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GOP McConnell shuts down bill to protect Mueller

https://apnews.com/bfb5ad674cec4f90...-McConnell-shuts-down-bill-to-protect-Mueller



Republicans have to be the adults in the room as usual. Democrats are willing to tear up the Constitution to get to Trump. Really the GOP is saving the left from themselves. One day(no time soon) a Democrat President will be in office, and you can't be allowed to enact laws that call for an untouchable investigation without limits against a sitting President. That's not how a democracy/republic works. Ideas like that are what bring down governments. And either the left are ignorant of these facts or just don't care.

Most of us are just waiting for the democratic party to bury themselves again. Much less with everything that is going on. The investigation into Benghazi was over 2 years wasn't it. Yet we know that the parties involved had more then enough protection to keep on trucking as they did.

If Mueller is holding out for something to come forward and then try and spring it at the right moment. He is doing this in all the wrong ways. Because that whole raid for information pertaining to the Stormy issue was already a red flag if anyone had already missed the others.

This bill not getting passed was basically just them trying to get more leverage and failing all over again.
 
https://apnews.com/bfb5ad674cec4f90...-McConnell-shuts-down-bill-to-protect-Mueller



Republicans have to be the adults in the room as usual. Democrats are willing to tear up the Constitution to get to Trump. Really the GOP is saving the left from themselves. One day(no time soon) a Democrat President will be in office, and you can't be allowed to enact laws that call for an untouchable investigation without limits against a sitting President. That's not how a democracy/republic works. Ideas like that are what bring down governments. And either the left are ignorant of these facts or just don't care.

My interpretation of the Congress' appropriate behavior is that they should provide a check on the executive branch, which they have obviously failed to do. They have proven time and time again they are willing to do what it takes to protect this president, and that's not really their jobs. They work for the citizens of this country. So I'll have to disagree with you there. They have gone to great lengths to protect trump and it's a shame. We have other branches of government for a reason, and they are not in place to protect the president. I sound expect the same from a democratic congress over a democratic president. Should always be country over party.

I also don't understand how some think that mueller can just "wrap up" his investigation. That's not how it works. He's building a case, and to do correctly, it takes time. It takes time to gather witnesses, testimony, etc. you cannot rush this. I believe federal investigators have 5 years under a SOL to charge a crime. There was already reporting that said mueller will issue a report on obstruction anywhere from April to July (if I can recall correctly) but even that may change if he finds new evidence. But You can't just tell an investigator to wrap up an investigation. That's common sense. Also, How long did watergate take? Was anyone begging cox to preliminarily wrap that investigation up?


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My interpretation of the Congress' appropriate behavior is that they should provide a check on the executive branch, which they have obviously failed to do. They have proven time and time again they are willing to do what it takes to protect this president, and that's not really their jobs. They work for the citizens of this country. So I'll have to disagree with you there. They have gone to great lengths to protect trump and it's a shame. We have other branches of government for a reason, and they are not in place to protect the president. I sound expect the same from a democratic congress over a democratic president. Should always be country over party.

I also don't understand how some think that mueller can just "wrap up" his investigation. That's not how it works. He's building a case, and to do correctly, it takes time. It takes time to gather witnesses, testimony, etc. you cannot rush this. I believe federal investigators have 5 years under a SOL to charge a crime. There was already reporting that said mueller will issue a report on obstruction anywhere from April to July (if I can recall correctly) but even that may change if he finds new evidence. But You can't just tell an investigator to wrap up an investigation. That's common sense. Also, How long did watergate take? Was anyone begging cox to preliminarily wrap that investigation up?


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Comparing this to Watergate is a dumb analogy. Watergate began with an established crime and proceeded from there like most investigations do. In this case we have an investigation in search of a crime like the communists used to do to rid themselves of political enemies.

See the difference?
 
The nation was united behind him, but now we are not, Trump has been winning.

That is a super sized problem for him.

You aren't the nation and you don't speak for me. Speak for yourself. I'm behind Mueller as he is doing a great job and has even put the media on notice (for both sides) that they are getting things wrong right now.
 
It was a "bi-partisan" bill....that no one expected to pass...let alone have the president to sign it.

It's also unconstitutional.
 
This bill not getting passed was basically just them trying to get more leverage and failing all over again.

Nope, the result of this is the Republicans once again putting the heads on the chopping block for Trump. McConnell has assured over and over that Trump will not fire Mueller so when he does senate Republicans are the ones who will take the hit.

I don't expect Trump to do this until AFTER the midterms. If the Dems gain enough power, Trump won't fire Mueller. If it stays the same with Republicans in control of both houses Trump will fire Mueller shortly after the midterms.
 
Looks like the Majority Leader is once again putting party politics before country.
 
You aren't the nation and you don't speak for me. Speak for yourself. I'm behind Mueller as he is doing a great job and has even put the media on notice (for both sides) that they are getting things wrong right now.

That should concern the anti-Trumpers, because there are far more guilty stories than innocent stories.
 
