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Trump announces U.S. military strikes in Syria

So what is the end game then? We just going to hit a few airfields only to see them return to operation within 24 hours...again?

The end game is when Trump invites all of his cabinet to The White House next Monday & Trump does a karaoke version of The Village People :lol:



 
Hit them until they stop gassing their own citizens I would imagine is the goal.

We're okay with him dropping barrel bombs on them, shelling them with artillery, bombing and strafing them with jets, blasting them to pieces with main gun and co-axial machine gun fire from tanks, and mowing them down with Ak's, PKM's, and DSHk's.

But we draw the line at gassing them.

How chivalrous of us.
 
Hit them until they stop gassing their own citizens I would imagine is the goal.

We don't even know for a fact that's what happened. ISIS, for example, has a whole lot more motive to gas the Syrian people than Assad does.
 
We're okay with him dropping barrel bombs on them, shelling them with artillery, bombing and strafing them with jets, blasting them to pieces with main gun and co-axial machine gun fire from tanks, and mowing them down with Ak's, PKM's, and DSHk's.

But we draw the line at gassing them.

How chivalrous of us.

Agreed. The whole damned world has just ho-hummed this 7-year massacre. It's a travesty.
 
So what is the end game then? We just going to hit a few airfields only to see them return to operation within 24 hours...again?
Perhaps we should do what the last guy did and endorse the Putin plan. :lamo
 
God speed to US Armed forces, Britain and France!


Trump announces U.S. military strikes in Syria

Trump announces U.S. military strikes in Syria | Fox News



President Trump on Friday announced that he has approved military strikes in Syria against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The announcement follows a suspected chemical gas attack from the Assad regime on a rebel-held town near the Syrian capital last weekend.

Yes, indeedy. SUSPECTED. No proof. On the other hand, a lovely and timely distraction from Trump's legal problems. TRUTH will be suspended without gov't approval.
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I remember when obama went to congress for a strike. Congress said no. Then he got blamed for letting the "red line" go by by the same people who blocked the action.

I wonder how the repubs wouldve acted had he done it like trump and just bypassed congress?

Nah... I dont actually wonder.

Obama knew Congress would say no. That's why he did it; so he could say "I tried, but they wouldn't let me".

One of the biggest examples of his piss poor leadership ability.
 
Obama knew Congress would say no. That's why he did it; so he could say "I tried, but they wouldn't let me".

One of the biggest examples of his piss poor leadership ability.

Or maybe Obama was listening to Trump's Twitter advice. :lol:
 
I can't help but think that the people who are condemning Trump for bombing chemical factories, military airbases, etc., in Syria would be condemning him if he DIDN'T do anything.
Make up your partisan minds---you can't have it both ways.
I hate war, I didn't want the Iraq war, think we should also withdraw from Syria, and mind our own business as much as possible, but there's a line in the sand that should never be crossed, and folks when it comes to savages using chemical weapons on their own people there is no other alternative....
 
This will probably surprise the tribal partisans on both sides, but my only problem with this strike by the US, UK and France is that Trump the Big Mouthed telegraphed (now spelled "tweet") it to the entire world a week in advance.

Those who complain about Obama's "red line" that came and went are right. Those who complain that Obama's "red line" only came and went because congress blocked his request are right. The US President, Obama then and Trump now, spoke for us as a nation, and does by judicial review and precedent, have the right to issue strikes in response to certain conditions... use of chemical weapons being one of them.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't believe this attack was absolutely necessary, because that deliberate chemical attack was a test on the USA's resolve and Trump's willingness to do anything whatsoever that Russia didn't want him to do. Other than wishing his staff had duct-taped his tweeting fingers together, I support what was done tonight, which was limited to three areas actually researching, developing, storing and using chemical weapons.

That said, I'm also nervous that our troops in eastern Syria might be subjected to retaliatory strikes. Until there is regime change in Syria, or a truce brokered and enforced by a strong coalition of global military might, there will be slaughter and retaliation until the entire country is in ruin, Assad ends up dead, and the Russian flag flies over Damascus. Nobody on the planet wants to see that happen (outside of Moscow), so we and our allies have to either pay the price to stop it or wave a white flag and direct our attention solely on our own floundering, truly ****ed up government. Surely we as a people can manage to walk and chew gum at the same time.

