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F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen[W:1638]

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And, you think that is my fault? Flynn has been a crook since President Obama got rid of him! Zero evidence? And what do you have besides a wash-up pornstar?

Could you provide a coherent comment to the curious? I read commonly understood words which however have been put together in a fashion which creates as Whaaa?? moment.
 
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And, you think that is my fault? Flynn has been a crook since President Obama got rid of him! Zero evidence? And what do you have besides a wash-up pornstar? So what? Non of our business unless taxpayers were going to pay for it. I could turn it around and, ask why did the secretary of state which was Hillary R. Clinton made a weapon exchange for donations from Qatar! i think that more interesting then Trump playing house with Daniels!
 
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You write: "It is an attempt to oust Trump, that's really all it is, the claims of collusion are baseless, there's no evidence of this," I would like to know, and I'm sure others would like to know also, HOW do you know that "the claims of collusion are baseless"? What is the source of your information? Is it available to the public?
I know this because no evidence has been offered to show there was any collusion. Whatever evidence Mueller may have obtained through his investigation is secret.
Really? You don't think that "evidence of possible money laundering, undisclosed foreign lobbying, tax evasion, undeclared finances, improperly submitted forms and questionable dealings" are sufficient cause for further investigation by the Special Counsel? These actions are felonies and if the president participated in these crimes, he should be impeached. Do you believe that simply because Donald J Trump is the president that he is not subject to the laws of the United States and cannot be charged for criminal behaviour?
The evidence of those misdeed, in every case and in all matters involve transactions before Trump announced his candidacy and people other than him.
You have said in prior comments that you are a patriotic American but apparently, you don't believe that those agencies charged with keeping this nation and its citizens' safe in a tumultuous world, told us the truth when they said they have evidence of Russian meddling in the 2016 elections. Why?
I have never said I was a "patriotic American", I come from Spain, the term "American" is repulsive to me, people from the US are what we (in Spain) call "estadounidenses" (united statians). But no, I don't believe there is evidence of any significant Russian meddling in the 2016 elections. There were some efforts, perhaps even $100,000 was spent by Russians on social media advertising, Russian 'bots' fostered protests against (and in support) of Trump, Muslims, immigration or gun control. None of this had significant impact on the election.
Despite the vast majority of Congress voting for sanctions against Russia last year, Trump did not order those sanctions to take effect until March of this year. Don't you wonder why this great patriotic leader of True Americans failed to act just a few months earlier?
In Spain we say "las cosas de palacio van despacio" (palace matters proceed slowly). I think the imposition of sanctions, like many foreign policy matters, require careful consideration, anticipated reprisals need to be taken into account, the appropriateness of the measure, its financial impact, consequences, the precedent it establishes. These issues all require deliberation, the input of experts, lobbyists and assorted diplomatic fellows.
You may not have noticed but Trump is the one who has been saying the US should pull out of Syria.
I have, and understand his reasoning, there isn't much the US can accomplish in Syria, maybe carve out a Kurdish nation, which would irritate NATO ally Turkey.
In typical Trumpian fashion, during the 2016 campaign, Trump said on more than one occasion that America should accept Russia's annexation of the Crimean peninsula but as soon as he became president he had a different take on the matter. Unlike his usual behaviour, there were actually several months between the initial statements and the contradictory ones. Usually, he contradicts himself within a few days or weeks, sometimes just hours.
There are intelligent and profound reasons in support of both positions; Crimea, like all of Ukraine is very Russian (in fact it is known as "little Russia" and presumed to be the historical root of Russia), nonetheless, the Soviet Union unequivocably and quite explicitly ceded Crimea and all of Ukraine complete independence.
When you write that the feds should be focused "on decades of shady dealings by shadier characters", I would assume that you are not thinking of Trump, his sons and the Trump Organization, as being included in that phrase, even though some of us think they are a perfect description of the characters to be found in the Trump Tower during the past 20 years.
You are mistaken, I think Mueller should focus on collusion, that his focus should only span any evidence of dealings with explicit agents of the actual Russian government between the time Trump announced his candidacy and his election.
In New York City, this past week, a judge ruled that an apartment building could remove Trump's name from the building facade as the connection with Trump was harmful to residents attempting to sell their apartments. This was the fourth NYC building to remove the Trump name in the past year, all owing to the negative effect on building values.
There's a judge in NYC who thinks Trump's name has a detrimental effect on property valuation.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen[W:1638]

