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F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen[W:1638]

Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

well cnn seems to think that was what the FBI raid was all about:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/10/politics/michael-cohen-search-warrant/index.html

they better have something better than that if they are going to try to bring him down and drag us through this unending investigation, or plenty of people are going to be POed at them.

OK, just from this story, which is based on leaks from who knows...

The FBI raid on President Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen sought information that included payments allegedly made to keep women silent about affairs with Trump more than a decade ago.
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A source familiar with the matter told CNN Tuesday that a focus of the raid was to seek records on the deal set up between ex-Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal
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The search warrant behind Monday's raids of Cohen also included a request for documents related to Cohen's ownership of taxi medallions
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Another source said Monday that the search included bank records.
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There were also what one source said were other issues that could be unrelated to Daniels, including smaller investments.
In addition, the warrant said it related in part to election laws.

That's a lot of "included" and "a focus" etc. Just at the end, what "smaller investments" and what "election laws." The entire investigation is premised on 'collusion' with Russians related to the election. Are those the 'election laws' referred to? I don't know....
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

Be quite, I am busy discussing my statement with civil, adult posters.

I accept your admission that what happened isn't 'Gestapo stuff' and you cannot demonstrate that it is.

Why even bother?
 
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I just posted a news source which states that the SDNY is investigating Cohen for bank & wire fraud & campaign finance law violations. Stormy is only a peripheral issue because she recieved the money that Cohen defrauded his bank to get.

ok , when that gets repeated by a credible news source, let me know.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

So what crime justifies the FBI raiding a lawyers office?

Evidence of having committed bank & wire fraud & campaign finance law violations. Documents relating to the commission of crimes are not covered by any client/attorney privilege.
 
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Greetings, Saladin4. :2wave:

What "truth" are they looking for? Truth is still truth, so whether any attorney can honestly say they've learned the truth is not always true, or we wouldn't be reading about people who were wrongly put in prison and are not released until years later! Does it seem fair to you that a person's life can be ruined by money-motivated uncaring attorneys? :doh: I hope that never happens to either one of us!

Always remember, in the courtroom it's all too often not about right and wrong, but about winning and losing. That's why the investigation is so important - the investigator has to get it right.

That's why I don't blame the state assistant AG for winning the case that wrecked our business - I blame the investigator (and her supervisor) for doing the sloppiest investigation I've ever seen (and having been an investigator and investigator supervisor, I do have somewhat of a clue)...and there was nothing, absolutely nothing we could do about it. If we'd had enough money to afford a lawyer (instead of me having to represent us because we were broke), we would have easily won the case - I proved that the state investigator's claims were rife with errors, that a state's witness lied, and that the state had refused to interview a witness who could testify as to what the state's prime witness had actually done (she had tied up one of our residents naked and took pictures and claimed we told her to do it, and did so with the intent to ruin our business, and even admitted under oath that we were not on the premises and that nobody else saw her when she did so). The judge ruled against us, saying that regardless of what we (the owners) had done or not done, it had happened at our business and we were responsible...which means that in this judge's world, if an employee at McDonald's decides to put a condom in an burger with the intent to ruin that business, it is still that business' responsibility.

The only - only - reason we couldn't continue with an appeal is because I had become clinically obsessed with this case - I couldn't not think about the case unless I was physically doing something else that required mental focus. Imagine obsessing over something almost every waking moment for over a year - it was mentally too much for me to continue.

A lot of people on here would look at that and wonder why it is I still believe in our law enforcement agencies when we got screwed over so badly by one. I still believe in our law enforcement agencies because as incompetent and unprofessional as the investigator in our case certainly was, she really, truly believed she was doing the right thing. Whatever the faults of her (and her supervisor whom I blame just as much for not even reviewing her subordinate's work), they believed in what they were doing. When it comes to the FBI, they are the best of the best - someone like her couldn't have lasted a month in their ranks - and having dealt with NCIS (well, at the time they were the NIS - Navy Investigative Service), it's really easy to see why among criminals, the pucker factor goes way the hell up when the FBI is even mentioned.

Cohen is screwed...and so is Trump. They're done - it's only a matter of time. The only other option he has is to take us down the path of constitutional crisis...and I really wouldn't put that past him.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

So what crime justifies the FBI raiding a lawyers office?

If the lawyer commits a crime and the investigators can make a case for a warrant to raid the office to prevent evidence from being destroyed.
 
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That taxi bit was something new (that I have heard about) and interesting.
Wow, can't survive first contact...who knows how far this will go. I suppose people that followed these guys in the past aren't all that surprised.

Such a coincidence that again we have Russia, Ukraine and criminal activity from Trump's cronies... what are the chances!
 
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Can you explain to us how Stormy relates to Putin???

