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McMasters Out as National Security Adviser- Bolton in.....

If Bolton is a neocon, he'll go quickly in Trump's White House 'cause Trump hates neocons (conservatives who want to regime change, give countries democracy (whether they like it or not) and basically do things for other 'less fortunate' countries)). 'Ya know, that sounds just about like every Never-Trumper in the GOP. At least, the Bushes.

Neoconservatism of one flavor or another is the dominant force in the foreign policy of both parties. I know Trump talks isolationism, but in the same speech he promises to "bomb the **** out of" x, y, or z.

Trump was shown a pic of chemical attacks in Syria, and Trump ordered them bombed. Trump was shown a pic of some girl wearing a miniskirt in Afghanistan 1971 and he ordered more troops. He seems pretty easily manipulated.

As for Bolton, he seems to part company with the neocons when it comes to the idea that democracy is the end game. He just wants to bomb people. Not "creative destruction" - simple destruction and damn the blowback / consequences. Maybe that's just rhetoric. We will find out, if he lasts with Trump.
 
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Yes Bolton will surely counsel the president in the opposite direction of what Trump ran on.

Not that Trump listens to anyone else. But I think Trump wants a war.

It's the task of John Bolton and Mike Pompeo to move the negotiating goalposts and demand concessions of North Korea and Iran that they will of course never accept.

Neither H.H. McMaster nor Rex Tillerson would have gone along with this scheme. They had to go.
 
Ever notice that when the news media reports that a staffer is about to be let go Trumpo the Clown yells fake news and says what a good job he or she is doing.....and then wait for it.......a week or less later the person either quits or is fired. FAKE NEWS my arse the only fake news is coming from the Trumptanic. I really can't believe that Conservatives are that stupid to be steered away from the real media. Mr Trump you asre full of crap and your rhetoric on the fake news proves you are full of crap.
 
Neoconservatism of one flavor or another is the dominant force in the foreign policy of both parties. I know Trump talks isolationism, but in the same speech he promises to "bomb the **** out of" x, y, or z.

Trump was shown a pic of chemical attacks in Syria, and Trump ordered them bombed. Trump was shown a pic of some girl wearing a miniskirt in Afghanistan 1971 and he ordered more troops. He seems pretty easily manipulated.

As for Bolton, he seems to part company with the neocons when it comes to the idea that democracy is the end game. He just wants to bomb people. Not "creative destruction" - simple destruction and damn the blowback / consequences. Maybe that's just rhetoric. We will find out, if he lasts with Trump.

Conservatives (small C), for the most part, are the only ones who don't believe the US should be the world's cop. Trump thinks the US is the world's cop. Maybe cop should be replaced with social worker for progressives.

The difference between, for example, Trump's foreign policy and neocon or progressive foreign policy is:

Neocons and progressives have the belief that everyone, worldwide, should have the same advantages as the US (even if US citizens are penalized in the process). Of course, the version of what's good for someone changes from neocon - the cop to progressive - the social worker.

For example, Trump reacts to the chemical attack in Syria with a bombing. He doesn't want to change the government. Doesn't want to initiate interment camps for refugees. Doesn't want to immigrate more Syrian refugees to the US.

As for Bolton, maybe he's not so ideological? Maybe he acted in one way with the Bush administration to satisfy their neocon goals and will act another way with the Trump administration to satisfy their goals?

If Bolton is ideological and is a neocon, this was a bad hire by the Trump administration. I also realize this was an emergency hire. Something had to have happened to or by McMasters that was more important to the White House than another firing/quitting - chaos. My guess is he leaked the memo coming from the White House staff to Trump not to congratulate Putin on his election which happened most recently.
 
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You have anything other than progressive poppycock to support your point?

You get your feelings hurt or something? Do you need me to send you some thoughts and prayers? Because I will.
 
Conservatives (small C), for the most part, are the only ones who don't believe the US should be the world's cop. Trump thinks the US is the world's cop.

The difference between, for example, Trump's foreign policy and neocons or progressives foreign policy is:

Neocons and progressives have the belief that everyone, worldwide, should have the same advantages as the US (even if US citizens are penalized in the process). Of course, the version of what's good for someone changes from neocon to progressive.

For example, Trump reacts to the chemical attack in Syria with a bombing. He doesn't want to change the government. Doesn't want to initiate interment camps for refugees. Doesn't want to immigrate more Syrian refugees to the US.

As for Bolton, maybe he's not so ideological? Maybe he acted in one way with the Bush administration to satisfy their neocon goals and will act another way with the Trump administration to satisfy their goals?

