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Rosenstein Said to Tell Trump He's Not Target in Mueller Probe

Cardinal said:
That must be why all the lawyers are turning down the opportunity to represent a billionaire US President. Because all that winning would be too exhausting.
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right, they won't represent him because they know he's guilty. You are on top of things as usual.
 
Mr Person said:
It does NOT matter that Trump is not a target, and people who despise Trump like myself have no reason to say that Mueller's got him on anything.

Until then, we're only going to get (1) basic allegations in any new indictments against Trump cronies, (2) whatever evidence is admitted at trial or accepted at a plea hearing regarding those people.
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Mycroft said:
No...until you see Mueller's report, all you have are hopes and dreams.

Wake up.
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It's my "hope and dream that "people who despise Trump like myself have no reason to say that Mueller's got him on anything"?

:lamo





You should pay more attention when you post. You tried to *get* me but tripped over your tongue.
 
Mr Person said:
Jesus. H. Christ. Again, folks, again:

That a sitting President is not a "target" is irrelevant because a sitting President cannot be a target, which one would know....



Ok, then, let's see:









Read my self-quote until you get the point: nobody has any reason to declare victory. This situation will remain as it always has - ignorance on the part of all of us - until Mueller's report comes out. It does NOT matter that Trump is not a target, and people who despise Trump like myself have no reason to say that Mueller's got him on anything.

Until then, we're only going to get (1) basic allegations in any new indictments against Trump cronies, (2) whatever evidence is admitted at trial or accepted at a plea hearing regarding those people.
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So why did Rosenstein tell him he was not a target?

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.


Rosenstein tells Trump he is not a target of Michael Cohen investigation | Fox News
 
Common Sense 1 said:
So why then did Rosenstein tell him he was not a target?

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.

Rosenstein tells Trump he is not a target of Michael Cohen investigation | Fox News
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:shock:



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That's literally explained in the post you quoted. You have to actually read it.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
So why did Rosenstein tell him he was not a target?
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Are you seriously trying to use the fact that he told Trump that to suggest the DOJ guidelines don't say what I quoted, that the AG's opinion on sitting Presidents isn't at the link I provided?

How do I know why he told him that? Why do you think it matters?

The reason he told him that doesn't change the fact that the sources are as I quoted them to be. I provided links to the sources and you can go look up the DOJ guidelines. they're available to the public.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
So why did Rosenstein tell him he was not a target?
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Assumably because he, like all his supporters in this thread, are incapable of separating the meaning of "subject" from "target." Rosenstein was able to take some pressure off of himself and Mueller by telling Trump something that didn't matter.

It's astounding that it could work seeing as over half the country is fully aware of what Rosenstein was actually doing, but Trump's head really is that far up his own ass.
 
Mr Person said:
It's my "hope and dream that "people who despise Trump like myself have no reason to say that Mueller's got him on anything"?

:lamo





You should pay more attention when you post. You tried to *get* me but tripped over your tongue.
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What's stopping you?
 
Cardinal said:
Assumably because he, like all his supporters in this thread, are incapable of separating the meaning of "subject" from "target." Rosenstein was able to take some pressure off of himself and Mueller by telling Trump something that didn't matter.

It's astounding that it could work seeing as over half the country is fully aware of what Rosenstein was actually doing, but Trump's head really is that far up his own ass.
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Must be nice to be so darn smart. Smarter than the average bear. :doh

1. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.

2. Special counsel Robert Mueller told President Trump's attorneys last month that he does not consider Trump to be a criminal target in his investigation of Russian actions during the 2016 campaign, The Washington Post reported Tuesday night.


Not sure how the trump haters will understand this.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Must be nice to be so darn smart. Smarter than the average bear. :doh

1. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.

2. Special counsel Robert Mueller told President Trump's attorneys last month that he does not consider Trump to be a criminal target in his investigation of Russian actions during the 2016 campaign, The Washington Post reported Tuesday night.


Not sure how the trump haters will understand this.
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The anti-Trumpers are going to make the 9/11 trufers look like rocket scientists.
 
Mr Person said:
It does NOT matter that Trump is not a target, and people who despise Trump like myself have no reason to say that Mueller's got him on anything.
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Mycroft said:
No...until you see Mueller's report, all you have are hopes and dreams.

Wake up.
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Mr Person said:
It's my "hope and dream that "people who despise Trump like myself have no reason to say that Mueller's got him on anything"?

:lamo

You should pay more attention when you post. You tried to *get* me but tripped over your tongue.
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Mycroft said:
What's stopping you?
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Can't admit that you attacked a Hated Liberal without understanding what you were replying to, and ended up with egg all over your face?

:lol:




Here's a clue: coughing after a loud fart doesn't cover anything up. It just draws more attention to yourself.
 
