investigated because it's good for the stability of the country. We should be moving forward and away from speculation.
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Then they should advise their client then to just leave Mueller alone and let him do his job and maybe this won't be such a distraction and then he could do his job. If he's truly as innocent as he claims to be then he has nothing to fear from Mueller. But not being named a 'target' means nothing at this point. That could change at any moment or even upon the first question Mueller asks when he interviews him. Or it could simply be because Mueller isn't inclined to challenge a previous Justice Department legal opinion that a sitting President can't be indicted. But he could still bring evidence forward of impeachable offenses without getting an indictment.
 
trixare4kids said:
Having a little melt-down, are you?

Feel better soon.

Yes, it is a good day for the WH because it puts the nutbar's/anti-Trump camp's conspiracy theories about Trump being a mobster, in cahoots with the Cohen-Ukraine money laundering crime family to rest...
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Why yes, yes it does..... sleep well

 
Mr Person said:
He asked you two questions. If you consider that a "melt-down", perhaps internet debate boards are not for you.







How's that? Mueller's investigation is a federal one, not a state one. And none of us will know whether or not he's got something on Trump until he's good and ready for us to know. Don't get over-excited about things yet.
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What is wrong with reporting the news and also saying the WH would be happy about that news?
Trust me, I am not the poster boy around here for getting excited. I wait for the facts. NO need for you to warn me about what "might come". Come what may, it's going to be OK.
 
trixare4kids said:
This has been a very good day for the WH....
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Trump not being an investigation's target for a day = a very good day for the white house?

Your trump expectation bar... It's quite low.
 
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For someone to think that being a subject of a criminal investigation is a good thing because they may or may not be a target on that day is laughable. There is still speculation because he is still being investigated.
 
haymarket said:
This from the Bloomberg story



This is falling down funny. Trump is either the most optimistic fool on the planet or simply the dumbest. Of course he is not a target....... until he is. :doh:roll:
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There was a time when Nixon wasn't a target as well.
 
trixare4kids said:
This has been a very good day for the WH....
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Yup, Trump is already happier and the thought of firing Mueller is much further from his mind.
 
poweRob said:
Trump not being an investigation's target for a day = a very good day for the white house?

Your bar... It's quite low.
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Hilarious isn't it? To celebrate because one is currently a subject of a criminal investigation and not currently a target?
 
Atomic Kid said:
Then they should advise their client then to just leave Mueller alone and let him do his job and maybe this won't be such a distraction and then he could do his job. If he's truly as innocent as he claims to be then he has nothing to fear from Mueller. But not being named a 'target' means nothing at this point. That could change at any moment or even upon the first question Mueller asks when he interviews him. Or it could simply be because Mueller isn't inclined to challenge a previous Justice Department legal opinion that a sitting President can't be indicted. But he could still bring evidence forward of impeachable offenses without getting an indictment.
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The POTUS has the right to free speech so if you mean he should shut up and not defend himself against false allegations mostly coming from the left and the never-Trump camps, I disagree.
The president has AFAIK complied and has given the Mueller team thousands of documents. So it cannot be said that Trump is interfering with the investigation or keeping Mueller from doing his job.
The distraction is coming from the left, and the biased leftist media who is stirring all this bs up.. I think they want Trump to try firing Mueller. I don't think Trump is going to take the bait. JMO.
 
Deuce said:
Not the target of this specific probe does not mean he is in the clear. You don’t have a right to be lied to by your right wing propaganda.
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If I'm not mistaken, law enforcement is under no obligation to be 100% truthful to a someone who is a person of interest, or a subject, in an investigation. I'm not sure enough yet to bet on it but it might just be possible that the FBI is lying to the President, or weighing their words very carefully.
 
vesper said:
Yeah we have. You and I have both agreed there's plenty of things to criticize Trump over but none of them to date have been illegal.

We even had a spokesperson from the Mueller team come out and claim many of the stories in the news about the investigation are false. And no doubt this forum is full of threads started with such stories by people who just want to find anything negative about Trump in print to post. They don't give a damn if it is true or not. Anyway it was a good day today for the WH and for equal justice under the law with McCabe being referred for prosecution.
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Haha...the OP in no way supports your assertion.

I don't believe you guys are this daft. You have to be trolling, that's the only rational explanation.
 
haymarket said:
This from the Bloomberg story



This is falling down funny. Trump is either the most optimistic fool on the planet or simply the dumbest. Of course he is not a target....... until he is. :doh:roll:
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Or maybe the same e.g the most optimistic fool on the planet or simply the dumbest could be said about those people wishing and hoping, some day some time, someone will finally something on Trump.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
If I'm not mistaken, law enforcement is under no obligation to be 100% truthful to a someone who is a person of interest, or a subject, in an investigation. I'm not sure enough yet to bet on it but it might just be possible that the FBI is lying to the President, or weighing their words very carefully.
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Deception and trickery are tools of an investigator can use. I've told numerous suspects they weren't suspects of my investigation, that I viewed them more as a witness in order to get them to drop their guard and draw information out of them to strengthen my case against them. It's common practice and completely legal.
 
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