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Rosenstein Said to Tell Trump He's Not Target in Mueller Probe

jmotivator said:
The funniest thing is how the anti-Trumpers think a scenario that has been rehashed ad nauseam for weeks in all the major news outlets is a brilliant, super sneaky trap to ensnare Trump that we are all falling for. :roll:
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Why are you telling me this?
 
Mycroft said:
???

I ask about the Cohen raid and you respond about the deep state?

Focus, eh?
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So you don't think there'll be collaboration here, even after months and months of screaming that there is a grand conspiracy to take down Trump? Odd.
 
Cardinal said:
I can’t believe there are still people who don’t know the difference between subject and target.
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There's plenty who don't get that Cohen's case is separate from the Mueller investigation as well.

Can't fix stupid.

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There are now conflicting reports that this is NOT about the Mueller investigation, and is in fact about the one out the US attorney's office that is investigating Cohen.

That's a big difference.
 
MovingPictures said:
Yes, he can't lie to him.
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Ummm yes he can, LE is allowed to lie to people being investigated, but not the other way around. I never thought that was fair but it is the law.

I would say at this point trump would at the very least be a person of interest.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Using the adjective target ≠ lying.

One can truthfully be a subject of an investigation without necessarily being the target of an investigation.

A subject one day can morph into an investigative target the next day depending on new leads, new evidence, new testimony, flips for leniency, etc.
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NeverTrumpGOP said:
How? McCabe was still part of Trump administration. Also Mueller not finished and Cohen raided. The investigation is not exactly going up in smoke there bud. Trump's administration is.
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Oh, my such hatred and such ignorance because that is what you want to believe. what exactly has Trump done to you, your family, or the country to cause such hatred and you posting 24/7 non stop anti Trump threads.
 
Mycroft said:
Flynn got fired for lying to the VP, right? Same could happen if Rosenstein lies to the President.
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Yeah, your under arrest Mr President.

Trump you're FIRED!!!
 
The same day McCabe goes down Rosenstein vindicates Trump. What is that irony? Karma? or both?
 
Sampson Simpson said:
From a conservative, who is wrong all the time and never admits it. Thanks for the laugh

If Trump is so innocent, why does he continually try to interfere with the investigation? Why does he throw hissy fits? Does that sound like an innocent person?

Wish all you want, the investigation has legs and continues to get more during all this time. Tons of witnesses, testimony, evidence, etc.

Why do you people even bother, you don't make your case by posting dumb stuff and absolutely nothing to back anything up. My god, are there this many conservatives that are this stupid that they have no idea what an argument is and how to back up an argument?
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So a conservative that posts the official federal data is always wrong? Have you bothered to call those federal agencies and tell them that their data is wrong? Funny, I haven't seen you refute a thing only spout rhetoric which to me has always been irrelevant and lacking in interest. Seems like nothing stops the anti Trump crowd and apparently none are mature enough to admit they are wrong which is why you and your radical left is going to continue to lose elections and soon become irrelevant
 
JoeTrumps said:
stop trying to cushion the fall for the left. When the report is released and Trump comes out of it (relatively) clean I want the impact to be like hitting a concrete wall at 1000 mph.

I want maximum psychological pain.

it will be like a second Christmas for me. so please don't ruin it.
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A classy statement, not. A Trump supporter yup. If I was you, I would be more concerned in what they find in Cohen's records. Anyone who can defend a man who rips off our Vets I would say is a poor judge of character.
 
JoeTrumps said:
The same day McCabe goes down Rosenstein vindicates Trump. What is that irony? Karma? or both?
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‘Vindicates’ ? Getting a little a head of yourself, what?

I was think karma is irony in another language.........
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Is there any duty on Rosenstein's part that he has to tell the President the truth about the investigation?
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Thats a really good question that I would love to know the answer too.

For instance, is trump entitled to see all the information on an ongoing investigation even if the investigation involves him?

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Jesus. H. Christ. Again, folks, again:

That a sitting President is not a "target" is irrelevant because a sitting President cannot be a target, which one would know....

Mr Person said:
...if you know anything about the constitutional principles, DOJ guidelines, and AG positions in play.

"target" is a person as to whom the prosecutor or the grand jury has substantial evidence linking him or her to the commission of a crime and who, in the judgment of the prosecutor, is a putative defendant. An officer or employee of an organization which is a target is not automatically considered a target even if such officer's or employee's conduct contributed to the commission of the crime by the target organization. The same lack of automatic target status holds true for organizations which employ, or employed, an officer or employee who is a target.


