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Tammie Jo Shults, pilot of Southwest flight with blown engine, praised for "nerves of steel"

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Tammie Jo Shults, pilot of Southwest flight with blown engine, praised for "nerves of steel"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/southwest-flight-emergency-landing-pilot-tammie-jo-shults/

A Southwest Airlines pilot who made an emergency landing Tuesday after the jet apparently blew an engine, got hit by shrapnel and lost a window, is being praised for her "nerves of steel" in helping to prevent a far worse tragedy after the catastrophe killed one passenger and left seven others hurt.
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Passengers said she walked through the aisle and talked with them to make sure they were OK after the plane touched down.
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The death of the woman on this flight is tragic. However there are some amazing stories on this flight. At least 2 passengers pulled the dying woman back in. A man stood in front of the window so no one else would be in that position. The crew did everything they could to keep people calm. The passengers and crew were amazingly poised. And while this was going on this pilot saved 149 lives. Many times when tragedy strikes people focus on the negative. There were heroes on this flight.
 
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Kreton said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/southwest-flight-emergency-landing-pilot-tammie-jo-shults/





The death of the woman on this flight is tragic. However there are some amazing stories on this flight. At least 2 passengers pulled the dying woman back in. A man stood in front of the window so no one else would be in that position. The crew did everything they could to keep people calm. The passengers and crew were amazingly poised. And while this was going on this pilot saved 149 lives. Many times when tragedy strikes people focus on the negative. There were heroes on this flight.
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While I agree with most of this, the real credit goes to Southwest Airlines. They train and train and train their pilots for scenarios such as this. The pilot simply followed her training to quickly get to a lower altitude and head for the nearest airport. The plane was fully airworthy, even on one engine.

Every now and then, the pilot is in a scenario for which was no training (the complete loss of hydraulics on a United flight that crashed in Sioux City, SD in 1989), but this was not one of them. Similarly, the USAirways flight that went into the Hudson 10 years ago.... there is training for loss of power on takeoff AND water landings, but water landings are about minimal loss of life. Sully executed a perfect water landing and his decision making impeccable. That was not trained.

This pilot was experienced and likely very skilled, but the recovery was "routine" because her training was excellent.

United, Delta, American, Southwest all have excellent training programs for their pilots. OTH, I would be a little worried in a similar scenario on a commuter airline (the airlines that fly the small planes and jets under the banner of the larger airline).... some of those pilots don't have much experience at all.
 
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TJ's debriefing will surely include what to say/not to say, but if she talks to the press, which I hope she won't, she will give all the glory to God.
 
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upsideguy said:
While I agree with most of this, the real credit goes to Southwest Airlines. They train and train and train their pilots for scenarios such as this. The pilot simply followed her training to quickly get to a lower altitude and head for the nearest airport. The plane was fully airworthy, even on one engine.

Every now and then, the pilot is in a scenario for which was no training (the complete loss of hydraulics on a United flight that crashed in Sioux City, SD in 1989), but this was not one of them. Similarly, the USAirways flight that went into the Hudson 10 years ago.... there is training for loss of power on takeoff AND water landings, but water landings are about minimal loss of life. Sully executed a perfect water landing and his decision making impeccable. That was not trained.

United, Delta, American, Southwest all have excellent training programs for their pilots. This pilot was experienced and likely very skilled, but the recovery was "routine" because her training was excellent.
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The credit, IMO, goes to the United States Navy.
 
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nota bene said:
The credit, IMO, goes to the United States Navy.
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They as well, but the US Navy does not train for the scenario that happened yesterday, as rapid loss of cabin pressure is not a Navy problem. Southwest does that training.
 
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upsideguy said:
They as well, but the US Navy does not train for the scenario that happened yesterday, as rapid loss of cabin pressure is not a Navy problem. Southwest does that training.
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Takes balls to land a plane on a carrier.
 
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upsideguy said:
They as well, but the US Navy does not train for the scenario that happened yesterday, as rapid loss of cabin pressure is not a Navy problem. Southwest does that training.
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No, but learning to land on an air strip that is only a couple hundred yards long, that changes elevation by up to 40 in less time it takes to say willy wonkas wildly wacky wonderment, gives anyone nerves of steel.
 
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nota bene said:
The credit, IMO, goes to the United States Navy.
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upsideguy said:
They as well, but the US Navy does not train for the scenario that happened yesterday, as rapid loss of cabin pressure is not a Navy problem. Southwest does that training.
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Training, while invaluable and indepensible doesn't make a person tough and brave. The training simply teaches a person how to channel that toughness and bravery to focus on the task at hand.

So yeah, Tammie Shuts gets the laurels, for he conduct.
 
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apdst said:
Training, while invaluable and indepensible doesn't make a person tough and brave. The training simply teaches a person how to channel that toughness and bravery to focus on the task at hand.

So yeah, Tammie Shuts gets the laurels, for he conduct.
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As I say, she will give all the glory to God. Trust, she will.
 
