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Thomas Jefferson Statue Branded With ‘Racist + Rapist’ On His Birthday

That's because he was a ***** and a terrible American.

I know! He didn't even have the balls to stay alive long enough for America to, you know, exist.
 
Thomas Jefferson? Really? SMH :(

Did Thomas Jefferson own slaves? Did he keep one of them in a special room in his home where he made her have sex with him, and conceive 6 of his children? Which of these things aren't true?

He certainly did enough positive things to be deserving of honor, and in his time and age it was a bit more understandable why some people of reasonable intelligence could be forgiven for believing some incredibly stupid things, but he did say and do things that make the words racist and rapist an accurate description of him, and it's understandable why many would not want history to forget that reality.
 
We do not need to forget about it but I think we should put it into perspective. While we recognize slavery as a great wrong today, it was legal and acceptable back then. Jefferson broke no laws, and, according to his associates, his slaves were treated more like house members.

People have to be judged by the era in which they live. Two hundred years ago, virtually ever man in America would laugh at the idea of women voting. They simply didn't understand that women are often better decision-makers than men. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them products of their time.

Leonardo Da Vinci said : 'The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men.' That's very likely true, but it would be wrong for people 200 years from now to look back on the meat-eaters of today and judge them by that not-yet-evolved habit, because, in today's world, it's not considered wrong. Well, not by all, but you won't catch me eating the flesh of other creatures.

Same with our Founders. We have to judge them by the era in which they lived.

in that case let us judge the opinion of Gouverneur Morris, who openly opposed slavery, he was one of the few delegates at the Constitutional Convention who openly spoke against slavery and saying that the values of the constitution was incomparable with the promotion of slavery.
 
Slavery and rape are wrong in any context or timeframe, hope this helps bro

Well, there are plenty of accounts that MLK had a thing for loose women in hotel rooms. Should people go around vandalizing sculptures with a scarlet letter?
 
We do not need to forget about it but I think we should put it into perspective. While we recognize slavery as a great wrong today, it was legal and acceptable back then. Jefferson broke no laws, and, according to his associates, his slaves were treated more like house members.

People have to be judged by the era in which they live. Two hundred years ago, virtually ever man in America would laugh at the idea of women voting. They simply didn't understand that women are often better decision-makers than men. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them products of their time.

Leonardo Da Vinci said : 'The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men.' That's very likely true, but it would be wrong for people 200 years from now to look back on the meat-eaters of today and judge them by that not-yet-evolved habit, because, in today's world, it's not considered wrong. Well, not by all, but you won't catch me eating the flesh of other creatures.

Same with our Founders. We have to judge them by the era in which they lived.

I understand that slavery was an acceptable practice back then. That should be blatantly obvious to everyone, and I don't see anyone denying that fact. And I will say that Thomas Jefferson did try to stop the expansion of the slave trade.
 
We do not need to forget about it but I think we should put it into perspective. While we recognize slavery as a great wrong today, it was legal and acceptable back then. Jefferson broke no laws, and, according to his associates, his slaves were treated more like house members.

People have to be judged by the era in which they live. Two hundred years ago, virtually ever man in America would laugh at the idea of women voting. They simply didn't understand that women are often better decision-makers than men. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them products of their time.

Leonardo Da Vinci said : 'The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men.' That's very likely true, but it would be wrong for people 200 years from now to look back on the meat-eaters of today and judge them by that not-yet-evolved habit, because, in today's world, it's not considered wrong. Well, not by all, but you won't catch me eating the flesh of other creatures.

Same with our Founders. We have to judge them by the era in which they lived.

Oh that makes it better he treated his "Slaves" nice....
 
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I understand that slavery was an acceptable practice back then. That should be blatantly obvious to everyone, and I don't see anyone denying that fact. And I will say that Thomas Jefferson did try to stop the expansion of the slave trade.

In the early part of the 19th Century...Florida was owned by Spain...they allowed any negro that could get there to become a free man (as long as he pledged loyalty to Spain and converted to Catholicism)...Jefferson appealed (under the threat of a trade embargo) to Spain to shut that down...He had no interest in stopping slavery
 
Oh that makes it better he treated his "Slaves" nice....

Slavery was legal and ethical at that time. Now we know better. And, yes, people who treated their slaves kindly were better than those who treated their slaves badly.

That should be obvious.
 
Slavery was legal and ethical at that time. Now we know better. And, yes, people who treated their slaves kindly were better than those who treated their slaves badly.

That should be obvious.

there were people who objected to slavary during the founding fathers time
 
Well, there are plenty of accounts that MLK had a thing for loose women in hotel rooms. Should people go around vandalizing sculptures with a scarlet letter?

That's neither rape nor slavery.
 
In the early part of the 19th Century...Florida was owned by Spain...they allowed any negro that could get there to become a free man (as long as he pledged loyalty to Spain and converted to Catholicism)...Jefferson appealed (under the threat of a trade embargo) to Spain to shut that down...He had no interest in stopping slavery

What I'm referring to, is the fact that Jefferson did work to end the slave trade in Virginia, and he was against the British sponsoring the slave trade in the American colonies. And apparently he did support some form of gradual emancipation.
 
Slavery and rape are wrong in any era and I'm absolutely comfortable judging such things as evil in any timeframe.

I'm aware slavery was legal. Don't care.

Yeah, I'm probably going to be judged by future generations for whatever backwards-ass things I believe right now. I'm ok with it.

"Wrong" is a matter of perspective.

At one time, owning slaves was not not wrong. In the Old Testament, there were times when rape was not wrong. You only understand it to be wrong now, which makes it wrong now. Yet, in some Islamic countries today, there are times when rape and murder are not considered wrong. We're slowly evolving and that's changing, but wrong is still just a perspective.
 
