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BREAKING : U.S. expels dozens of "Russian" diplomats in response to attack on ex-spy in Britain

Re: BREAKING : U.S. expels dozens of "Russian" diplomats in response to attack on ex-spy in Britai

Kal'Stang said:
Oops...there's goes the narrative that Trump will not do anything negative to Russia. Whatever will the Trump haters do now?
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One small move after Trump has constantly kissed Putin's ass means nothing.
He had his nose planted up Putin's ass during that phone call last week.
Morons like Trump don't change their spots.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
No, it doesn't "destroy the narrative" at all. Expelling sixty Russian officers and closing the Seattle consulate only makes things a little more difficult administratively for Russians in the Pacific Northwest. You should have realized that the most important part of Trump's reaction wasn't what it did, but what it didn't do: it apparently didn't enact a single economic sanction even though economic sanctions were passed almost unanimously by Congress last year. That was why Putin hated Obama and especially Hillary - they had enacted sanctions for his annexation of the Crimea and his effective invasion of the Ukraine...and their sanctions had effectively pushed his nation into a recession (which began before the big drop in oil prices).

Regardless of what Putin says or doesn't say publicly, he doesn't really care about Trump's moves because they don't hurt Russia economically at all.
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Read post 25.
 
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SMTA said:
One small move after Trump has constantly kissed Putin's ass means nothing.
He had his nose planted up Putin's ass during that phone call last week.
Morons like Trump don't change their spots.
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Gotta love the spin. :roll:
 
Re: BREAKING : U.S. expels dozens of "Russian" diplomats in response to attack on ex-spy in Britai

Lerxst said:
No, it doesn't. This is the first step in a foreign policy position he should have taken months ago. He has a long way to go, but this is a good first step.

The rest of your off topic drivel isn't debate worthy.
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And your hatred of Trump is on full display, why does it matter when he did it? If he was in Putin's pocket he wouldn't be doing any of the things he has done which I posted and you call drivel. Seems that actual facts to you are drivel.
 
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Litwin said:
GREAT NEWS, what will be the next step ?
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Nothing.
 
Re: BREAKING : U.S. expels dozens of "Russian" diplomats in response to attack on ex-spy in Britai

Litwin said:
Trump is still a mystery to me, why he has never criticized Putler? pee- tape or he thinks that Putler media - trolls will do who him what they did to Obama?
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What purpose does it serve to criticize Putin as actions always speak louder than words.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
This isn't Trumpov. It's Bolton and Pompeo.
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I believe you are probably correct on this. However, it is change from his previous passive strategy of ignoring Russian trespasses and appeasing Putin.

haymarket said:
So VlaD gave his pet permission to look strong.
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I don't think that is the case. As RV stated, I think this is Trump finally taking some advice. Not that I care for Bolton or Pompeo, but this isn't characteristic of anything Trump comes up with on his own.

Right now there is a wave of strong diplomatic response to Putin's actions, and I think it is good and proper that the U.S. is taking a positions along side our allies and friends.

Regardless of who it was that drafted the U.S. response, I'm just glad to see Trump do something other than smile at Vladimir Putin.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
No, it doesn't "destroy the narrative" at all. Expelling sixty Russian officers and closing the Seattle consulate only makes things a little more difficult administratively for Russians in the Pacific Northwest. You should have realized that the most important part of Trump's reaction wasn't what it did, but what it didn't do: it apparently didn't enact a single economic sanction even though economic sanctions were passed almost unanimously by Congress last year. That was why Putin hated Obama and especially Hillary - they had enacted sanctions for his annexation of the Crimea and his effective invasion of the Ukraine...and their sanctions had effectively pushed his nation into a recession (which began before the big drop in oil prices).

Regardless of what Putin says or doesn't say publicly, he doesn't really care about Trump's moves because they don't hurt Russia economically at all.
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I doubt that anything Trump ever does is going to resonate positively with you as rhetoric always trumps actions. Why would he hurt the US economy with sanctions when it is just now coming out of the Obama malaise. This is a measured response and an accurate one showing again detractors have no interest in being fair or even acknowledging the negative response to Russia. What someone says always seems to bother the left more than what someone does which is why the left has zero credibility
 
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Conservative said:
What purpose does it serve to criticize Putin as actions always speak louder than words.
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Are you being serious?
 
