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Giuliani says he is joining Trump's legal team to help bring Mueller probe to a conclusion

Chomsky said:
Hopefully. I do very much like the imagery of a rat jumping aboard a sinking ship though ...
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The rats are attracted to the sewer sludge the sinking ship still has to offer.


If Giuliani starts getting more publicity than Trump, his days may be numbered. So let's make sure he gets it. :)
 
Cardinal said:
Hoo boy.

Here's the original mandate. Please point to where the Manafort investigation lies outside the scope of his investigation.

(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
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Again, if the mandate is so clear then why expand it a week after the Manafort raid?

Also, why did he then hand the Cohen raid off to SDNY? By your argument it was still within his jurisdiction.
 
Gina said:
Rudy Giuliani is joining President Donald Trump's personal legal team
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Can Rudy work with Trump where others could not?
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HahahahaAHAHAHA :mrgreen:

Yes, I'm very amused by this development.

It is highly unlikely that Rudy will do much better than anyone else. It's pretty clear that Trump runs through most underlings like a hay fever sufferer goes through tissues.

Very few decent attorneys want to work with Trump. One defense attorney in a Vox interview pointed out that Mueller is running rings around Trump, and every lawyer knows it. No decent defense attorney wants to take on a case for a client who doesn't pay, doesn't listen, will alienate other clients, all for a case where they know they will get destroyed.

Plus, Rudy hasn't practiced criminal law in about 25 years. Nominally, his job is to negotiate some sort of deal with Mueller. Practically speaking, it's to bloviate on TV to please Trump.


There are also to other lawyers joining the Trump legal team, Jane Serene Raskin and Marty Raskin, out of Florida.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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My understanding is that those two are more serious attorneys... and True Trump Believers. It's an indicator that someone on Trump's legal team realizes the need for real legal firepower. We'll see how long they last.
 
Moot said:
The rats are attracted to the sewer sludge the sinking ship still has to offer.


If Giuliani starts getting more publicity than Trump, his days may be numbered. So let's make sure he gets it. :)
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I predict Giuliani won't last more than a few weeks. He's too much of a control freak & grand-stander. Everything he says is noun-verb-9/11.
 
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JacksinPA said:
I predict Giuliani won't last more than a few weeks. He's too much of a control freak & grand-stander.
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He let Trump grab...nay, rub his nose in his boobs. Who could forget THAT???

"Oh, you naughty boy...tee hee"
 
Mycroft said:
But that's part of the point of the article...there is nothing factually unlawful or illegal found on Trump. There isn't even any evidence that he is "at the head" of any conspiracy.

All Mueller has been able to find are a bunch of people and action...that Trump has nothing to do with.
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LOL Trump had everything to do with the results of Russian help and many of the people involved were in his employ. You are assuming that none of them has or will involve Trump personally.
 
Visbek said:




HahahahaAHAHAHA :mrgreen:

Yes, I'm very amused by this development.

It is highly unlikely that Rudy will do much better than anyone else. It's pretty clear that Trump runs through most underlings like a hay fever sufferer goes through tissues.

Very few decent attorneys want to work with Trump. One defense attorney in a Vox interview pointed out that Mueller is running rings around Trump, and every lawyer knows it. No decent defense attorney wants to take on a case for a client who doesn't pay, doesn't listen, will alienate other clients, all for a case where they know they will get destroyed.

Plus, Rudy hasn't practiced criminal law in about 25 years. Nominally, his job is to negotiate some sort of deal with Mueller. Practically speaking, it's to bloviate on TV to please Trump.



My understanding is that those two are more serious attorneys... and True Trump Believers. It's an indicator that someone on Trump's legal team realizes the need for real legal firepower. We'll see how long they last.
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I don't disagree with anything you said, even if it's not in my style. ;)

There are reports that Rudy is being brought in only to fail in negotiating an end to the investigation so that he can say Mueller/Rosenstein can't be reasoned with, fire them. However that would look, but that's the goal. Justification for firing Rosentein/Mueller, even as Rudy says that would be unproductive.

Just what the chat is.
 
Poor Rudy. He still thinks Trump might give him a seat at the big boys’ table.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Poor Rudy. He still thinks Trump might give him a seat at the big boys’ table.
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Rudy is almost as much of an egomaniac as The Donald is.
 
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iguanaman said:
LOL Trump had everything to do with the results of Russian help and many of the people involved were in his employ. You are assuming that none of them has or will involve Trump personally.
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I'm not assuming anything. I'm just waiting for facts. I don't see any.
 
jmotivator said:
Again, if the mandate is so clear then why expand it a week after the Manafort raid?

Also, why did he then hand the Cohen raid off to SDNY? By your argument it was still within his jurisdiction.
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Because he doesn’t feel the need to keep an investigation into Cohen’s mistress payoffs and money laundering in his own wheelhouse? He can prosecute these things, since they did come up. But why do it? His primary objective is Russian interference in our election. Something conservatives are oddly casual about.
 
Mycroft said:
But that's part of the point of the article...there is nothing factually unlawful or illegal found on Trump. There isn't even any evidence that he is "at the head" of any conspiracy.

All Mueller has been able to find are a bunch of people and action...that Trump has nothing to do with.
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How many people in Trump’s inner circle need to be found to have shady ties to the Russian government before you start wondering if maybe it’s possible Trump knew anything about it.

All those people, and your golden “knows how to surround himself with good people” savior didn’t know ****?
 
