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Calls grow to boycott starbucks after two black men arrested for not making order

The article keeps calling them business men and about what a groundbreaking moment this was in their lives then quotes the guy saying something like 'this isnt gonna happen' indicating leaving the store.

I watched the other video. They claimed that they couldn't believe they were getting arrested and admitted to calling their friend, but couldn't simply say, "we're going to have to go somewhere else because they are asking us to leave"? I don't get that part. They could easily have done that and filed discrimination charges. People were filming by then. They would have at least some evidence.
 
LOL, it's amazing how righties never read links. Good god, I guess I should have posted this article instead. None of you seem to be able to get past a headline:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/starbucks-arrest-rashon-nelson-donte-robinson-feared-for-their-lives/

This one says police asked them to leave and they refused so they were arrested.

Did the employee create a situation out of nothing? Yes.

Everybody agrees... what is it you are adding to the discussion?
 
I watched the other video. They claimed that they couldn't believe they were getting arrested and admitted to calling their friend, but couldn't simply say, "we're going to have to go somewhere else because they are asking us to leave"? I don't get that part. They could easily have done that and filed discrimination charges. People were filming by then. They would have at least some evidence.

And their life changing meeting...
 
The policy is left to individual stores. That may be the problem. But at the same time, not every store faces the same situations, such as homeless or others who abuse their restrooms, forcing some Starbucks to weigh denying access so that they don't have to be constantly cleaning those restrooms and possibly denying someone access who will complain, especially to the media or allowing access to all and having to do a helluva lot more work (because most such places do not increase personnel for such things). It is a rock and a hard place. Some stores have simply closed off or completely removed public restrooms. The answer just isn't so simple.

[UPDATE] Toilet Terror: Starbucks Closing Its NYC Restrooms To EVERYONE: Gothamist

There needs to be some understanding by the public. I understand, at least to a point, because I've worked as a manager in retail. When we got our portable dressing rooms, someone peed in one (or allowed their pet or child to) and did not clean it up, so we had to. It was on the floor. Others were upset that we could close the regular fitting rooms early or not open them until later unlike other stores in the chain which didn't get the portable dressing rooms (we were a test store). Since we did get to close early, the store was also given less money for staff to cover those hours. Some stores in the chain have restrooms behind locked doors, which means someone had to run back there in our store at least to push the button to open the door to the restroom. Plenty of complaints on that one, especially during busy months. Not all stores in the chain have locks on their restroom doors though. (For retail stores, its more a security thing so that people aren't shoplifting while using our restrooms.) All of this goes into how much staff a store needs for any given time of day, and that means crappy working conditions for current employees at such businesses if they are thrown to the wolves that are customers who can't understand why they don't always get to use things for free.

Would explain why some fast-food restaurants started designing their stores with the restrooms in the lobby entrance separate from the dinning area.
 
This one says police asked them to leave and they refused so they were arrested.

Did the employee create a situation out of nothing? Yes.

Everybody agrees... what is it you are adding to the discussion?

Really? Everyone agrees? Then what is being debated?
 
Oh what the fudge ever. I mean, their were loitering and asked to leave by both management and then the police and they refused. For the love of all that is holy, why boycott it?

Because, while other restaurants get you in and out as fast as they can so other customers can pay money, Starbucks took a different approach from the very beginning. The Starbucks concept is to offer customers an "office away from office". I personally have spent a couple of hours inside a Starbucks creating a proposal for a customer, and not buying coffee for the first 15 or 20 minutes I was there. of course I am white. Whoever is responsible for having the 2 black guys arrested is a racist asshole who needs to be fired for giving Starbucks a bad name. The real irony here is that the 2 black guys were waiting to have a meeting with a white guy over coffee, and were polite enough to wait for the white guy to show up before ordering. Being polite can get black guys thrown in jail these days, it seems.
 
Because, while other restaurants get you in and out as fast as they can so other customers can pay money, Starbucks took a different approach from the very beginning. The Starbucks concept is to offer customers an "office away from office". I personally have spent a couple of hours inside a Starbucks creating a proposal for a customer, and not buying coffee for the first 15 or 20 minutes I was there. of course I am white. Whoever is responsible for having the 2 black guys arrested is a racist asshole who needs to be fired for giving Starbucks a bad name. The real irony here is that the 2 black guys were waiting to have a meeting with a white guy over coffee, and were polite enough to wait for the white guy to show up before ordering. Being polite can get black guys thrown in jail these days, it seems.

It seems that there were quite a few mistakes by Starbucks, but also that they are taking measures to correct it as well.