In the early part of the 19th Century...Florida was owned by Spain...they allowed any negro that could get there to become a free man (as long as he pledged loyalty to Spain and converted to Catholicism)...Jefferson appealed (under the threat of a trade embargo) to Spain to shut that down...He had no interest in stopping slavery

Incorrect. Jefferson did speak out against slavery and took steps to reduce the slave trade.

Ditched history class a lot, huh?
 
I'm tired of so much disrespect to our founding fathers. They aren't perfect by any means, but they had a lot of good ideas and hopes for the country.

What was disrespectful? Vandalism is a crime. If the perpetrators can be identified, they will be charged. I doubt Jefferson cares from his tomb about being disrespected. And the only two words used were both accurate. So aside from the inanimate statue itself, what was disrespected here?
 
in that case let us judge the opinion of Gouverneur Morris, who openly opposed slavery, he was one of the few delegates at the Constitutional Convention who openly spoke against slavery and saying that the values of the constitution was incomparable with the promotion of slavery.

Yes, let's remember how we changed and evolved and those who helped enact that change. Jefferson was one of them.

In 1769. I became a member of the legislature by the choice of the county in which I live, & continued in that until it was closed by the revolution. I made one effort in that body for the permission of the emancipation of slaves, which was rejected: and indeed, during the regal government, nothing liberal could expect success. our minds were circumscribed within narrow limits by an habitual belief that it was our duty to be subordinate to the mother country in all matters of government, to direct all our labors in subservience to her interests, and even to observe a bigotted intolerance for all religions but hers
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/98-01-02-1756

I have found no mention of Negroes in the colony until about 1650. the first brought here as slaves were by a Dutch ship; after which the English commenced the trade and continued it until the revolutionary war. that suspended, ipso facto, their further importation for the present, and the business of the war pressing constantly on the legislature, this subject was not acted on finally until the year 78. when I brought in a bill to prevent their further importation. this passed without opposition, and stopped the increase of the evil by importation, leaving to future efforts it’s final eradication
ibid

That16 their respective governments shall be in republican forms, and shall admit no person to be a citizen who holds any hereditary title. 5. That after the year 1800 of the Christian æra, there shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in any of the said states, otherwise than in punishment of crimes, whereof the party shall have been duly convicted to have been personally guilty.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-06-02-0420-0004

Noº person hereafter coming into this country shall be held in slavery under any pretext whatever.12
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-01-02-0161-0003
 
They shouldn't have vandalized the statue, That's a criminal act and in poor taste.

That said, Jefferson did own slaves and he did rape at least one of his slaves several times. It was a different time back then, different socially acceptable practices you see. Barbaric of course, but that's how it was. She was his "property" and he could do with her as he saw fit.

Just like Lost Cause Confederates try to divorce the South's dependency on slavery from the discussion of the Civil War, some American's try to divorce ugly little truths from our founding father's history, as well as make up complete lies in some cases. To those types, discussing the facts of life during that time, in a manner that may paint our founding fathers as anything other than the holiest of men, next to white Jesus of course, is tantamount to treason, blasphemy, and un-American.

Are we sure that it was rape?? Could it have been a case of a slave girl seducing her master to get a better job?? My point is that there is an assumption of rape just because she was a slave and thus property. Do we have proof that she was an unwilling partner or that she was a willing partner? If TJ did in fact force her to have sex, then it was rape, if not, then it's not rape, but until that fact becomes known, anny accusation of rape are based on assumptions, not facts.
 
Slavery and rape are wrong in any era and I'm absolutely comfortable judging such things as evil in any timeframe.

I'm aware slavery was legal. Don't care.

Yeah, I'm probably going to be judged by future generations for whatever backwards-ass things I believe right now. I'm ok with it.
The year is 2236.

Children everywhere are taught that Deuce, the DP poster, no relation, was against slavery and rape.

Crowds of women march demanding that all knowledge of Deuce be removed from public record. Children throughout America file requests to return to the age of Jefferson and be raped just like his slaves.

Mark my words, Deuce, your anti-slavery and anti-race stance will not withstand the test of time.

Sent from a memo written by Nunes and edited by Trump.
 
"Wrong" is a matter of perspective.

At one time, owning slaves was not not wrong. In the Old Testament, there were times when rape was not wrong. You only understand it to be wrong now, which makes it wrong now. Yet, in some Islamic countries today, there are times when rape and murder are not considered wrong. We're slowly evolving and that's changing, but wrong is still just a perspective.
Ah so rape being wrong just depends on who is doing the raping and whether their society allows it.

****ing sick way of thinking, but got it.

Sent from a memo written by Nunes and edited by Trump.
 
Slavery and rape are wrong in any context or timeframe, hope this helps bro

No, slavery was not considered wrong, and it was legal. Of course it's denounced today, as it should be, but it was the norm of the time.
And rape, yes, yet still we almost elected a woman married to a rapist.

BRO:lol:
 
Ah so rape being wrong just depends on who is doing the raping and whether their society allows it.

****ing sick way of thinking, but got it.

Sent from a memo written by Nunes and edited by Trump.

Yes, evidently. Are we now knocking down statues of Bill Clinton and removing his image from the public?
 
Yes, evidently. Are we now knocking down statues of Bill Clinton and removing his image from the public?
Lmao, funny thing about your comment is that Bill Clinton - by our standards, has never been taken to trial over any of the misgivings you attribute to him. That's kind of your entire point though, that we shouldn't judge people by own standards, but Bill Clinton has been judged by our standards. No trials, no admissions of guilt, have ever come out of it.

Do you think the claims about Jefferson owning slaves and having illegitimate children through those slaves are... unproven?

Sent from a memo written by Nunes and edited by Trump.
 
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