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F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen[W:1638]

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Mueller is a bad ass...A man of detail and discipline .....He knows the consequences of false charges...He has got the goods on this creep Cohen....Soon trump will know that also
 
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Saladin4 said:
Dream on Mr Conservative...Pretty funny all the trump lovers screaming and slobbering over themselves over "Hillary"...But trump and his goons are going down.........Hard
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upsideguy said:
She lost. Get over it. She is not the POTUS and thus her corruption, if any, is no longer an existential threat to our democracy.
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Simon as far as I know is no Trump fan, I think you’re misinterpreting what he’s saying.

I read it as a concrete mixer full of sarcasm.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Sad.


He really should talk to the PotUS about getting the DoJ onto all of those Killary crimes.
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Jetboogieman said:
Simon as far as I know is no Trump fan, I think you’re misinterpreting what he’s saying.

I read it as a concrete mixer full of sarcasm.
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Forgive me, my sarcasm sensors are down for a firmware update. Thanks for keeping me on course.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Simon as far as I know is no Trump fan, I think you’re misinterpreting what he’s saying.

I read it as a concrete mixer full of sarcasm.
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He got me.....At "Kilary".
 
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Saladin4 said:
Dream on Mr Conservative...Pretty funny all the trump lovers screaming and slobbering over themselves over "Hillary"...But trump and his goons are going down.........Hard
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upsideguy said:
She lost. Get over it. She is not the POTUS and thus her corruption, if any, is no longer an existential threat to our democracy.
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Trump should use his influence with the President of the US, the guy who is in charge of the Justice Department, about all the many crimes of Hillary he complains about.
 
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Exactice said:
Yeah yeah.... put a condom on........

Again in that deep down dirty place no one talks about.... you can imagine yourself doing it..... Your MORALS JUST DONT let you act upon it, I get it.....
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Speak for yourself.
 
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Fledermaus said:
You really didn't know the Ukraine wasn't Russia... Did you?
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Depends on which year we are talking about and who we ask. Ask a Russian, and there is no doubt, Ukraine is part of Russia, as it was officially from 1917 to 1991, and more or less unofficially from the mid 1600s until almost the 19th century.

As for this particular oligarch, Viktor Pinchuk--the briber. He's the son-in-law of a former communist party member and Soviet puppet president, Leonid Kuchma, who shut down free and independent press in the Ukraine. However, Pinchuk is a supporter of Ukraine joining the EU. So, exactly where Viktor's loyalties lie is hard to measure--but, we can be sure they are not with the USA.

Bottom line, this was a good warrant, and your president Trump is up to his eyeballs in deep Russian ****.
 
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longview said:
I would think any evidence gathered would be fruit of the poisonous tree, and not be admissible in court.
Even if the evidence leads the investigation in new directions, any subsequent findings would be tainted.
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How is anything obtained by a search warrant approved by a judge in NYS "poisonous fruit"? We still have the rule of law here. Due process has been observed.
 
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lurchadams said:
I can't wait to watch Hannity tonight regarding the "deep state" and the "corrupt FBI" up to dethrone his hero. In all seriousness, Cohn had this coming. He's either the worst liar and/or the worst lawyer ever.

Cohn is hanging his hat on Trump pardoning him for any current or future crimes. It just might happen!
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Trump cannot pardon crimes brought by a State prosecutor. Presidents can only pardon Federal crimes. This will bring pressure on Cohen to flip and that is what has Trump upset. His business and the whole administration is rampant with corruption. If trump was at all smart he would have known this day would come.

In fact, given that the bulk of criminal laws rests with states, not the federal government, a true states’ rights advocate might argue that the State of New York ought to protect its interests by prosecuting every possible charge it can — which may arguably exceed the number and type of crimes that might be available to Mueller.

The downside for Trump is that his presidential pardon power does not extend to state crimes — for the same reasons that underlie the dual sovereignty principle. Mueller, of course, knows this, and may be setting up the infrastructure to allow Schneiderman to pursue any prosecutions in the event he can’t – or to conduct them simultaneously.

