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Reno student suspended after call to Nevada congressman [W:69]

dcsports said:
Just so we're clear this is an issue with semantics. When a student calls and says "I'm Billy from Lazy School, I'm calling you as part of a school event and you are a $#%!! turd" - Billy is representing Lazy school. That doesn't mean that he's an ambassador from the school, or that the principal told him to call on behalf of the school. It means that he's a part of the school, participating in an event for the school, and therefore his behavior reflects on the school.

Now you can 'cling' to another definition, and argue semantics, if you like. Have fun.
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I love it when posters whine about semantics because semantics deals with the actual meaning of words. It shows that, not only do they not know what the word means, they do not care what they words they spew mean. They only care how it makes them feel to spew them.

You cling to the delusion that this one child represents the whole school because you like smearing a school where so many of the students are dealing a heavy blow to your partisan delusions about guns. It is not enough to discuss what actually happened. Every situation must be exploited to slander as many of your opponents as possible, and it does not matter if you have to lie in order to do so.
 
VanceMack said:
My facts being the actual facts and not presumptions.
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What are the facts pertaining to whether the school thought the curser represented the school?
 
cabse5 said:
What are the facts pertaining to whether the school thought the curser represented the school?
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The facts are contained in their reasoning for punishment...related to his behavior and nothing in regard to representing the school.
 
VanceMack said:
The facts are contained in their reasoning for punishment...related to his behavior and nothing in regard to representing the school.
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Read the last two paragraphs of the linked article in the OP.

If you have more information on the subject, I'd like to hear.

It seems murky, at best, if the school thought the student represented the school during the walkout demonstration that included his profane phone call. The linked article in the OP reported a representative of the school district mentioning the school based the student's punishment on his violation of some 'code of conduct' rule(s). I highly doubt the school has code of conduct rules for every situation and environment for all its students inside and outside of school functions. Otherwise there'd be school monitors to enforce bawdy students at, for example, the mall (or ten feet outside the school building proper).

The OP linked article wasn't able to articulate which conduct(s) in the code were violated causing the suspension due to some privacy law issue.
 
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cabse5 said:
Read the last two paragraphs of the linked article in the OP.

If you have more information on the subject, I'd like to hear.

It seems murky, at best, if the school thought the student represented the school during the walkout demonstration that included his profane phone call. The linked article in the OP reported a representative of the school district mentioning the school based the student's punishment on his violation of some 'code of conduct' rule(s). I highly doubt the school has code of conduct rules for every situation and environment for all its students inside and outside of school functions. Otherwise there'd be school monitors to enforce bawdy students at, for example, the mall (or ten feet outside the school building proper).

The OP linked article wasn't able to articulate which conduct(s) in the code were violated causing the suspension due to some privacy law issue.
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So we agree...the school had no business suspending him.
 
VanceMack said:
So we agree...the school had no business suspending him.
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No we don't agree. We also don't agree the school punished the curser because the school felt the phone call was done during a school function. I'm not leaning Libertarian.
 
sangha said:
I love it when posters whine about semantics because semantics deals with the actual meaning of words. It shows that, not only do they not know what the word means, they do not care what they words they spew mean. They only care how it makes them feel to spew them.
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Correct. It is painfully obvious that you did not understand the meaning of the 'words', which is why I attempted to explain it to you. It's also obvious that you don't care.

sangha said:
You cling to the delusion that this one child represents the whole school ...
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No, not a delusion. One child acting as part of a school function does represent the school. This is a great example of that -- one young man's actions reflected poorly on the entire school. Any 'positive' that would have come from the protest is lost, because the national story, and narrative about the school, is Mr. Potty Mouth.

sangha said:
... because you like smearing a school where so many of the students are dealing a heavy blow to your partisan delusions about guns. It is not enough to discuss what actually happened. Every situation must be exploited to slander as many of your opponents as possible, and it does not matter if you have to lie in order to do so.
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It's really kind of funny because you don't know my view on this. I was discussing what actually happened. You are making broad assumptions about me and committing slander (actually, libel) accusing me of being a liar and having "partisan delusions about guns". Perhaps you would like to focus on discussing what happened?
 
cabse5 said:
Read the last two paragraphs of the linked article in the OP.

If you have more information on the subject, I'd like to hear.

It seems murky, at best, if the school thought the student represented the school during the walkout demonstration that included his profane phone call. The linked article in the OP reported a representative of the school district mentioning the school based the student's punishment on his violation of some 'code of conduct' rule(s). I highly doubt the school has code of conduct rules for every situation and environment for all its students inside and outside of school functions. Otherwise there'd be school monitors to enforce bawdy students at, for example, the mall (or ten feet outside the school building proper).

The OP linked article wasn't able to articulate which conduct(s) in the code were violated causing the suspension due to some privacy law issue.
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Schools can't discuss specific student records or discipline. There's a really good reason for that, but it really handicaps our ability to gain a full understanding in cases like this. The student can say anything they want, and the school can't really respond.

I don't think it would be difficult to find portions of the school code of conduct that relate to use of profanity and/or showing disrespect at school events.
 
dcsports said:
Schools can't discuss specific student records or discipline. There's a really good reason for that, but it really handicaps our ability to gain a full understanding in cases like this. The student can say anything they want, and the school can't really respond.