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Lerxst said:
Are you being serious?
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Very serious as words never bother me, actions do, he has levied sanctions against Russia prior to this move. For some reason you always what rhetoric whereas I want results.
 
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Conservative said:
And your hatred of Trump is on full display, why does it matter when he did it? If he was in Putin's pocket he wouldn't be doing any of the things he has done which I posted and you call drivel. Seems that actual facts to you are drivel.
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Your on-your-knees worship of Trump is on full display.

The scope of this thread is about the U.S. response to Russian action in England, a specific case. He is still ignoring their espionage efforts in the 2016 election, their attacks on our critical infrastructure, and the free hand Putin has given one of his Oligarch allies to hire mercenaries who have attacked U.S. troops in Syria.

I know you think Trump is a diving being, but some of think rationally. Your bluster about this "destroying" a liberal narrative isn't just ignorant, it's dumb. And...it's drivel.
 
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Conservative said:
Very serious as words never bother me, actions do, he has levied sanctions against Russia prior to this move. For some reason you always what rhetoric whereas I want results.
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Trump's sanctions are meaningless. They have almost no impact on anything Putin is doing. You don't want results, you just want some kind of activity that you can pretend actually matters so you can continue to cheer lead for your boy.

You have one bad case of TDS. Thoughts and prayers to you.
 
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Litwin said:
and what do you think it will be?
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Nothing. I think this is about as far as Trump is willing to go.
 
Re: BREAKING : U.S. expels dozens of "Russian" diplomats in response to attack on ex-spy in Britai

poweRob said:
Bring Ukraine into the NATO like Ukraine has asked. That would definitely have putin spinning.
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is the US then willing to go to war in a russian encroachment against ukraine
i don't think so
correction: i hope not
 
Re: BREAKING : U.S. expels dozens of "Russian" diplomats in response to attack on ex-spy in Britai

Kal'Stang said:
From the article in the OP:
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From the news story linked to by the reference in the OP:

The new sanctions — against five entities and 19 individuals — come amid criticism that President Donald Trump had failed to firmly confront and aggressively counter alleged Russian attacks on allied soil and continued efforts to destabilize U.S. politics.

The sanctions, while new from the Treasury Department, overlap with previous steps taken by the U.S., including naming all 13 Russians previously indicted by Robert Mueller for 2016 election meddling. The president has previously sought to delegitimize Mueller's investigation as a "witch hunt" and called claims that his campaign colluded with Russia "phony."

The sanctions were against "five entities and 19 individuals" - NOT the Russian government or against any set of imports or exports that are important to the Russian economy. That would be like sanctions against five of our corporations...which would be no big deal since we have LOTS of other corporations that can quickly fill the gap...as does Russia.

The article continues:

As the U.S. recognized elaborate Russian efforts to spread misinformation and meddle in the 2016 U.S. election, officials also said Russia targeted U.S. energy, nuclear, water, aviation, commercial facilities, and key manufacturing sectors since May of 2016 — managing to gain access to the grids of some of these sectors.

A senior national security official told reporters Thursday that the government assisted victims and stopped further attempts at access.

The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI said the activity was part of a “a multi-stage intrusion campaign by Russian government cyber actors."

Has Trump addressed that at all? No. Not at all...even though it was a campaign by the Russian GOVERNMENT. When will y'all wake up and smell the borscht? Trump's sanctions are baby steps compared to what Obama did in coordination with NATO:

These sanctions were further strengthened in September 2014. EU sanctions, which had been due to lapse in July 2015, have been extended to January 2016. The US and Canadian sanctions are open-ended.

There are three types of economic sanctions. The first restricts access to Western financial markets and services for designated Russian state-owned enterprises in the banking, energy, and defence sectors. The second places an embargo on exports to Russia of designated high-technology oil exploration and production equipment. The third is an embargo on exports to Russia of designated military and dual-use goods.

The justification for these Western sanctions is internationally well-understood. But to muddy the waters, Russia imposed a ban on food imports from Western nations in August 2014. That ban remains in place.

After around a year of these sanctions and measures, what impacts can we see on both the Russian and European economies?