Either way, Trump may soon learn that the “states’ rights” ostensibly represented by the monuments and flags he reveres includes the power to bring his campaign team — and even him — to justice.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/348989-trump-may-dodge-federal-crimes-with-pardons-but-he-cant
 
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iguanaman said:
Trump cannot pardon crimes brought by a State prosecutor. Presidents can only pardon Federal crimes. This will bring pressure on Cohen to flip and that is what has Trump upset. His business and the whole administration is rampant with corruption. If trump was at all smart he would have known this day would come.



Trump can dodge federal crimes with pardons ? but not state law | TheHill
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Which is why Mueller referred it to the state AG. Since no pardon is on the table, Cohen has to save himself. Well played Mr. Mueller, well played.
 
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holbritter said:
Which is why Mueller referred it to the state AG. Since no pardon is on the table, Cohen has to save himself. Well played Mr. Mueller, well played.
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No, he referred it to the SDNY attorney’s office, which is Federal.
 
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Helix said:
because Trumpists want Mueller corralled before he finds something too serious for "so what" deflections.

what do i win?
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You said in another thread you were waiting for the report, was that a lie?

You win the combined smarm, avoidance, BS and hypocisy award.
 
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poweRob said:
OMG he's still calling bleachbit software "acid wash". He is such a bloviating highly stupid individual.
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One angry man
 
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Vern said:
LV, about that "fruit of the poisonous tree" narrative, I think you might have missed the fact that they were investigating Russia and trump's campaign before the carter page warrants. Did they not report that on fox?
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I don't watch Fox, and do not care what they are investigating, the bar to violate attorney client privilege, needs to be very high.
 
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Roadvirus said:
Except Mueller hired a bunch of Leftists.
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Would you rather be Bill Clinton being investigated by Ken Starr or Trump being investigated by Mueller? Answer honestly.
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
I doubt it since it was authorized by a warrant. Fruit of the poisonous tree in this situation usually happens when law enforcement searches and finds something without a warrant.
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Perhaps, but the warrant the violates attorney client privilege, will need to be air tight,
and I think they may only use what is specifically called out in the warrant, I.E. they cannot go on a fishing
expedition through his attorney's files based on a warrant.
 
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yankintx said:
This was only a matter of time. I don't believe for one minute that Cohen took out a line of equity on his own home to pay off another of Trumps lay. So were did that 130K come from, rumor is campaign funds.
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Clinton gave Paula Jones $850,000....Trump is a better negotiator. :]

Stay out of his private life before politics.
 
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MTAtech said:
Then you would be thinking wrong. If Cohen is part of a conspiracy there is no attorney/client privileged.
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The pattern of this investigation is not exactly clean, mostly what they are finding is people making misstatements to the
FBI investigators, like Scotter Libby. They are not simply looking for evidence of Russian collusion, but anything that will stick.
 
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OscarLevant said:
Attorney client privilege cannot be invoked if attorney and client conspire to commit a crime.
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Attorney client privilege exists, and does not need to be invoked, they would need evidence of a crime or conspiracy to violate
the privilege.
 
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if those here believe Mueller is on a witch hunt just ask John Gotti .............. oh, he's dead ...........
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
What gives you any reason to think that 'any evidence gathered' would be fruit of the poisonout tree?

Please be very specific.
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Well how specific is the warrant? If the warrant limits the scope of evidence to the Russian election investigation,
Then Trump's many property deals not related to the Russian investigation, would be off limits,
even if they revealed criminal activity.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Some of the dossier was confirmed. That, along with Papadopolous' drunken rant in London, gave the FBI all it needed to start an investigation.

And NONE of the guilty pleas that Mueller's already gotten were based on evidence NOT found in the dossier. All the dossier (actually, the parts of the dossier that were confirmed) did was to serve as a significant PART (not the whole, but a significant PART) of the evidence needed to justify the investigation. Very little - and perhaps none - of the dossier will be used in a court of law. The FBI - as has already been demonstrated by the guilty pleas and indictments - has found a wealth of evidence that has nothing to do with the dossier.

But it get it - you don't care what they've done. If they work for Trump, you, tovarisch, believe they should be immune to investigation.
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Not enough to make it credible. In fact, it was so weak overall, that Steele had to leak it to the press to give it credibility and then that press report had to be retracted because of the inaccuracies.
 
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