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Trump announces U.S. military strikes in Syria

Rexedgar said:
lead a horse...........from either end....can't make him drink!

Read some history and get back to me.......
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From what I have followed along with here, I think you are both skirting around an historical issue in which you both pretty much agree. It happens to be the same issue in which all historians agree. But you have decided to create opposing arguments for no real reason.

Tonken was a huge misunderstanding on "the ground," which led to a misunderstanding at higher commands, which led to a known exploitation by the
Johnson Administration to convince Congress to give him authority to use conventional military force in Southeast Asia to protect local military forces.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Cute, but you're still caught out with an unsupported claim.
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I supplied the other poster with enough links, I can not read them for him. Tell me what was achieved in the Viet Nam action? There are volumes written about the deception involved in ramping up the war machine. If it wasn't Gulf of Tonkin do you not think there would have been another questionable "incident'" to gin up the action?

Refresh my memory as to 'my claim.'
 
MSgt said:
From what I have followed along with, I think you are both skirting around an historical issue that is agreed upon by just about every single legitimate historian agrees with.
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Well, Top, where do you stand?
 
Saladin4 said:
The Syrian regime lost nothing of value....Hell the Russians never even activated their antiquated defense missiles.....The whole thing was a sham
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Not of any value according to whom?

And why would the Russians activate their missiles? They weren't the target and they knew it.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Conservative. :2wave:

WHY do we want a regime change in Syria? I'm beginning to think I'm the only person here on DP who doesn't believe Assad is responsible for the recent chemical attacks in his country! Since I have yet to hear any rational explanation of why this might have seemed like a good idea to him, I am going to continue to believe the inspectors sent by the UN a few years ago - on the chemical attack that happened then - who stated Assad's government could not have been involved in the attacks and gave their reasons for their statement, one of which was the distance and the direction the missiles would have had to travel to deliver the chemicals, or something like that, IIRC.

In any event, I am glad that we have now destroyed the chemicals that we knew about, and I hope that's all of them! :yes:
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I never supported a regime change in Syria and am also happy that the chemical weapons centers have been destroyed. Whether he used the weapons or not isn't clear but the fact that he had them is. IMO some came from Iraq but regardless like you I don't know but do know that we did the right thing with our allies of UK and France which has to drive the left crazy.
 
Rexedgar said:
I supplied the other poster with enough links, I can not read them for him. Tell me what was achieved in the Viet Nam action? There are volumes written about the deception involved in ramping up the war machine. If it wasn't Gulf of Tonkin do you not think there would have been another questionable "incident'" to gin up the action?

Refresh my memory as to 'my claim.'
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You said Tonkin was a lie. There is no dispute the 2 August attack happened. Report of a subsequent attack may (or may not) have been mistaken. But there is no evidence of a lie.

Most Americans were willing to kill in Vietnam but most were not willing to die. It was that compromised moral base, and not any elaborate deception, that made the war a misadventure.
 
Fledermaus said:
Not of any value according to whom?

And why would the Russians activate their missiles? They weren't the target and they knew it.
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They are deployed outside of Syrian Airfields...That should have been one of the targets...105 Missiles....Basically wasted on old buildings
 
Saladin4 said:
Some abandoned warehouses and chemical facilities...Nothing of any value....This was just some grandstanding by trump....Pathetic and weak
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First hand knowledge or just more leftwing hate rhetoric coming from you?
 
Conservative said:
I never supported a regime change in Syria and am also happy that the chemical weapons centers have been destroyed. Whether he used the weapons or not isn't clear but the fact that he had them is. IMO some came from Iraq but regardless like you I don't know but do know that we did the right thing with our allies of UK and France which has to drive the left crazy.
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Actually the biggest critics has been the Fox News Crowd...They look on Putin and Assad as Allies it seems
 
Saladin4 said:
They are deployed outside of Syrian Airfields...That should have been one of the targets...105 Missiles....Basically wasted on old buildings
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Not of any value according to whom?

Basically wasted on old buildings according to whom?

And why would the Russians activate their missiles? They weren't the target and they knew it.
 
Conservative said:
First hand knowledge or just more leftwing hate rhetoric coming from you?
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All media reports show Nothing of value hit.....Syrian TV showed Assad laughing and smiling......The attack was weak...timid and useless...US aircraft never entered Syrian Air Space
 
Saladin4 said:
All media reports show Nothing of value hit.....Syrian TV showed Assad laughing and smiling......The attack was weak...timid and useless...US aircraft never entered Syrian Air Space
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Syrian TV doesn't matter in the slightest.
The targets were in the Syrian chemical weapons program. I'm confident no talking head knows anything about that.
 
Saladin4 said:
All media reports show Nothing of value hit.....Syrian TV showed Assad laughing and smiling......The attack was weak...timid and useless...US aircraft never entered Syrian Air Space
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Not of any value according to whom?

Basically wasted on old buildings according to whom?

I see a whole lot of CLAIMING but precious little supporting.

They hit three of Mr. Assad’s chemical weapons facilities: a scientific research center in greater Damascus that was used in the production of weapons, and two chemical weapons facilities west of Homs, one of which was used for the production of the nerve agent sarin and the other was part of a military command post, said Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Which one of those is an "empty warehouse"?
 
Rexedgar said:
Well, Top, where do you stand?
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On Tonken?

According to the historians,

Tonken was a huge misunderstanding on "the ground," which led to a misunderstanding at higher commands, which led to a known exploitation by the
Johnson Administration to convince Congress to give him authority to use conventional military force in Southeast Asia to protect local military forces.

One could declare a "lie" emerged along the way. The historical evidence backs this up.
 
MSgt said:
On Tonken?

According to the historians,

Tonken was a huge misunderstanding on "the ground," which led to a misunderstanding at higher commands, which led to a known exploitation by the
Johnson Administration to convince Congress to give him authority to use conventional military force in Southeast Asia to protect local military forces.
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Dead on balls accurate...
 
MSgt said:
On Tonken?

According to the historians,

Tonken was a huge misunderstanding on "the ground," which led to a misunderstanding at higher commands, which led to a known exploitation by the
Johnson Administration to convince Congress to give him authority to use conventional military force in Southeast Asia to protect local military forces.
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And yet the 2 August attack is undisputed.
 
Fledermaus said:
True... Twas the following non attack that many take as a "Lie".
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It may or may not have been a "non attack" but that's not really important. A decent respect for the fog of war should make people ashamed to characterize mistakes as lies.
 
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