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Giuliani says he is joining Trump's legal team to help bring Mueller probe to a conclusion

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/politics/giuliani-trump-legal-team/index.html

Interesting development. Can Rudy work with Trump where others could not? There is no mention of Trump being interviewed by Mueller. There are also to other lawyers joining the Trump legal team, Jane Serene Raskin and Marty Raskin, out of Florida.
Imo this sounds like trump is looking to make a deal to expedite the investigations conclusion and he brought in a team of lawyers to negotiate it on his behalf.

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Not sure you understood what you read. That "nothing factually unlawful or illegal" refers to what Mueller has found...about Trump. Those "22 of them" you mention are part of the "secondary approach".

Actually they are the result of an investigation of a conspiracy against the United States and Trump is at the head of that conspiracy. You are obviously not aware of how a conspiracy is thwarted and prosecuted. Mueller certainly is.
 
Actually they are the result of an investigation of a conspiracy against the United States and Trump is at the head of that conspiracy. You are obviously not aware of how a conspiracy is thwarted and prosecuted. Mueller certainly is.

A conspiracy to do what?
 
Actually they are the result of an investigation of a conspiracy against the United States and Trump is at the head of that conspiracy. You are obviously not aware of how a conspiracy is thwarted and prosecuted. Mueller certainly is.

But that's part of the point of the article...there is nothing factually unlawful or illegal found on Trump. There isn't even any evidence that he is "at the head" of any conspiracy.

All Mueller has been able to find are a bunch of people and action...that Trump has nothing to do with.
 
Speculation abounds about exactly what Rudy is going to do for Trump.

Here's mine:


Guiliani is a negotiator and a lawyer, and is moving in to offer Mueller a way out while saving face. My guess is that the end result of this will be that Trump will applaud Mueller's great work in tracking down the 13 Russian Facebook advertisers, Mueller will announce an end to the investigation into Russia and Democrat heads will explode.

In fact, you can almost see the writing on the wall at this point since the DNC has just announced that THEY have now sued Russia, Wikileaks and the Trump campaign for collusion in the 2016 election. This tells me that the DNC moles in the Mueller investigation are signalling to the DNC that the indictment isn't going to happen and the DNC is being proactive in efforts to keep the story alive through the 2018 midterms.
 
Um, why would Mueller negotiate with Giuliani to bring his investigation to a close?

Because, as has been Mueller's history, he has over extended his investigation and needs a way to end it gracefully.

Trump appears to be smarter than Bill Clinton and has chosen not to speak with the Mueller people or SDNY about Cohen or Daniels, leaving Mueller with no new leads.
 
I mean if you want to add credibility, add Rudy Giuliani.


lol
 
Because, as has been Mueller's history, he has over extended his investigation and needs a way to end it gracefully.

Trump appears to be smarter than Bill Clinton and has chosen not to speak with the Mueller people or SDNY about Cohen or Daniels, leaving Mueller with no new leads.

Citing Rosenstein's mandate, please demonstrate that Mueller is operating outside the scope of his investigation.
 
I mean if you want to add credibility, add Rudy Giuliani.


lol

When he tells you to put your mask back on, you do it.
 
Citing Rosenstein's mandate, please demonstrate that Mueller is operating outside the scope of his investigation.

Heh. You can type, but can you read?
 
Um, why would Mueller negotiate with Giuliani to bring his investigation to a close?

I have no idea. Rudy even setting out that goal, so publicly, is a mistake, IMO.
 
Heh. You can type, but can you read?

If you've already used the Rosenstein mandate to demonstrate that Mueller is operating outside the scope of his investigation, please tell me the post number.
 
I have no idea. Rudy even setting out that goal, so publicly, is a mistake, IMO.

I agree. It's just going to make him look like a fool to no avail.
 
Rudy “oh **** I forgot 9/11” Giuliani, yeah that will solve it
 
If you've already used the Rosenstein mandate to demonstrate that Mueller is operating outside the scope of his investigation, please tell me the post number.

My comment was regarding that previous discussion. My point in that regard still stands. The Manafort investigation should have either been handed off to the DOJ, or the extension letter should have come from Sessions, not Rosenstein. Moreover, the guilty plea by Gates did not follow DOJ directives on accepting a plea either due to over-charging or allowing to plea out of more severe, provable crimes.

His Manafort case is his over extension.
 
My comment was regarding that previous discussion. My point in that regard still stands. The Manafort investigation should have either been handed off to the DOJ, or the extension letter should have come from Sessions, not Rosenstein. Moreover, the guilty plea by Gates did not follow DOJ directives on accepting a plea either due to over-charging or allowing to plea out of more severe, provable crimes.

His Manafort case is his over extension.

Those are claims. Can you support them using the Rosenstein mandate?
 
Those are claims. Can you support them using the Rosenstein mandate?

Huh? I am arguing the Rosenstein extension under which Mueller is investigating Manafort exceeded Rosenstein's authority to extend the mandate. Clearly the Manafort investigation exceeded the original Rosenstein mandate, hence the need for the second, previously undisclosed memo. Rosenstein didn't have that authority because Sessions hadn't recused himself from investigations that were not connected to the 2016 election, so the extension of the Mueller SC would need to come from Sessions.

In reality there never should have been an extension and Mueller should have handed the Manafort investigation back to the DOJ the way he did with the Cohen case.
 
Huh? I am arguing the Rosenstein extension under which Mueller is investigating Manafort exceeded Rosenstein's authority to extend the mandate. Clearly the Manafort investigation exceeded the original Rosenstein mandate, hence the need for the second, previously undisclosed memo. Rosenstein didn't have that authority because Sessions hadn't recused himself from investigations that were not connected to the 2016 election, so the extension of the Mueller SC would need to come from Sessions.

Yes, you've already made these claims. Can you cite the Rosenstein mandate so you can illustrate for us where the Manafort exceeds the scope of his investigation?

Don't just keep repeating your claims ad nauseam.
 
Yes, you've already made these claims. Can you cite the Rosenstein mandate so you can illustrate for us where the Manafort exceeds the scope of his investigation?

Don't just keep repeating your claims ad nauseam.

Why was the second Rosenstein memo issued?
 
Why was the second Rosenstein memo issued?

Hoo boy.

Here's the original mandate. Please point to where the Manafort investigation lies outside the scope of his investigation.

(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download
 
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