Now consider this:
The question of whether a prosecutor should be permitted to interview a president hinges on whether the president is a suspect. There is no public evidence that President Trump is. This raises the patent objection that he should not be asked to be interviewed under those circumstances. What we hear in response is, “How do you know he’s not a suspect?” But the reason we don’t know (other than the lack of evidence after two years) is that Mueller won’t deign to tell us, and Rosenstein won’t deign to comply, publicly, with regulations that required him to outline the basis for a criminal investigation.

That is not acceptable. In every other independent-prosecutor investigation in modern history — Watergate, Iran-Contra, Whitewater/Lewinsky — the president and the public have known exactly what was alleged. The prosecutor was able to investigate with all the secrecy the law allows, but under circumstances in which we all understood what was being investigated and why the president was suspected of wrongdoing.

After two years, we are entitled to nothing less. The president should direct Rosenstein to outline, publicly and in detail, the good-faith basis for a criminal investigation arising out of Russia’s interference in the election — if there is one. If he can’t, Mueller’s criminal investigation should be terminated; if he can, Mueller should be compelled to explain (unless Rosenstein’s disclosure makes it clear) why he needs to interview President Trump in order to complete his work.

If Rosenstein and Mueller are reluctant to do that, it can only be because they’ve decided that not only their investigation but also their desire for secrecy take precedence over every other consideration, including the president’s capacity to govern domestically and conduct foreign policy in a dangerous world. But secrecy is not the nation’s top priority. It’s long past time to lay the cards on the table. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018...or-criminal-investigation-should-be-revealed/
 
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The core of the matter - There is no public evidence that President Trump is a suspect. One word in this statement should cause some people, those who are rational anyway, to think about what they believe.
The word is "public". Special Counsel Mueller and his team, unlike other groups in Washington, are not leaking what they are finding as they investigate the possibility of collusion between the trumpites and Russia.

Plus Ultra wrote in response to an earlier comment of mine: "I know this because no evidence has been offered to show there was any collusion. Whatever evidence Mueller may have obtained through his investigation is secret." My comment - "HOW do you know that "the claims of collusion are baseless"? "

Does anyone else see the contradictions in his words? I hope so.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

Would strongly suggest that - in states like my Michigan which have a state law restricting Electors - a elector has a choice to make. Do they slavishly follow state law and are mere robots casting an automatic vote without a single thought to the process and no consideration given to their vote... OR ... do they fulfill their responsibilities as the Constitution lays out WITHOUT THOSE STATE RESTRICTIONS and as explained to the nation by Hamilton?

That is a choice of conscience and in the case of Trump it was a perfect time to test those restrictive state laws.

You have a very good point.

However, anyone who wants to be on a party's slate of Electors had better keep their mouth shut BEFORE the election if their attitude is "Regardless of the voting results I am going to vote for the person who is ACTUALLY the best qualified and most suitable person - judged by completely objective standards and totally disregarding all other factors - for the office of President of the United States of America REGARDLESS of which political party's banner they ran under - or even if the ran at all.".

Failing keeping that position completely concealed they are NOT going to get on any political party's slate of Electors.
 
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You have a very good point.

However, anyone who wants to be on a party's slate of Electors had better keep their mouth shut BEFORE the election if their attitude is "Regardless of the voting results I am going to vote for the person who is ACTUALLY the best qualified and most suitable person - judged by completely objective standards and totally disregarding all other factors - for the office of President of the United States of America REGARDLESS of which political party's banner they ran under - or even if the ran at all.".

Failing keeping that position completely concealed they are NOT going to get on any political party's slate of Electors.

yes - that is true.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

yes - that is true.