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nota bene said:
Takes balls to land a plane on a carrier.
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KevinKohler said:
No, but learning to land on an air strip that is only a couple hundred yards long, that changes elevation by up to 40 in less time it takes to say willy wonkas wildly wacky wonderment, gives anyone nerves of steel.
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Yeah... but the skill required here was to land a 737 on a 12,000' x 200' fixed runway. There was nothing unusual about the "landing" part of this.... My point is that she received very specific training from the airline about what to do in this particular situation. The crux of the danger was not the landing (it was fairly routine), it was how to respond to sudden loss of cabin pressure. The "heroics" happened at 30,000 feet, not on approach to the runway.

apdst said:
Training, while invaluable and indepensible doesn't make a person tough and brave. The training simply teaches a person how to channel that toughness and bravery to focus on the task at hand.

So yeah, Tammie Shuts gets the laurels, for he conduct.
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Not trying to take anything away from the pilot other that notion that it was pure, great piloting that saved the day. No, it was great training of a good pilot.

She deserves some, but not all of the credit. To assign her all the credit is to suggest your personal safety on an airliner rests in the chances that you have a good pilot...... No, it rests in a team that includes the pilot, the airline, the airplane manufacturer and the FAA.
 
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Amazing, simply amazing. Praise is due all around.
 
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Here is good info on Shults cracking the glass ceiling and being the first woman to fly an F/A-18:

She wasn’t allowed to fly in combat while she was in the Navy, according to a 2006 article that is no longer online but can be accessed in a forum about fighter pilots here. But she did become an “aggressor pilot” and an instructor. She resigned her commission in 1993 and joined Southwest Airlines.

According to a Navy magazine story published in 1993, Shults was a member of the Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 34. The story says that she had flown A-7 and F/A-18 aircraft. She said, “In AOCS (Aviation Officer Candidate School), if you’re a woman (or different in any way), you’re a high profile; you’re under more scrutiny.” She said that chances for women to gain knowledge in the aviation community were limited. “It would be nice if they would take away the ceilings (women) have over our heads,” she said. “In VAQ-34, gender doesn’t matter, there’s no advantage or disadvantage. Which proves my point – if there’s a good mix of gender, it ceases to be an issue.” https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/tammie-jo-shults-pilot-southwest-flight-1380-engine-hero/
 
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nota bene said:
Takes balls to land a plane on a carrier.
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yea remember top gun for the NES. what a pain in the rear end trying to land that stupid plane.
 
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Kreton said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/southwest-flight-emergency-landing-pilot-tammie-jo-shults/





The death of the woman on this flight is tragic. However there are some amazing stories on this flight. At least 2 passengers pulled the dying woman back in. A man stood in front of the window so no one else would be in that position. The crew did everything they could to keep people calm. The passengers and crew were amazingly poised. And while this was going on this pilot saved 149 lives. Many times when tragedy strikes people focus on the negative. There were heroes on this flight.
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Just to point out. The woman who was almost sucked out the window survived... someone else died due to shrapnel hitting her.
 
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nota bene said:
As I say, she will give all the glory to God. Trust, she will.
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My response would be “No, God blew up your engine.” :)
 
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Kreton said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/southwest-flight-emergency-landing-pilot-tammie-jo-shults/





The death of the woman on this flight is tragic. However there are some amazing stories on this flight. At least 2 passengers pulled the dying woman back in. A man stood in front of the window so no one else would be in that position. The crew did everything they could to keep people calm. The passengers and crew were amazingly poised. And while this was going on this pilot saved 149 lives. Many times when tragedy strikes people focus on the negative. There were heroes on this flight.
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The cockpit door was closed and locked during this event, the passengers have no idea what her nerves looked like. More than likely though they want to celebrate that a woman got the job done.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
The cockpit door was closed and locked during this event, the passengers have no idea what her nerves looked like. More than likely though they want to celebrate that a woman got the job done.
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RAMOSS said:
Just to point out. The woman who was almost sucked out the window survived... someone else died due to shrapnel hitting her.
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Really? I thought it was the same woman. I apologize for the inaccuracy.
 
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Kreton said:
Really? I thought it was the same woman. I apologize for the inaccuracy.
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So-called journalists have said so....
 
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Counterpoint: If the pilot cant confidently land their plane on one engine then they should not be in the cockpit.
 
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Feel like I've seen this story before. Praise someone doing something as the next American Hero. Then few weeks later dig up some gossip and tear them down.


The Hudson river pilot was a hero then rumors of him being drunk refusing tests untill later etc...
 
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Chillfolks said:
Feel like I've seen this story before. Praise someone doing something as the next American Hero. Then few weeks later dig up some gossip and tear them down.


The Hudson river pilot was a hero then rumors of him being drunk refusing tests untill later etc...
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Surely Hollywood will want to do a movie about this as part of their UP WITH WOMEN political push.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Surely Hollywood will want to do a movie about this as part of their UP WITH WOMEN political push.
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Lifetime maybe a Hallmark movie.

As they start to dig, what will they find and exploit. Just seen it too many times. Raise em up Tarnish em Break em down repeat.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Just to point out. The woman who was almost sucked out the window survived... someone else died due to shrapnel hitting her.
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You're mistaken; the woman who was nearly sucked out the window, Jennifer Riordan of New Mexico, is also the one who died. Serious head and facial trauma according to the retired nurse who performed CPR to no avail.
 
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