If Rosenstein allowed this he has to go.
These darn republicans are a threat to our freedoms
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

So what crime justifies the FBI raiding a lawyers office?

apparently having an affair?... I thought we covered all this crap with Bill Clinton, no one gives a damn about affairs nowadays.

paying her some money for keeping quiet about it? shady, but not seeing how that is illegal.

AND none of that comes CLOSE to warranting an FBI raid. they better get something better than that.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

ok , when that gets repeated by a credible news source, let me know.

Here you go:

Report: Michael Cohen under investigation for possible bank fraud, campaign finance violations

The FBI agents who raided the office and hotel room of President Trump's attorney were reportedly looking for information about taxi medallions he owned, CNN reports.

The Monday night raid sent federal prosecutors rifling through Michael Cohen's documents, with what was apparently a sweeping search warrant approved by Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general. Rosenstein appointed Special Counsel Robert Mueller and is overseeing Mueller's investigation of the Trump campaign's possible involvement with Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

Report: Michael Cohen under investigation for possible bank fraud, campaign finance violations
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

Evidence of having committed bank & wire fraud & campaign finance law violations. Documents relating to the commission of crimes are not covered by any client/attorney privilege.

So where's the evidence, Sherlock?
 
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Oh, and I forgot Rick Gates and George Papadopoulos.

Still not family. I think the first family member will probably be Krushner.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

If the lawyer commits a crime and the investigators can make a case for a warrant to raid the office to prevent evidence from being destroyed.

They have to have decent suspicion to get a judge to agree to the "breakin"
We don't know what that is yet.
Patience boys and girls
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

Evidence of having committed bank & wire fraud & campaign finance law violations. Documents relating to the commission of crimes are not covered by any client/attorney privilege.

And we can count on a corruption free FBI on a witch hunt to not seize anything else?
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

So where's the evidence, Sherlock?

Do you think he works for the FBI or something? The FBI have shown evidence to a judge who agreed there was enough evidence to warrent a raid in Cohen's office.
 
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apparently having an affair?... I thought we covered all this crap with Bill Clinton, no one gives a damn about affairs nowadays.

paying her some money for keeping quiet about it? shady, but not seeing how that is illegal.

AND none of that comes CLOSE to warranting an FBI raid. they better get something better than that.

They are alledging campaign funds were used. If they find nothing, no one will be held accountable for authorizing a warrant on false pretenses.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

And we can count on a corruption free FBI on a witch hunt to not seize anything else?

I think you've been into that KoolAid again. Or you've been watching too much Hannity.
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

You've got to be kidding me.

Just something to think about- who hired the attorney?

Greetings, leekohler2. :2wave:

I don't understand your question --- which attorney? And I'm certainly not kidding about something like this - so until the day arrives that everyone has to agree to receiving truth serum before they appear in court, how can anyone know who's really telling the truth?

Someone once suggested that robots should be the ones to determine who's telling the truth, because they can supposedly identify who is not being truthful by monitoring human body temperature or something, but since most of the folks in DC have law degrees, and since they're the ones that have been writing all our laws over the years, that's not ever likely to happen! :no:
 
Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

Perhaps, but remember that Mueller turned it over to someone else, which suggests it is not directly related to his investigation.

Also, I think it is hilarious how people are complaining the seizure of these documents are violation of attorney/client privilege when the President himself has stated he had no knowledge of the creation of these documents.
Hey, j-mac, hope life is treating you well.

Trump said he didn't know anything about Stormy Daniels, so those communications aren't privileged. And, as far as other communications, it has been explained those will be examined by an independent team and any not related to the investigation will be returned.
Also, if this is about Stormy Daniels, as has been reported, Trump has said he knew nothing of Cohen's actions...and, as such, those wouldn't be privileged communications. :shrug:

Of course, the President could be lying and actually did know about the Stormy Daniels payoff...but then that causes a whole host of other issues as well.

The lesson Trump should learn is this: Stop talking.

IN addition, if the documents are about the committing of a crime, it's not really covered by the attorney/client privilege. Cohen forgot one thing. If someone is going to jail, he has to make sure it's the client, not him.
 
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Russia did not pan out, so Mueller just goes on to the next narrative.

Russia is panning out. He's got indictments & cooperating witnesses & just jailed that Dutch lawyer.
 
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/abc-cohen-payment-daniels-home-equity-line

Cohen $130,000 Payment To Stormy Daniels Came From His Home Equity Line

President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer transferred funds from his home equity line to an account for his private company within the same bank — First Republic Bank — to pay porn actress Stormy Daniels $130,000 on the heels of the 2016 election.

The money was then transferred from Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s LLC account to Daniels’ lawyer, Cohen told ABC News. The origin of the funds is just the latest revelation in the saga involving Cohen and the payment he made to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford. The payment was reportedly part of a non-disclosure agreement to keep Clifford quiet about an alleged affair she had with Trump in 2006.
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Here's the bank that Cohen presumably defrauded by making false statements on his loan application.

Do you have a credihle source?
 
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