Deuce said:
How many people in Trump’s inner circle need to be found to have shady ties to the Russian government before you start wondering if maybe it’s possible Trump knew anything about it.

All those people, and your golden “knows how to surround himself with good people” savior didn’t know ****?
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It's always "possible". Just like it's always possible that the sun will go dark at high noon tomorrow.

But if you want me to believe the sun will go dark tomorrow, you'll have to show me some evidence.

I haven't seen any regarding Trump.
 
Mycroft said:
It's always "possible". Just like it's always possible that the sun will go dark at high noon tomorrow.

But if you want me to believe the sun will go dark tomorrow, you'll have to show me some evidence.

I haven't seen any regarding Trump.
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Leaks suggest Manafort acted as a backchannel to the Kremlin. Before that, evidence that Kushner helped set it up. The man’s own son in law, but he knows nothing? Hah.
 
Deuce said:
Leaks suggest Manafort acted as a backchannel to the Kremlin. Before that, evidence that Kushner helped set it up. The man’s own son in law, but he knows nothing? Hah.
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Is this illegal?
 
Deuce said:
Because he doesn’t feel the need to keep an investigation into Cohen’s mistress payoffs and money laundering in his own wheelhouse? He can prosecute these things, since they did come up. But why do it? His primary objective is Russian interference in our election. Something conservatives are oddly casual about.
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No, he CAN'T prosecute them because they weren't in his mandate. They can't walk back Manafort at this point, but they chose to not make the same mistake with Cohen.
 
Mycroft said:
Is this illegal?
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Of course it's not. Trump hired Flynn specifically for his knowledge of Russia, and the transition focuses in part on establishing these channels between the administration and foreign governments.

Obama spent a lot of time on the campaign trail, even before he WON meeting with foreign leaders:

Obama, Karzai keep talk 'positive' - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

Obama, in Berlin, Calls for Renewal of Ties With Allies - The New York Times

Obama Meets Iraqi Prime Minister in Baghdad - The New York Times

Obama talks tough about Iran during visit to Israel | McClatchy Washington Bureau

But somehow the NSA speaking to Russians AFTER the election is illegal? Bee Ess.
 
Mycroft said:
But that's part of the point of the article...there is nothing factually unlawful or illegal found on Trump. There isn't even any evidence that he is "at the head" of any conspiracy.

All Mueller has been able to find are a bunch of people and action...that Trump has nothing to do with.
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How do you know that? You work for the FBI?
 
tres borrachos said:
undergraduate degree from Wellesley College

Hey! That's where Trump's good friend Hillary Clinton went. I wonder if they knew each other from there.
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College where Hillary did?!?!

LOCK HIM UP!
LOCK HIM UP!
LOCK HIM Up!
 
Giuliani won't last a month in the WH. He is as much of an egomaniac as Trump us & his vocabulary is limited to "I (verb) 9/11). He can't control Trump & he can't end the Mueller probe.
 
JacksinPA said:
Giuliani won't last a month in the WH. He is as much of an egomaniac as Trump us & his vocabulary is limited to "I (verb) 9/11). He can't control Trump & he can't end the Mueller probe.
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Giuliani doesn't have to control Trump and he can negotiate circles around Mueller.
 
Mycroft said:
I'm not assuming anything. I'm just waiting for facts. I don't see any.
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That's about how I feel only unlike you I don't have to fight off the barrage of events that are already known that point to a conspiracy, something Mueller is well prepared to get to the bottom(or top?) of. Wait until you find out that Trump is even more guilty than it looks and he acts. :lol: Our Republic would not have lasted this long if it was too weak to take on TrumpCo.
 
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iguanaman said:
That's about how I feel only unlike you I don't have to fight off the barrage of events that are already known that point to a conspiracy, something Mueller is well prepared to get to the bottom(or top?) of. Wait until you find out that Trump is even more guilty than it looks and he acts. :lol: Our Republic would not have lasted this long if it was too weak to take on TrumpCo.
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LOL!!

You speak of waiting for facts. In the meantime you are quite happy to engage in useless, factless speculation and you are allowing that speculation to sway your opinion...despite not having any facts.

Yes...the media loves you.
 
Oborosen said:
Not sure how this is going to bring this along. We have seen that plenty of other investigations have lasted pretty long in retrospect. With Watergate being the shortest if I remember correctly. That is if we are omitting the whole Email deletion fiasco as well.

Hell, even the Benghazi investigation lasted the better part of two years.

I think the Reps are just tired of all the chest beating and are ready to tell Mueller's committee to either play or fold.
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Its good you recognize the ridiculous partisan aspect of republican "chest beating" But just to be clear O, the Benghazi investigations (plural, there were 8) lasted almost 4 years. And they found nothing new after the first couple if not the first one. Thats why we get to call the last 5 or 6 a witch hunt.
 
Gina said:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/politics/giuliani-trump-legal-team/index.html

Interesting development. Can Rudy work with Trump where others could not? There is no mention of Trump being interviewed by Mueller. There are also to other lawyers joining the Trump legal team, Jane Serene Raskin and Marty Raskin, out of Florida.
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I don't really know how Guliani can speed things up other than facilitating a meeting between Trump and Mueller. Mueller needs to quit playing games in trying to entrap Trump. If he feels the need to entrap Trump then that just proves he doesn't have enough evidence against Trump in the first place.
 
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