And it also means that NEITHER "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" nor "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" has any interest in seeing the appointment of Electors who will act in the manner that Mr. Hamilton presumed that they would be acting in order to fulfill the "promise" of the Electoral College".

Since that is the way that BOTH "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" nor "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" want the Electoral College to function and since (in combination) approximately 80+% of the American people support either "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" nor "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" then that is the way that the American people CURRENTLY WANT the Electoral College to function.

So if the Electoral College is working the way that the American people want it to work then it is working the way that it should be working as far as the American people are concerned.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

When you have only two realistic options as in 2016, it's pretty hard to see how "the right one" could have been elected since NEITHER Ms. Clinton nor Mr. Trump were suitable for the office (admittedly Ms. Clinton was better qualified).



Americans made their choice out of the options that a fairly small group of people chose for them to make their choice from. The socioeconomic similarities between the "movers and shakers" of the Democrats and the Republicans are stunning. When you get right down to what portions of what they say they stand for in their campaign platforms the Democrats and the Republicans actually attempt to enact, there is a similar level of similarity.



There are still those who will dispute that statement (with respect to 2008 and 2012).

It really is two "teams" of wealth, not democrats and republicans.

And the only real difference is as to the care and feeding of the livestock.

But they both consider us livestock.
 
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And it also means that NEITHER "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" nor "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" has any interest in seeing the appointment of Electors who will act in the manner that Mr. Hamilton presumed that they would be acting in order to fulfill the "promise" of the Electoral College".

Since that is the way that BOTH "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" nor "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" want the Electoral College to function and since (in combination) approximately 80+% of the American people support either "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" nor "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" then that is the way that the American people CURRENTLY WANT the Electoral College to function.





So if the Electoral College is working the way that the American people want it to work then it is working the way that it should be working as far as the American people are concerned.

In the states which do NOT compel by law a forced vote for the winner of the popular vote in that state - and Trump won 15 of them totaling over 150 votes - there is no legal obstacle to the electors acting just as Hamilton said was their obligation to protect the nation from a foreign power placing one of its own creatures in the office of the President.

And there is not one shred of evidence that any of those electors even attempted to discuss their duties when those state electors met.

The EC failed to function as Hamilton assured the nation it would function and the American people who bought and accepted the Hamilton promise of protection traded the power of their vote for nothing in the process. It was a true LOSE/LOSE proposition.
 
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It really is two "teams" of wealth, not democrats and republicans.

And the only real difference is as to the care and feeding of the livestock.

But they both consider us livestock.

I prefer to think of it as being a contest between "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party" and "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Corporate Capitalist Party".

Besides "Government" NEEDS "taxpayers" just as much as "Corporations" NEED "consumers".
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

In the states which do NOT compel by law a forced vote for the winner of the popular vote in that state - and Trump won 15 of them totaling over 150 votes - there is no legal obstacle to the electors acting just as Hamilton said was their obligation to protect the nation from a foreign power placing one of its own creatures in the office of the President.

And there is not one shred of evidence that any of those electors even attempted to discuss their duties when those state electors met.

Why would there be any need for a meeting. Electors have already committed themselves to vote in a particular manner BEFORE they get put on their party's slate.

Anyone who gives any indication that they aren't going to "vote the straight party line" is NOT going to be put on a party's slate.

Since the Electors who are appointed come from lists submitted by the political parties, the odds on an individual running for a position as an Elector appear to closely approximate 0.00000%.

The EC failed to function as Hamilton assured the nation it would function and the American people who bought and accepted the Hamilton promise of protection traded the power of their vote for nothing in the process. It was a true LOSE/LOSE proposition.

What Mr. Hamilton wanted THEN is not what the American people want NOW.

PS - There is absolutely nothing to prevent the citizens of a state from electing legislators which will pass laws taking the power to select Electors out of the hands of the political parties and establishing solid objectively verifiable criteria for appointment as an Elector and then sending those Electors off completely unfettered by anything other than unbiased, dispassionate, consideration of the actual qualities of the several candidates (and other people who weren't necessarily candidates). Well, nothing except that BOTH the Republicans and the Democrats will vociferously oppose such a move.
 
