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March For Our Lives: Mass rallies on US gun control under way

NeverTrumpGOP said:
Well we see TD is not affected/trigged at all. :roll:
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You've got a hard on for the NRA because they helped Trump win. You've been howling about that going on 15 months
 
TurtleDude said:
yet in the last 20 years there have been 20 million or more semi auto magazine fed rifles sold to the public in the USA and many more handguns that use 15-18 shot magazines-also semi auto. On top of that, millions more people are carrying firearms legally- yet there is no evidence of increased deaths due to legally owned or legally carried semi autos
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Do you have a source for that?
 
PoS said:
Saying its "a lot" is meaningless unless you have hard numbers to back it up. The US has a population of over 330 million and 55 million students in grades K-12. 8 school shootings and 15 deaths out of that means it is not an epidemic. More students die from suicide than school shootings- why arent people concerned about that?
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Well, they are, if they commit suicide with a gun. Otherwise, neh.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's because you are consistently opposed to the candidates the NRA supports. your position is bereft of subtlety
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No. I just want my Constitutional rights respected as the NRA wants its memberships' Constitutional rights respected. I don't believe in upholding the 2nd amendment by trampling on the 14th like the NRA does.
 
PoS said:
Compared to rates in the previous decades the present time is safer for everyone as a whole. Just pure bouhaha and fauxrage.
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You're free to say that, but your correlation of the nation being safer with firearm-related murders being an aberration was clearly incorrect at best or highly misleading at worst, since the two are demonstrably not parallel to each other.
 
Cardinal said:
You're free to say that, but your correlation of the nation being safer with firearm-related murders being an aberration was clearly incorrect at best or highly misleading at worst, since the two are demonstrably not parallel to each other.
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Nope, I stand by what I said- the nation IS SAFER than in previous decades. You yourself even admitted as much. The FBI stats you quoted even says it- peaked at 2009 and then went down.
 
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Cardinal said:
Their reasoning seems to be developed enough that your primary way of responding to them is by attacking them personally. If ad homs are all you have, then I'd say they're doing remarkably well.
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Explaining that they're being manipulated isn't an attack on them. You can't blame a child for being a child.

The vast majority got a free trip to DC for this event, and it's an experience they'll always remember, but the event is really all for show, because it was orchestrated and paid for by others -- others with agendas.

Kids are kids -- more power to 'em -- but I think anyone who's had kids knows that 95% of them were just along for the ride.
 
PoS said:
Nope, I stand by what I said- the nation IS SAFER than in previous decades. You yourself even admitted as much.
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Your post painted a picture of a nation continuing to be safer from gun violence. It's now clear that you were aware that the firearm-related homicides aren't dropping and you were being deliberately misleading. If firearm-related murders are staying consistent yet crime is dropping that would show that the former is an aberration in the opposite way you imagined (or intended) it to be.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
They are not disrupting anyone's efforts except the efforts to sell more guns. I remember recently there was a protest on gun violence and the congressmen were banning porn or something stupid instead.

Lawmakers debate porn but not ban on assault weapons | Miami Herald
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As an activist in the 70's I fought hard for reducing the age of adulthood to 18 with ALL commensurate rights appertaining thereunto, on the basis that if I was old enough to be armed so that I can fight and die for the country, then I deserve ALL the rights and privileges any other adult has...including the right to vote, and to keep and bear arms.

The push now is to prevent EVERYONE under 21, including otherwise legal adults, the right to keep and bear arms simply because every now and then some "youngster" may act out using one.

No one seems in any great hurry to credit kids even younger than 18 with not having the capability of exercising their freedom of expression are they? At least not when they are pushing the agenda your side on the issue appears to like anyway.

Nor will such efforts stop the sale or possession of guns from anyone with the motivation and drive to act out in such ways again...They will simply take the opportunity whereever they can find them.

No, the only sure and certain way is to eliminate guns from a society altogether, which despite all protestations otherwise is always the basic argument of gun control proponents.

Exchange a little essential liberty for a transient feeling of security.

So every time some group raises efforts to take away MY rights via blatant appeals to emotion and hasty generalizations...I will oppose it.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Explaining that they're being manipulated isn't an attack on them.
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That's an ad hom because you're not able to respond to their arguments so you're making specious claims of them being manipulated instead. It's also projection.

HowardBThiname said:
You can't blame a child for being a child.
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But I can blame an adult who's unable to form a coherent argument against a child's argument.

HowardBThiname said:
The vast majority got a free trip to DC for this event, and it's an experience they'll always remember, but the event is really all for show, because it was orchestrated and paid for by others -- others with agendas.

Kids are kids -- more power to 'em -- but I think anyone who's had kids knows that 95% of them were just along for the ride.
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And yet you, the adult, are at a loss for how to respond to their arguments. I've listened to them on tv and on podcasts and they're remarkably sharper than your response.
 
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It is great to see our future march towards freedom and justice. Gun control is the answer. The real extremism and childish behavior is coming from the NRA and gun zealots.

The majority of Americans: We want to ban high capacity assault rifles

The NRA: You want to ban all guns! (walks away).

The majority of Americans: We want to expand background checks

The NRA: You want to ban all guns!
 