If Bolton is ideological and is a neocon, this was a bad hire by the Trump administration. I also realize this was an emergency hire. Something had to have happened to or by McMasters that was more important to the White House than another firing/quitting - chaos. My guess is he leaked. Most specifically, my guess is he leaked the memo coming from the White House staff to Trump not to congratulate Putin on his election which happened most recently.

We differ a little in our definitions of conservatives, not so much neocons and progressives.

I think conservatives DO want to be world cop in that they want to protect access to transit routes and resources for their donor corporate masters. The conservatives that don't agree with that are paleocons or libertarians (imho). There are also subsets of progressives that don't want to be total world cop - they just get bent out of shape for genocides and the like. In reality, these are gross generalizations, but those are necessary at times.

Trump seems to be pulling people he sees on Fox - maybe because they talk him up so much? I really can't imagine what is going on in that guys head.:roll:
 
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The deck chairs once again shuffled on the Trumptanic. This is what you get when you vote for a egotistical, narcissistic, non-reading douche-bag

I remember, growing up, when grownups would tell me about the virtues of democracy and the wisdom of the masses. Now I know there is no such thing. Democracy is just mob rule. The election of Donald Trump proves it.

“ democracy is the theory that the common man knows what is good for him, and he deserves to get it good and hard. “
-HL Mencken
 
We differ a little in our definitions of conservatives, not so much neocons and progressives.

I think conservatives DO want to be world cop in that they want to protect access to transit routes and resources for their donor corporate master. The conservatives that don't agree with that are paleocons or libertarians (imho). There are also subsets of progressives that don't want to be total world cop - they just get bent out of shape for genocides and the like. In reality, these are gross generalizations, but those are necessary at times.

Trump seems to be pulling people he sees on Fox - maybe because they talk him up so much? I really can't imagine what is going on in that guys head.:roll:
I added some to my post #129 you quoted. Maybe there's an answer in the edits?
 
Yes Bolton will surely counsel the president in the opposite direction of what Trump ran on.

Not that Trump listens to anyone else.

But I think Trump wants a war.


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He may be seeing some kind of war/wars as his best chance of distracting from his many affairs, gross incompetence, collusion probe, corruption and nepotism, torrent of easily provable lies and fearmongering, etc., etc....
 
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Yes Bolton will surely counsel the president in the opposite direction of what Trump ran on.

Not that Trump listens to anyone else.

But I think Trump wants a war.


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Trump wants a war with someone the U.S. can easily overwhelm. He needs a war that he can have complete ownership over. Doesn't have to be big, it just needs to give him some kind of recognition of being a successful wartime president. This adventure of ours in Syria simply won't do because it has another President's fingerprints on it. He's been strutting around with his chest puffed out since he took office.

He has simply failed to find the people for his administration that have credibility and that will also go along with his wishes.
 
He may be seeing some kind of war/wars as his best chance of distracting from his many affairs, gross incompetence, collusion probe, corruption and nepotism, torrent of easily provable lies and fearmongering, etc., etc....

That's the most reasonable explanation for his strutting around like a banty rooster, getting in dick measuring contests with North Korea and talking about liberating Venezuela.
 
So now Bolton is back on the good side of Trumpsters/Republicans? Because last I heard 1 of the big reasons they voted for Trump is because they were tired of the Neocons taking over the GOP.

But if you look up NeoCon in the dictionary Bolton picture will be right there. There is no bigger Neocon.

So what's going on with the hypocrites in the GOP. Is Bolton's in? Bolton's out? Neocons are back in? Please explain.
 
So now Bolton is back on the good side of Trumpsters/Republicans? Because last I heard 1 of the big reasons they voted for Trump is because they were tired of the Neocons taking over the GOP.

But if you look up NeoCon in the dictionary Bolton picture will be right there. There is no bigger Neocon.

So what's going on with the hypocrites in the GOP. Is Bolton's in? Bolton's out? Neocons are back in? Please explain.

It's one of the many "insults" the citizens of Trump Fan Nation love to lob and me and the other people with a working brain who have been Republicans all our lives but refuse to support that fraud in the Oval Office. "You're a neocon Tres, and a big meany!" "Don't listen to Bill Kristol because he's a neocon!" "George Will is a neocon and isn't to be trusted!".

But when their shiny hero Trump loses a decent man like McMaster and replaces him with the biggest neo-con to ever set foot on American soil, neo-cons are all of a sudden neato!

Let's not forget how the fraud in the Oval Office attacked George W. Bush's brother in a debate and skewered him over the Iraq War and the lack of WMDs - the very same Iraq War that Bolton simply lurved.

Trump has rotted the brains of seemingly normal people, and this is now where we are.

The good news is all of the Trump devotees who are pissed at Great Britain for standing up to and dissing this ignorant clown of a President may get to see Bolton declare war with GB. Bolton never met a war he didn't like.

We're all screwed.
 
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