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Why would there be any need for a meeting.

Why are you asking questions about material which I already supplied which more than covers your objections?

You claimed that state electors had to vote for the winner of the state popular vote because of changes in state laws. I provided the information that said this was true in some states and not true in others. In fact, 15 states that went for Trump DO NOT have such a law and the electors are free to do just what Hamilton promised the nation they would do.

There is absolutely nothing to prevent the citizens of a state from electing legislators which will pass laws taking the power to select Electors out of the hands of the political parties and establishing solid objectively verifiable criteria for appointment as an Elector and then sending those Electors off completely unfettered by anything other than unbiased, dispassionate, consideration of the actual qualities of the several candidates (and other people who weren't necessarily candidates). Well, nothing except that BOTH the Republicans and the Democrats will vociferously oppose such a move.

No such law is today necessary to allow the electors in those 15 states that Trump won from acting on the responsibilities that Hamilton promised the nation the electors would carry out. That is an argument that is simply ridiculous as the electors in those states are not bound by a law which forces them to vote for anyone.
 
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Why are you asking questions about material which I already supplied which more than covers your objections?

You claimed that state electors had to vote for the winner of the state popular vote because of changes in state laws. I provided the information that said this was true in some states and not true in others. In fact, 15 states that went for Trump DO NOT have such a law and the electors are free to do just what Hamilton promised the nation they would do.

You appear to have overlooked the state laws which place the selection of the people who are on a political party's slate of electors solely in the hands of the several political parties (and the fact that no political party is going to put someone on their slate of Electors who tells anyone (or even shows the slightest signe that) they MIGHT not vote for their party's anointed candidate.


No such law is today necessary to allow the electors in those 15 states that Trump won from acting on the responsibilities that Hamilton promised the nation the electors would carry out. That is an argument that is simply ridiculous as the electors in those states are not bound by a law which forces them to vote for anyone.

Indeed there is no such law.

Of course, if you pick 100 people to travel to Mars and establish a colony AND you pick only males, then you really don't need any "laws" to prevent them getting pregnant - do you?

And, if you pick only people who are going to vote for your candidate to be Electors then you don't need any "laws" to prevent them from voting for anyone else - do you?

That is the way that the American people want the Electoral College to function NOW and what Mr. Hamilton wanted THEN is irrelevant. (After all, Mr. Hamilton didn't want women or "coloureds" voting either, did he.)
 
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You appear to have overlooked the state laws which place the selection of the people who are on a political party's slate of electors solely in the hands of the several political parties (and the fact that no political party is going to put someone on their slate of Electors who tells anyone (or even shows the slightest signe that) they MIGHT not vote for their party's anointed candidate.

So you keep saying but you have shown me no law or legal impediment which would prevent the electors in those 15 states that Trump won from doing just what Hamilton promised the nation they would do.

The rest of your argument is simply based on your own perceptions and beliefs and is not a legal argument founded in law - be it federal or state - in any way shape or form.

that includes you claiming this

Of course, if you pick 100 people to travel to Mars and establish a colony AND you pick only males, then you really don't need any "laws" to prevent them getting pregnant - do you?

Not legally relevant to what electors can do today and failed to do in 2016.


And, if you pick only people who are going to vote for your candidate to be Electors then you don't need any "laws" to prevent them from voting for anyone else - do you?

But yet a majority of states do as I have provided. And the ones where such a law is NOT present, they can still do as Hamilton promised the nation they would do to protect them and failed to do in 2016.

That is the way that the American people want the Electoral College to function NOW and what Mr. Hamilton wanted THEN is irrelevant. (After all, Mr. Hamilton didn't want women or "coloureds" voting either, did he.)

The American people of today have NEVER voiced their approval of the system through any referendum or vote on the EC. It has not happened so it is grossly dishonest for you to make this claim of public support. So you should cease and desist from such blatant intellectual fraud at once.
 
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What does any of this have to do with the thread: "F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen?"
 
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What does any of this have to do with the thread: "F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen?"

I believe that the technical term is "thread drift".
 
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