A "subject" of an investigation is a person whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury's investigation.

DOJ Guideline 9-11.151

See also https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/olc..._president.htm

https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/...al-prosecution

(AG memo on indicting sitting President, Oct. 16, 2000)

A sitting President is one who is in office. A sitting President almost certainly cannot be indicted, and the DOJ's view has been and remains that a President cannot be indicted. Meanwhile, the DOJ guidelines specify that a "target" is a "putative defendant." Add the two together and you see that a sitting President cannot be considered a "putative defendant" and therefore cannot be considered a "target". Hence, Mueller's announcement that Trump is not a "target" is meaningless.

He can be indicted after leaving office and is no longer a "sitting President".

Announcing that he isn't a target means nothing since no sitting President could ever be a target, by definition.
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Ok, then, let's see:

Conservative said:
How does it feel to see months and months of charges, anti Trump, attacks, and 24/7 non stop rhetoric go up in smoke. Do you have the guts and the character to admit you were wrong and to apologize? How about the rest of you anti Trump zealots and radicals?
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Mycroft said:
Keep your hope alive.
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JoeTrumps said:
When the report is released and Trump comes out of it (relatively) clean I want the impact to be like hitting a concrete wall at 1000 mph.
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Read my self-quote until you get the point: nobody has any reason to declare victory. This situation will remain as it always has - ignorance on the part of all of us - until Mueller's report comes out. It does NOT matter that Trump is not a target, and people who despise Trump like myself have no reason to say that Mueller's got him on anything.

Until then, we're only going to get (1) basic allegations in any new indictments against Trump cronies, (2) whatever evidence is admitted at trial or accepted at a plea hearing regarding those people.
 
GDViking said:
Ummm yes he can, LE is allowed to lie to people being investigated, but not the other way around. I never thought that was fair but it is the law.

I would say at this point trump would at the very least be a person of interest.
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Don't forget, Trump is in charge of the executive branch. He's the boss. If it comes out that he lied to Trump, he's getting canned, and it would be totally justified and acceptable. No impeachment danger if that happened.
 
Anthony60 said:
Don't forget, Trump is in charge of the executive branch. He's the boss. If it comes out that he lied to Trump, he's getting canned, and it would be totally justified and acceptable. No impeachment danger if that happened.
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But is it illegal to lie to him? It's illegal to lie to the fbi, that we know bot what about the potus?

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Cardinal said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ganic&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=politics

While y'all are soaking in the bolded part, Rosenstein's move was actually pretty brilliant since he saves himself and Mueller time by taking advantage of Trump's ignorance. Because, of course, if it ever gets the point that Trump becomes a "target," it'll be far too late for him to do anything.

Do you think Trump's remaining lawyers have been able to explain to him the distinction between "subject" and "target" yet? If the article is to be taken at face value, I would say that they have not.
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Ah, you blew it. It wasn't Rosenstein, it was Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.

Nothing like another one of your "if" fantasies.
 
JoeTrumps said:
The same day McCabe goes down Rosenstein vindicates Trump. What is that irony? Karma? or both?
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If people want to know how it is Trump can still be confused about the difference between a subject and a target, just read half the replies in this thread.

Unbelievable.
 
Cardinal said:
If people want to know how it is Trump can still be confused about the difference between a subject and a target, just read half the replies in this thread.
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I know the difference between winning and losing. and at present moment the left are losing on this issue.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
So you don't think there'll be collaboration here, even after months and months of screaming that there is a grand conspiracy to take down Trump? Odd.
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What collaboration are you talking about?
 
JoeTrumps said:
I know the difference between winning and losing. and at present moment the left are losing on this issue.
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That must be why all the lawyers are turning down the opportunity to represent a billionaire US President. Because all that winning would be too exhausting.
 
Mr Person said:
Jesus. H. Christ. Again, folks, again:

That a sitting President is not a "target" is irrelevant because a sitting President cannot be a target, which one would know....



Ok, then, let's see:









Read my self-quote until you get the point: nobody has any reason to declare victory. This situation will remain as it always has - ignorance on the part of all of us - until Mueller's report comes out. It does NOT matter that Trump is not a target, and people who despise Trump like myself have no reason to say that Mueller's got him on anything.

Until then, we're only going to get (1) basic allegations in any new indictments against Trump cronies, (2) whatever evidence is admitted at trial or accepted at a plea hearing regarding those people.
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No...until you see Mueller's report, all you have are hopes and dreams.

Wake up.
 
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