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A viral video that appeared to show Obama calling Trump a 'dips---' shows a disturbing new trend cal

JANFU said:
I beg to differ. In my last employment met 10's of thousands of people, some bright as hell to other not so much. Majority were truckers, and many would be surprised at how well educated many are.
Throw in that many got hung up on obviously false reports, from FB to some news site, to other sources.

Quoting Churchill here
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/winston_churchill_103564


In the constant media world we live in, connected to many people anywhere on the planet, it now travels at the speed of the internet.

Countless times I have shown these people who checked on Google they were wrong.
The younger generation are quicker to pick up on this as their phone is their heartbeat.

Look at one instance from the last Presidential election
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/pizzagate-anatomy-of-a-fake-news-scandal-w511904
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And I say it is because of Pizza gate and the election of Trump that has cast light on this, when pizzagate happened how many people had even heard of the phenomena?

But, as you point out, information travels very fast. I know it is chic to be cynical and Winnie has the best quotes, but that speed has also served to inform the public.
 
Fearandloathing said:
And I say it is because of Pizza gate and the election of Trump that has cast light on this, when pizzagate happened how many people had even heard of the phenomena?

But, as you point out, information travels very fast. I know it is chic to be cynical and Winnie has the best quotes, but that speed has also served to inform the public.
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True and we are a herd animal.
 
JANFU said:
Amazing how many get their point of view from the likes of Hannity and others.
Kerist, we have all seen those videos posted here as a rebuttal.
For a College dropout Hannity does quite well selling to the Rubes. FOX News- salary est 36 M per year -estimated net worth 80 Mil.
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Well, if you remember I gave you a piece in Political that displayed data showing Trump's popularity excels in places where there is little mainstream news or local independent news presence. Those individuals often get their news from Trump's Tweets & other internet sources.
 
JANFU said:
Deepfake: Fake Obama video calling Trump dip**** is a disturbing trend - Business Insider

The New Fake News and it will hit like a Tsunami this year.
I am sure everyone will be swamped by these newer attacks, and yes Russia will be involved.



The new information war is coming to a website near you and yes people should be afrai

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I saw a sample of that video technology demonstrated on the NBC action/drama series "Taken" recently. That's some scary sh**! Takes "fake news" to a whole nutha level.
 
Captain America said:
I wouldn't worry too much about it. The people who believe most of that kind of crap are gonna vote republican anyways.
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Plenty of other, less obvious, more damaging, ways to apply such.
 
Chomsky said:
Well, if you remember I gave you a piece in Political that displayed data showing Trump's popularity excels in places where there is little mainstream news or local independent news presence. Those individuals often get their news from Trump's Tweets & other internet sources.
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Sorry I do not recall, and I should have bookmarked it. But yes I can agree. Those in Red States are the ones who will be significantly impacted by SS changes, Medicare, Obamacare, SNAP and other entitlement programs.
Voting to cut their own throats. or think that Trump will look after them, not clear thinking
 
JANFU said:
Sorry I do not recall, and I should have bookmarked it. But yes I can agree. Those in Red States are the ones who will be significantly impacted by SS changes, Medicare, Obamacare, SNAP and other entitlement programs.
Voting to cut their own throats. or think that Trump will look after them, not clear thinking
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If you're interested, it is pretty good:

Politico: How Trump thrives in ‘news deserts’
 
Erod said:
Video will mean nothing soon. It can be fabricated.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. No more edited videos to portray a narrative will be believed.
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Which of course is the point. It's exactly what Trump and his supporters have been doing for the past two years: exhaust the public with an avalanche of lies so the everybody gives up and just assumes that there is no such thing as truth.
 
JANFU said:
Finished, thanks, an excellent article, with a ton of information. Bookmarked and saved for later use.
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Yep.

I've been meaning to start a thread on it, if I'm too lazy.
 
Chomsky said:
Yep.

I've been meaning to start a thread on it, if I'm too lazy.
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A ton of material there, everything from Media concentration, which I view as a threat to Democracy, to limited access to information in order to make an informed opinion, education levels, to how Conventions changed from the backroom deals to the present Primaries
 
Lovebug said:
So does that mean fake news is real?
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Lovebug:

No. Nor does it mean that real news is fake; which it sometimes is.

The capacity to better fake video just means that people have to awaken from their comfortable political stupor and must start exercising more acute critical thinking and multi-sourced analytical review of the news presented to them, rather than swallowing wholesale the info-pablum being routinely spun at them each day without questioning what they are consuming. News equals advertising of one explanation for ongoing events, sanctioned by those who produce the news, at the expense of other possible explanations which are not so mainstream and broadly available to the lazy consumer of news. History is the long-term accretion of these layers of mainstream advertising/explanation of events built-up overtime as a received orthodoxy which stands until corrected or distorted by later reanalysis and revision. This has been true since the first recording of pictographs on rock surfaces through imperial bas-reliefs, statuary and monuments of old, cuneiform baked-clay tablets, illuminated manuscripts, printed books and broadsheets, mass-produced newspapers, radio, television and now the interwebs. The world we understand is an internal projection of this process of advertising and accretion and is different from any objective reality which may or may not really exist below our ersatz understanding for all intents and purposes.

Thorough analysis of the metadata embedded in a digital video may go a long way to reducing the impact of such ruses and fakes on the population but the best and last line of defense are proactive analysis and reasoned skepticism in what media sells us and reports to us until such assertions can be verified by ourselves using a wide set of sources with varying political and ideological biases and agendas. Better understanding of "news" requires work on the part of the news-consumer as well as the hawkers of explanation.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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JANFU said:
Viral is what we will see, videos well crafted, looks real as hell, and then it goes from there. Will Russia be leading the pack, yes, but Iran will be there as well.
They create fear, division, distrust of all Govt Officials, neighbors, friends, ethnic groups. Only going to get worse.

Why the US in concert with NATO Allies do not send warning shots to Russia, Iran and others is beyond me.
This is the new warfare, cheap, effective and easily spread.
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JANFU:

Not so new a practice by states and not always directed at foreign populations. Propaganda is rooted in social control through the marketing of compliance and the manufacturing of consent. This has been true since the beginning of the 20th century and the ascendency of the public relations industries efforts in concert with state-sponsered domestic propaganda. Read Walter Lippmann and Edward Bernays for the roots of manufactured consent through the use of advertising/domestic propaganda. In the mean time this is a thought-provoking little video which tells part of the story. The video is from Al Jezeera English's programme "The Listening Post" which is produced by Canadian Richard Ginzbert and is narrated by American Amy Goodman of "Democracy Now!".



Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Cardinal said:
Which of course is the point. It's exactly what Trump and his supporters have been doing for the past two years: exhaust the public with an avalanche of lies so the everybody gives up and just assumes that there is no such thing as truth.
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This entire investigation is built on a predetermined lie.

It isn't working.
 
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