PoS said:
Saying its "a lot" is meaningless unless you have hard numbers to back it up. The US has a population of over 330 million and 55 million students in grades K-12. 8 school shootings and 15 deaths out of that means it is not an epidemic. More students die from suicide than school shootings- why arent people concerned about that?
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Why do you say they're not?
But we're talking about the students themselves, right? Their protest rallies. I'm saying they feel like being part of a targeted group, which kind of doesn't apply to suicides or traffic accidents or exploding cell-phone batteries or any of the other convenient but irrelevant deflections. We're talking about people shoving in a clip, filling their pockets with spares, and going out to kill students. Substitute almost any other group name for 'students' and suddenly the whole thing looks different. Catholics, say, 12 times this year someone has gone to Catholic churches and shot 71 people, killing 44. I'm not saying anything about gun control, but you know, and everyone else does too, that Catholics taking to the street to protest 12 incidents of gunfire this year, targeting them in their churches, would get a different kind of listen than these students are getting.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I wish the NRA would start being a bit more forceful in calling morons morons.
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We definitely know how the NRA and people like you feel about victims of gun violence.

If they want a fight, sadly they will lose and die. The tide is rising on the NRA. They will drown a violent death.
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh I agree with you-the leaders of the gun ban movement are scheming power hungry machiavellians engaged in all sorts of premeditated machinations
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Your attack against victims of gun violence is just appalling.

Please, just stop.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Explaining that they're being manipulated isn't an attack on them. You can't blame a child for being a child.

The vast majority got a free trip to DC for this event, and it's an experience they'll always remember, but the event is really all for show, because it was orchestrated and paid for by others -- others with agendas.

Kids are kids -- more power to 'em -- but I think anyone who's had kids knows that 95% of them were just along for the ride.
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Uh, let's see.... Kids that are survivors of a mass shooting at their school are being manipulated... And kids that don't want guns around their schools - are being manipulated...

That's your assertion?
 
Yes, these seem like reasonable people who just want to bring us all together and find a solution. Attacking Marco Rubio for his Catholic faith and drawing blood across on his forehead isn't out of line at all.

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I got to really shake my head...The NAACP's involvement in this is truly puzzling.

Do they not remember that it was keeping blacks disarmed which allowed them to be hung from trees like Christmas ornaments?
 
HowardBThiname said:
Explaining that they're being manipulated isn't an attack on them. You can't blame a child for being a child.

The vast majority got a free trip to DC for this event, and it's an experience they'll always remember, but the event is really all for show, because it was orchestrated and paid for by others -- others with agendas.

Kids are kids -- more power to 'em -- but I think anyone who's had kids knows that 95% of them were just along for the ride.
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There was much 'bus fare' all over the world!
 
poweRob said:
I knew one of the first con posts in this thread would go on about "appeal to emotion." There is nothing cons hate more than a display of anyone's feelings other than their own.
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Wrong. :doh

You can display all the feelings you want, as can I.

However, don't expect such a display to affect rational actions. Unfortunately, unless held to a rational standard people usually act out on the basis of their emotions...which is why such appeals often work.

IMO to the long-term detriment of society as a whole by over-reacting to an emotional outcry, and damn the long-term consequences.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Yes, these seem like reasonable people who just want to bring us all together and find a solution. Attacking Marco Rubio for his Catholic faith and drawing blood across on his forehead isn't out of line at all.

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I think the treatment of Rubio in this instance has been unfair. Yes, he's absolutely on the wrong side of this issue, no doubt. But he was the one gun rights supporter who had the guts to get on the stage in Florida and be honest about his position while being respectful toward the students. He did say that he would support increased gun control measures during that town hall which he subsequently went back on, but I guess being on the wrong side of an issue will result in the occasional inconsistency and dishonesty. Still though, his behavior was leagues above other Republican lawmakers and Dana ****ing Loesch.
 
ChezC3 said:
I got to really shake my head...The NAACP's involvement in this is truly puzzling.

Do they not remember that it was keeping blacks disarmed which allowed them to be hung from trees like Christmas ornaments?
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Again, people in the NRA think these kids want to ban all guns. That is simply false.

These kids and protesters actually understand the second amendment BETTER than the NRA and pro-gun zealot lawyers.

The second amendment says nothing about an individual's right to own a gun.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Yes, these seem like reasonable people who just want to bring us all together and find a solution. Attacking Marco Rubio for his Catholic faith and drawing blood across on his forehead isn't out of line at all.

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And how do you know that the person carrying that sign is not a right-wing plant?
 
Cardinal said:
I think the treatment of Rubio in this instance has been unfair. Yes, he's absolutely on the wrong side of this issue, no doubt. But he was the one gun rights supporter who had the guts to get on the stage in Florida and be honest about his position while being respectful toward the students. He did say that he would support increased gun control measures during that town hall which he subsequently went back on, but I guess being on the wrong side of an issue will result in the occasional inconsistency and dishonesty. Still though, his behavior was leagues above other Republican lawmakers and Dana ****ing Loesch.
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Marco Rubio deserves credit for doing his job?

I guess that is a step up when he wasn't doing his job when running for president.
 
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