It's also unconstitutional.

So is Trump attacking Syria without congressional approval but you don't really care about the constitution so quick acting like you do.
 
That should concern the anti-Trumpers, because there are far more guilty stories than innocent stories.

What do you mean by "guilty" stories?
 
Looks like the Majority Leader is once again putting party politics before country.

He's putting The Constitution before politics.; probably unintentionally, but still.
 
So is Trump attacking Syria without congressional approval but you don't really care about the constitution so quick acting like you do.

He doesn't need congressional approval.
 
Comparing this to Watergate is a dumb analogy. Watergate began with an established crime and proceeded from there like most investigations do. In this case we have an investigation in search of a crime like the communists used to do to rid themselves of political enemies.

See the difference?

Maybe it's not on the same scale as watergate (we won't know until it's concluded) but both investigations involved the President and possible obstruction of justice. That's a similarity. Compare it to whatever investigation you'd like. My point is, no matter the type investigation, it will proceed at its own course. When investigators decide it's complete, that's when we'll (the public) know the truth. Hopefully.


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How long did Starr investigate Whitewater?

Again, horrible analogy. They were looking Into whitewater records that went back 10 years. That's a large span of time to cover. Mueller is only concerned with activities over the span of a few months.

Jimmy Carter even says Mueller needs to wrap it up and present his findings. Go tell him about whitewater.
 
I think a Trump should punlicslly give Meuller 30 days to wrap it up and report or fire him.

Trump still has the senate so an impeachment has zero chance.

I don't blame Mueller in a way. I blame his boss Rosenstein who has allowed him to roam whereever. These "special investigators" do what they do, remember the blue dress in an investigation of a land deal?
 
That isn't what you guys said with Obama. Make up your minds.

That's exactly what I said. Go look it up.

It was funny. I was called a war monger, of course. The Libbos were like "Conservatives never saw a war they didn't like. That's why you're supporting Onama, now!".
 
Again, horrible analogy. They were looking Into whitewater records that went back 10 years. That's a large span of time to cover. Mueller is only concerned with activities over the span of a few months.

Jimmy Carter even says Mueller needs to wrap it up and present his findings. Go tell him about whitewater.

Well, I highly doubt Mueller is going to wrap up his investigation at the request of jimmy carter. Honestly I don't think mueller even pays attention to the outside noise, as he shouldn't. That's all it is- noise.


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https://apnews.com/bfb5ad674cec4f90...-McConnell-shuts-down-bill-to-protect-Mueller



Republicans have to be the adults in the room as usual. Democrats are willing to tear up the Constitution to get to Trump. Really the GOP is saving the left from themselves. One day(no time soon) a Democrat President will be in office, and you can't be allowed to enact laws that call for an untouchable investigation without limits against a sitting President. That's not how a democracy/republic works. Ideas like that are what bring down governments. And either the left are ignorant of these facts or just don't care.

So you think it would be just fine for a president to fire a special council looking into his own wrongdoing? Should Bill Clinton have been able to fire Ken Star?

You also are displaying an astounding level of historical ignorance. Bill Clinton was investigated by a special prosecutor who spend nearly his entire terms in office first on White Water and finally getting charges related to a consensual blow job from an adult woman, all for a $75 million price tag. No other wrongdoing was ever found. So you can drop the sanctimony about persecution of poor Mr. Trump and the laughable statement about Republicans being the adults in the room. Instead, they are co-conspirators and enablers of the most corrupt president in history.
 
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Again, horrible analogy. They were looking Into whitewater records that went back 10 years. That's a large span of time to cover. Mueller is only concerned with activities over the span of a few months.

Jimmy Carter even says Mueller needs to wrap it up and present his findings. Go tell him about whitewater.
Carter didn't say what you say he said.

 
https://apnews.com/bfb5ad674cec4f90...-McConnell-shuts-down-bill-to-protect-Mueller



Republicans have to be the adults in the room as usual. Democrats are willing to tear up the Constitution to get to Trump. Really the GOP is saving the left from themselves. One day(no time soon) a Democrat President will be in office, and you can't be allowed to enact laws that call for an untouchable investigation without limits against a sitting President. That's not how a democracy/republic works. Ideas like that are what bring down governments. And either the left are ignorant of these facts or just don't care.

Great points.

Look at the problems created with the CFPB; nobody should be granted special, unaccountable positions w/ power.
 
Maybe it's not on the same scale as watergate (we won't know until it's concluded) but both investigations involved the President and possible obstruction of justice. That's a similarity. Compare it to whatever investigation you'd like. My point is, no matter the type investigation, it will proceed at its own course. When investigators decide it's complete, that's when we'll (the public) know the truth. Hopefully.


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It's only been a little over a year. Keep that in mind. I know the Trumpettes decided that everyone was innocent within 5 minutes, but that's not reality.

This is potentially deeper than Hillary's emails and Benghazi, but God knows how long those investigations went on.
 
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