I guess people spend time at Starbucks, I really only go to the drive thru if I go to Starbucks at all. I rather go to our local coffee shops using Fair Trade beans.
 
Really? Everyone agrees? Then what is being debated?

Everybody agrees on the facts. What is being debated is stupidity by those that agree with the facts but are trying to turn it into something bigger or more sinister than a stupid employee.
It's a fair question, and one several patrons also asked.

No... it is a loaded question.
 
Everybody agrees on the facts. What is being debated is stupidity by those that agree with the facts but are trying to turn it into something bigger or more sinister than a stupid employee.

It's part of something bigger and more sinister. It didn't happen in a vacuum.
 
It's part of something bigger and more sinister. It didn't happen in a vacuum.



The bias training is the right thing to do. However, bias is socially engendered over a lifetime and a training course cannot correct such a bias, even when those taking the course are open-minded and want to correct any bias they may have. It’s something that an entire society must first accept as necessary and then undertake consciously over the course of generations.

I also do not necessarily think of Starbucks as being “progressive”, as has been said elsewhere in this thread, without evidence supporting such a notion. For instance, what percentage of the 28,000 Starbucks stores have minority or African-American store managers?

Racists are like people who don’t pick up after their dog. The evidence is obvious, but nobody admits to it.
 
The bias training is the right thing to do. However, bias is socially engendered over a lifetime and a training course cannot correct such a bias, even when those taking the course are open-minded and want to correct any bias they may have. It’s something that an entire society must first accept as necessary and then undertake consciously over the course of generations.

I also do not necessarily think of Starbucks as being “progressive”, as has been said elsewhere in this thread, without evidence supporting such a notion. For instance, what percentage of the 28,000 Starbucks stores have minority or African-American store managers?

Racists are like people who don’t pick up after their dog. The evidence is obvious, but nobody admits to it.

Prove Starbucks is a racist organization then...
 
Prove Starbucks is a racist organization then...

I saw someone say "Starbucks are always a favorite in the woke Olympics (paraphrase maybe)" so are they really the right target for our hostility?

Of course not, these clowns have proven yet again what a joke they are.

Trying to meet their demands is a fools errand.
 
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Yes. White people. Got it.

No. Systemic privilege.

Stop pretending this happened in a vacuum. As if it means nothing and is evidence of nothing. That's living in denial.
 
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Because, while other restaurants get you in and out as fast as they can so other customers can pay money, Starbucks took a different approach from the very beginning. The Starbucks concept is to offer customers an "office away from office". I personally have spent a couple of hours inside a Starbucks creating a proposal for a customer, and not buying coffee for the first 15 or 20 minutes I was there. of course I am white. Whoever is responsible for having the 2 black guys arrested is a racist asshole who needs to be fired for giving Starbucks a bad name. The real irony here is that the 2 black guys were waiting to have a meeting with a white guy over coffee, and were polite enough to wait for the white guy to show up before ordering. Being polite can get black guys thrown in jail these days, it seems.

And there have been white people who have been asked to leave as well, just for asking to use the restroom.

Pregnant woman says Starbucks wouldn't let her use bathroom | abc7.com

This is the issue. That the immediate response is "must be because they are black". Where is the actual evidence for that? So far, we have a claim by someone who says others were allowed to use the restroom, but we don't know if they happened to get a different store employee or if there was some other reason. There was simply an assumption made about race being the factor rather than something else. We don't know the employee's point of view or reasoning here, only assumptions made about it.
 
It's part of something bigger and more sinister. It didn't happen in a vacuum.

You can't prove this and have no evidence that this is actually the case though. That is a problem. The automatic assumption is "racism", "bias", but this is being made without any real evidence.
 
Prove Starbucks is a racist organization then...


Where did I say Starbucks is racist that you would demand I prove so? You are making a false assumption of my post. Or, perhaps you can give some clarity around what you mean by your reply to me.
 
Black men arrested at Philadelphia Starbucks reach agreements

Two African-American men whose arrest at a Philadelphia Starbucks sparked protests over racial bias have reached agreements with the coffee store chain and the city, and have pledged to support a $200,000 effort to encourage young entrepreneurs.

The details of the financial agreement that Donte Robinson and Rashon Nelson reached this week with Starbucks are confidential, the company said. The parties agreed to work to "develop specific actions and opportunities."

The two men will give input to former US Attorney Eric Holder, who is working with Starbucks on its diversity efforts.

Robinson and Nelson also reached an agreement with the city for $1 each, said city spokesman Mike Dunn.​

So... who in here was thinking they were in it for the money?
 
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