Conservative said:
How does it feel to see months and months of charges, anti Trump, attacks, and 24/7 non stop rhetoric go up in smoke. Do you have the guts and the character to admit you were wrong and to apologize? How about the rest of you anti Trump zealots and radicals?
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LOL! How does it feel to be compelled to pretend that anything's gone up in smoke?
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Must be nice to be so darn smart. Smarter than the average bear.
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It's easier to make a living, and I'm certainly better equipped to understand the news than most, but being as smart as I am can result in something akin to the Cassandra complex: I understand things better than, as you say, the average bear, but I don't necessarily have the power to do anything about it. It's like if you were the only one who knew that a comet was about to hit the earth. Sure, that technically means you're more knowledgable than everyone else, but that knowledge doesn't necessarily empower you to change your fate.

1. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.
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Yup, a meaningless statement, as has already been explained. Rosenstein is conning Trump.

2. Special counsel Robert Mueller told President Trump's attorneys last month that he does not consider Trump to be a criminal target in his investigation of Russian actions during the 2016 campaign, The Washington Post reported Tuesday night.
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Yup, a meaningless statement, as has already been explained. Mueller is conning Trump.

Not sure how the trump haters will understand this.
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We tend to be more avid readers on average.
 
Cardinal said:
That must be why all the lawyers are turning down the opportunity to represent a billionaire US President. Because all that winning would be too exhausting.
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Of course you understand the three attorneys who declined to represent Trump claimed they were each overwhelmed with current work, and couldn't afford the time to give him quality representation. One of those attorneys is on an annual retainer from me. He's represented me in high end transactions for more than 25 years, and is my closest friend. When I last needed his services, he was on two trials, doing a much larger transaction than the one I needed him for, and he sent me one of his partners who was almost as busy. If it weren't an easy transaction, he also would have begged off and sent a junior partner. But in your partisan world reality has nothing to do with your fantasies. BTW, he's been a registered Democrat for his entire life, and refused to vote for Hilary. He abstained from this election, as did more than enough high end Democrats. And they have even less faith in Biden should he decide to run.

Being a billionaire doesn't make anyone a desirable client. Ask Carl Icahn's clients how they have to negotiate billings after the fact. Not unusual when dealing with giant egos which value a $ more than their first born. Shades of J. Paul Getty.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Must be nice to be so darn smart. Smarter than the average bear. :doh

1. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.

2. Special counsel Robert Mueller told President Trump's attorneys last month that he does not consider Trump to be a criminal target in his investigation of Russian actions during the 2016 campaign, The Washington Post reported Tuesday night.


Not sure how the trump haters will understand this.
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CNN will tell them it is all ruse, a tactic so he can feel more lax about what he admits in public. :lamo
 
Cardinal said:
I'm certainly better equipped to understand the news than most, but being as smart as I am..... I understand things better than, as you say, the average bear....



Yup, a meaningless statement, as has already been explained. Rosenstein is conning Trump.



Yup, a meaningless statement, as has already been explained. Mueller is conning Trump.
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Better than CNN. Far more entertaining delusions. :rofl
 
OldFatGuy said:
Of course you understand the three attorneys who declined to represent Trump claimed they were each overwhelmed with current work, and couldn't afford the time to give him quality representation. One of those attorneys is on an annual retainer from me. He's represented me in high end transactions for more than 25 years, and is my closest friend. When I last needed his services, he was on two trials, doing a much larger transaction than the one I needed him for, and he sent me one of his partners who was almost as busy. If it weren't an easy transaction, he also would have begged off and sent a junior partner. But in your partisan world reality has nothing to do with your fantasies. BTW, he's been a registered Democrat for his entire life, and refused to vote for Hilary. He abstained from this election, as did more than enough high end Democrats. And they have even less faith in Biden should he decide to run.

Being a billionaire doesn't make anyone a desirable client. Ask Carl Icahn's clients how they have to negotiate billings after the fact. Not unusual when dealing with giant egos which value a $ more than their first born. Shades of J. Paul Getty.
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Yes, that's it. Alllll the lawyers are too busy to take on the President of the Unites States as a client. All of them.
 
Mycroft said:
Was it illegal for Trump to fire Flynn?
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Im asking if it's illegal to lie to the potus. It's a crime to lie to the fbi, it would stand to reason that lying to the potus is also a crime.

Sent from my SM-T800 using Tapatalk
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, that's it. Alllll the lawyers are too busy to take on the President of the Unites States as a client. All of them.
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You want to hire a high end attorney you don't have on a retainer, be prepared to be turned down or have to wait a year or two for possible open time. No politician is considered a high status client for the best attorneys. Money talks, long term money, not fickle here today gone tomorrow money. That's the way it is "smart" guy. :rofl And the best attorneys never go to court, except for a break from work or something stupid for a close relative, a good client's errant child, and then usually an experienced subordinate. One of the attorneys who used to refer me tremendous amounts security work exclusively represented the family that originally owned Tiffany's. He had been a roommate in college with one of the kids in the family, back when, called me in near tears. He had to represent his aunt's sale of her house, gratis. Didn't know what he was doing, regularly closed $50-100 mil real property deals for his clients, and he could close those transactions blind folded. I referred him to a local attorney who did nothing but close small houses and businesses. My guy paid his fee, and had him tell his aunt he owed my guy a favor. Shortly afterwards, after closing a large hotel transaction for his clients, the Hilton Family on the other side of the transaction offered him a retainer. He turned them down. He didn't have the time available. A regular happenstance among high end attorneys.