I don't think it would be difficult to find portions of the school code of conduct that relate to use of profanity and/or showing disrespect at school events.
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Do those code of conduct rules apply to non-students? Can the school eject a parent, for example, for berating a referee at a high school basketball game?
 
cabse5 said:
Do those code of conduct rules apply to non-students? Can the school eject a parent, for example, for berating a referee at a high school basketball game?
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From the Robert McQueen High School code of conduct:

CODE OF CONDUCT AT ATHLETIC & EXTRACURRICULAR
EVENTS
Please be advised that the administration at McQueen will not tolerate inappropriate
behavior by individuals who represent McQueen High School including but not limited to
students, athletes, parents, or any other spectator. If behavior warrants such action,
athletes may be suspended from athletic competitions, and parents and spectators may be
banned from attending future athletic competitions. Help us promote a positive, yet
competitive work ethic and attitude in all areas of school athletics and activities. Coaches,
athletic administrators and school officials work diligently to establish a positive rapport
and successful working relationship with officials and other athletic/school
representatives, thus parental and fan support must enhance, not hinder these efforts.

https://www.washoeschools.net/site/...aid=10409&FileName=Student_Handbook_17-18.pdf
 
cabse5 said:
No we don't agree. We also don't agree the school punished the curser because the school felt the phone call was done during a school function. I'm not leaning Libertarian.
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Well....thats a shame.
 
From a little further down the document, in reference to student conduct:

Your behavior is under the jurisdiction of the school when you are in the school building,
on or near the school grounds, at school-sponsored activities (on or off campus), or when
using school district transportation. Certain actions may be subject to immediate
suspension. These include, but are not limited to:
• Fighting or provoking a fight*
• Throwing snowballs
• Using profanity
...
 
dcsports said:
From the Robert McQueen High School code of conduct:

CODE OF CONDUCT AT ATHLETIC & EXTRACURRICULAR
EVENTS
Please be advised that the administration at McQueen will not tolerate inappropriate
behavior by individuals who represent McQueen High School including but not limited to
students, athletes, parents, or any other spectator. If behavior warrants such action,
athletes may be suspended from athletic competitions, and parents and spectators may be
banned from attending future athletic competitions. Help us promote a positive, yet
competitive work ethic and attitude in all areas of school athletics and activities. Coaches,
athletic administrators and school officials work diligently to establish a positive rapport
and successful working relationship with officials and other athletic/school
representatives, thus parental and fan support must enhance, not hinder these efforts.

https://www.washoeschools.net/site/...aid=10409&FileName=Student_Handbook_17-18.pdf
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To answer my question if parents can be disciplined by McQueen, if the parent is being profane at a basketball game - no. If the parent is being, for example, inducted into the basketball hall of fame of McQueen High and the parent is profane, yes.

I don't believe a parent of a student attending a basketball game should be thrown out for profanity using the code of conduct above. If they are, they should litigate.
 
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cabse5 said:
To answer my question if parents can be disciplined by McQueen, if the parent is being profane at a basketball game - no. If the parent is being, for example, inducted into the basketball hall of fame of McQueen High and the parent is profane, yes.

I don't believe a parent of a student attending a basketball game should be thrown out for profanity using the code of conduct above. If they are, they should litigate.
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Actually, that's exactly what it says. If anyone at a basketball game acts inappropriately, they can be kicked out. Not sure why someone would litigate that, but they'd lose.
 
dcsports said:
Actually, that's exactly what it says. If anyone at a basketball game acts inappropriately, they can be kicked out. Not sure why someone would litigate that, but they'd lose.
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Note in the code of conduct for McQueen High School this bolded in red:
dcsports said:
From the Robert McQueen High School code of conduct:

CODE OF CONDUCT AT ATHLETIC & EXTRACURRICULAR
EVENTS
Please be advised that the administration at McQueen will not tolerate inappropriate
behavior by individuals who represent McQueen High School including but not limited to
students, athletes, parents, or any other spectator. If behavior warrants such action,
athletes may be suspended from athletic competitions, and parents and spectators may be
banned from attending future athletic competitions. Help us promote a positive, yet
competitive work ethic and attitude in all areas of school athletics and activities. Coaches,
athletic administrators and school officials work diligently to establish a positive rapport
and successful working relationship with officials and other athletic/school
representatives, thus parental and fan support must enhance, not hinder these efforts.

https://www.washoeschools.net/site/...aid=10409&FileName=Student_Handbook_17-18.pdf
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The code of conduct is unclear in some areas and a legal challenge may clear things up or eliminate the code altogether.

My hope is the code is, at least, rewritten to be more clear. Maybe the elimination of the code would prevent the school from allowing 'representatives of the school' from participating in activities like the walkout to protest guns?
 
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cabse5 said:
Note in the code of conduct for McQueen High School this bolded in red:
The code of conduct is unclear in some areas and a legal challenge may clear things up or eliminate the code altogether.

My hope is the code is, at least, rewritten to be more clear. Maybe the elimination of the code would prevent the school from allowing 'representatives of the school' from participating in activities like the walkout to protest guns?
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That's pretty clear. If say, you are a parent supporting your kid, you are representing the school at the game.

And again with the litigation? This is a code of conduct, not a city ordinance or binding contract. In reality, they can kick people off of school property at any time, for any reason. And, this really isn't related to this topic. If you have a specific case where parents were kicked out of a sporting event at that school, you should start a separate thread.
 
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