I loathe Assad. He's a barbaric dictator, much the same as Saddam Hussein. That said, our nation has stood by (and in some cases aided) and watched dictators massacre their own citizens for decades. Our position on this is going to seen as hypocritical, and one more move by western powers to affect regime change in the middle east. That is our end game. We are going to ratchet up the rhetoric and ease ourselves into a full on effort to bring Assad down. And when that happens, as it did in Iraq, we will not be prepared for the power vacuum it will create.

This is no longer about fighting ISIS in Syria, this is about taking a side in the Syrian civil war and actively intervening to topple Assad. That's where this is going. Not that it isn't a worthwhile endeavor, Assad is horrible. But we are now flirting with a shooting war with both Russia and Iran as a result of this act. They, like us, are there for selfish reasons. This is an opportunity for us to expand our sphere of influence in the region, just the same as it is for Russia and Iran.

Is risking war with Russia and Iraq worth this? If this continues to escalate, we are not going to be able to contain it.
 
Oh, how delicious.

Tell me, why would this teach them that?

Please very specific.

It's called "responsive escalation". Basically it means that each time we hit them, we hit them a little harder.

The message it send is Assad will lose even more with each strike. Last year he lost some podunk airstrip out in Dogpatch. This time, he lost the Damascus airport.
 
I can't help but think that the people who are condemning Trump for bombing chemical factories, military airbases, etc., in Syria would be condemning him if he DIDN'T do anything.

That would be the neoliberals and neocons. Not too many of those on DP.
 
Do you really need it defined? There is something called Google, my friend.

Militarism=philosophy of strong, aggressive military action to promote state interests.

If you think strikes against a sovereign nation in a civil war are a good thing then you are a militarist... no different from any neocon or neoliberal.

Of course I need YOU to define what YOU think it means; google is neither the first nor last word on meanings, as you might find if you browse search results.

So then, if I think strikes against a "sovereign" nation is a good thing then not only am I "militarist", then so is Obama, Clinton, the leaders of the UK, France, and all of NATO and Russia.

However, I see no inherent conflict between "strong" or "aggressive" military action to PROTECT substantive and just state interests. Nation States who create negative externalities for innocents (such as massive refugee flows) are subject to extra judicial action. Moreover, a people that provides for the common defense should expect that defense includes the removal of current and future threats to health and well being of those peoples.
 
I can't help but think that the people who are condemning Trump for bombing chemical factories, military airbases, etc., in Syria would be condemning him if he DIDN'T do anything.
Make up your partisan minds---you can't have it both ways.
I hate war, I didn't want the Iraq war, think we should also withdraw from Syria, and mind our own business as much as possible, but there's a line in the sand that should never be crossed, and folks when it comes to savages using chemical weapons on their own people there is no other alternative....

U.S. interventionist strategy has been outdated since the early part of the 20th century. We keep on trying to bomb western democracy into the hearts and minds of brown and yellow skinned people, but I'll be damned if it just doesn't ever seem to work.

It isn't our job to be the World Police. It has never ****ing worked out for us. Ever.
 
The message it send is Assad will lose even more with each strike.

We don't even know if Assad actually ordered the chemical attack. For all we know, this was ISIS' work.
 
Inflicting casualties wasn't the objective.

Fabulous. Do you suppose that certain hardware may have been evacuated as well?
 
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That’s a titanic insult to Patton, by the way.
 
So then, if I think strikes against a "sovereign" nation is a good thing then not only am I "militarist", then so is Obama, Clinton, the leaders of the UK, France, and all of NATO and Russia.

Of course.

However, I see no inherent conflict between "strong" or "aggressive" military action to PROTECT substantive and just state interests.

You may have no problem with it. That is fine. You cannot go and claim that it doesn't conflict with libertarian philosophy. That would be ridiculous.
 
Inflicting casualties wasn't the objective.

Then it was another bull**** waste of U.S. tax dollars that will have almost no noticeable affect.

Russia and Iran will simply continue supporting Assad, and will help them quickly rebuild where necessary to make sure the regime retains power and continues suppressing the rebellion.
 
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