Even more important, high end attorneys want clients who use their services to keep them out of trouble, not after the fact when they are in trouble. In other words, they want clients who know how to use Attorneys' services efficiently.

There were only three attorneys approached. In the end, one of them referred a younger lower status, former assistant prosecuting attorney, up and coming hot shot and her entire firm. Now she will pick up some more high profile clients because of the Trump representation. Making bones. And then she'll stop or slowdown on taking new clients.

Your :spin: fails again.
 
Cardinal said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ganic&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=politics

While y'all are soaking in the bolded part, Rosenstein's move was actually pretty brilliant since he saves himself and Mueller time by taking advantage of Trump's ignorance. Because, of course, if it ever gets the point that Trump becomes a "target," it'll be far too late for him to do anything.

Do you think Trump's remaining lawyers have been able to explain to him the distinction between "subject" and "target" yet? If the article is to be taken at face value, I would say that they have not.
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Being the subject of an investigation is not a good thing ever.

I think Trump and his followers are whistling past the graveyard. I also find it impossible to believe nothing will shake out of Cohen. Nor do I believe Trump's finances came up clean. So I'm not sure what the game is here.
 
Cardinal said:
Assumably because he, like all his supporters in this thread, are incapable of separating the meaning of "subject" from "target." Rosenstein was able to take some pressure off of himself and Mueller by telling Trump something that didn't matter.

It's astounding that it could work seeing as over half the country is fully aware of what Rosenstein was actually doing, but Trump's head really is that far up his own ass.
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Amazing that the distinction between the two has been completely lost here. If you are a target in an investigation it usually means you're already ****ed.
 
OldFatGuy said:
You want to hire a high end attorney you don't have on a retainer, be prepared to be turned down or have to wait a year or two for possible open time. No politician is considered a high status client for the best attorneys. Money talks, long term money, not fickle here today gone tomorrow money. That's the way it is "smart" guy. :rofl And the best attorneys never go to court, except for a break from work or something stupid for a close relative, a good client's errant child, and then usually an experienced subordinate. One of the attorneys who used to refer me tremendous amounts security work exclusively represented the family that originally owned Tiffany's. He had been a roommate in college with one of the kids in the family, back when, called me in near tears. He had to represent his aunt's sale of her house, gratis. Didn't know what he was doing, regularly closed $50-100 mil real property deals for his clients, and he could close those transactions blind folded. I referred him to a local attorney who did nothing but close small houses and businesses. My guy paid his fee, and had him tell his aunt he owed my guy a favor. Shortly afterwards, after closing a large hotel transaction for his clients, the Hilton Family on the other side of the transaction offered him a retainer. He turned them down. He didn't have the time available. A regular happenstance among high end attorneys.

Even more important, high end attorneys want clients who use their services to keep them out of trouble, not after the fact when they are in trouble. In other words, they want clients who know how to use Attorneys' services efficiently.

There were only three attorneys approached. In the end, one of them referred a younger lower status, former assistant prosecuting attorney, up and coming hot shot and her entire firm. Now she will pick up some more high profile clients because of the Trump representation. Making bones. And then she'll stop or slowdown on taking new clients.

Your :spin: fails again.
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In my reporting days I came to know a good many attorneys and a good deal about them. You are absolutely right on all counts, but have left off one trait they look for and that is 'can the client keep his mouth shut?'.

Trump is his own worst enemy and I can not see a long list of bright, up and coming attoney's perfectly suited to the job, all of whom would say 'no'. I would reject any approach simply based on that fact alone. Donald Trump is not a man who should EVER be allowed under oath.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Amazing that the distinction between the two has been completely lost here. If you are a target in an investigation it usually means you're already ****ed.
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.... while being the "subject" often means "you're next".


Shall we consult counsel?

https://www.duffylawct.com/whats-the-difference-federal-target-subject-witness/

"........Subject of an Investigation: The term “subject of an investigation” has a particular meaning within the United States Department of Justice (DOJ). According to the DOJ Handbook[SUP][2][/SUP], a “subject” is: “a person whose conduct is within the scope of a Grand Jury’s investigation.” A subject is somewhere between a target and a witness. A subject has engaged in conduct that may look suspicious or unethical, but the prosecutor isn’t certain that a provable crime has been committed and wants to do more investigating in order to be sure.

• Target: The term “target of an investigation” is also specifically defined by the DOJ. A person is a target where the prosecutor or Grand Jury has substantial evidence linking him to the commission of a crime. Designation as a target provides a clear warning of a person’s criminal exposure.


Even though your status as a witness, subject or target may be important in guiding your strategy during a particular phase of a federal white collar crime investigation, the key thing to remember about these categories is that they are ultimately meaningless and offer you no protection. Why? Because even if you’re currently a witness or subject, there’s no guarantee that your status will remain unchanged...."
 
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