For the Russian economy, the sanctions are generally assessed to have helped exacerbate the macroeconomic challenges it was already facing, notably the rapid and pronounced fall in oil prices that started in the last months of 2014.

Recent data confirm Russia’s entry into recession, with GDP growth of -2.2% for the first quarter of 2015, as compared to the first quarter of 2014

Furthermore, the combined effect of these sanctions and of the fall in oil prices caused significant downward pressure on the value of the Rouble and increased capital flight.

At the same time, the sanctions on access to financing forced the Russian state to use part of its foreign exchange reserves to shore up the sanctioned entities.

These developments forced the hand of the Central Bank of Russia, which abruptly ceased to defend the value of the Rouble and hike interest rates in December 2014.

Russia’s ban on Western food imports had a compounding effect on this challenging picture, as it led to higher food prices and hence to further inflation. This was in addition to the effect of the fall in the value of the Rouble, which had already raised the price of imported goods and services in Roubles.

Recent data confirm Russia’s entry into recession, with GDP growth of -2.2% for the first quarter of 2015, as compared to the first quarter of 2014. Recent forecasts suggest a fall in real GDP in the order of 3%-3.5% for 2015, and growth of around zero for 2016.
 
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Blue_State said:
Ok. That is a nice start. Sanctions next. Let's get the cold war started that Putin wanted.
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We won the last cold war. We will win this one too.
 
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justabubba said:
is the US then willing to go to war in a russian encroachment against ukraine
i don't think so
correction: i hope not
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We have Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania in NATO and that is right on Russia's Western border.
 
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poweRob said:
We have Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania in NATO and that is right on Russia's Western border.
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and i ask again, would you want the US to go into a shooting war with russia over a russian encroachment of ukraine
for me, the answer is "no"
defending ukraine is not worth American lives and treasure
no doubt, some will disagree
 
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justabubba said:
and i ask again, would you want the US to go into a shooting war with russia over a russian encroachment of ukraine
for me, the answer is "no"
defending ukraine is not worth American lives and treasure
no doubt, some will disagree
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No. Not looking for war. But looking to put putin back on his heals so he is more defensive rather than outwardly aggressive.
 
Re: BREAKING : U.S. expels dozens of "Russian" diplomats in response to attack on ex-spy in Britai

Kal'Stang said:
Oops...there's goes the narrative that Trump will not do anything negative to Russia. Whatever will the Trump haters do now?
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cry he didn't do enough it didn't go far enough he should have done it sooner etc ...
the list goes on and on of what they can come up with.

you heard their silence on the more sanctions that we put on russia and dealing with certain russian government agencies.
 
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Conservative said:
I doubt that anything Trump ever does is going to resonate positively with you as rhetoric always trumps actions. Why would he hurt the US economy with sanctions when it is just now coming out of the Obama malaise. This is a measured response and an accurate one showing again detractors have no interest in being fair or even acknowledging the negative response to Russia. What someone says always seems to bother the left more than what someone does which is why the left has zero credibility
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Da, tovarisch Conservative...truly you are wery wery effective in spreading Pravda truth to those Americans who spread Fake News that we ever do anything bad. We only want the best for America, just as we did in the days of Brezhnev and Andropov who was Soviet Premier before that traitor Gorbachev. (Andropov, as you know, was Great Leader Putin's boss in the KGB)!

In gratitude for your efforts, our Great Leader has bared his chest once more and officially names you polezniye duraki an Official Hero of Russia! Давайте выпьем за успех нашего дела!
 
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danarhea said:
We won the last cold war. We will win this one too.
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And it'd be much easier this time. All you have to do is put sanctions on their billionaires and do an Apollo-like mission to get off gas as much as possible. Then help Europe and China adopt that tech which would make Russia's main and practically only export worthless.
 
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poweRob said:
No. Not looking for war. But looking to put putin back on his heals so he is more defensive rather than outwardly aggressive.
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if ukraine becomes a NATO member then war it is if russia imposes its will on the ukraine ... at least if the US is willing to adhere to its NATO agreements
 
Re: BREAKING : U.S. expels dozens of "Russian" diplomats in response to attack on ex-spy in Britai

Kal'Stang said:
Oops...there's goes the narrative that Trump will not do anything negative to Russia. Whatever will the Trump haters do now?
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Stormy Daniels. Canonization is near.
 
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