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Grassley promises hearings into McCabe’s firing once inspector general’s report is public

Unitedwestand13 said:
And Sessions should not have been the one who decided whether or not McCabe was fired.
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The Office of Professional Responsibility for the FBI and the Office of the Inspector General recommended he be fired. Sessions followed their suggestions. Sessions is the head of the DOJ, which is the agency head for the FBI. He absolutely has the authority.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The Office of Professional Responsibility for the FBI and the Office of the Inspector General recommended he be fired. Sessions followed their suggestions. Sessions is the head of the DOJ, which is the agency head for the FBI. He absolutely has the authority.
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Sessions was supposed to be recused from any matters relating to the Russia investigation.

McCabe is one of the primary witnesses in that investigation.

Sessions violated the terms of his recusal.
 
Fletch said:
Who should have decided? McCabes mum?
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Since the DOJ has been compromised the only way to assure the public that McCabe was given a fair hearing would be to run it by a bipartisan commission.

OpportunityCost said:
It impacts directly on what you brought up.
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Your post ignored the points I made. You used my post as a springboard to voice your own non-sequitur.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Sessions was supposed to be recused from any matters relating to the Russia investigation.

McCabe is one of the primary witnesses in that investigation.

Sessions violated the terms of his recusal.
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McCabe didn't get fired because of the Russia witch hunt.
 
Cardinal said:
Since the DOJ has been compromised the only way to assure the public that McCabe was given a fair hearing would be to run it by a bipartisan commission.
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You mean to say "the only way to assure Trump hating, irrational, conspiracy theorists on the left" that McCabe was given a fair hearing. Every one of sound mind and body already knows that the career employees of the FBI already gave McCabe a fair hearing.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Sessions was supposed to be recused from any matters relating to the Russia investigation.

McCabe is one of the primary witnesses in that investigation.

Sessions violated the terms of his recusal.
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By your logic, McCabe could engage in any sort of misconduct and get a free pass for it because Sessions is recused. I don't think recusal is meant to work in that way. Do you think Sessions lacked the authority to dismiss McCabe based on the OPR and OIG recommendations?
 
Cardinal said:
Since the DOJ has been compromised the only way to assure the public that McCabe was given a fair hearing would be to run it by a bipartisan commission.



Your post ignored the points I made. You used my post as a springboard to voice your own non-sequitur.
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If McCabe thinks he didn't get a fair shot, he can make his case in court. What that not happen.
 
OpportunityCost said:
By your logic, McCabe could engage in any sort of misconduct and get a free pass for it because Sessions is recused. I don't think recusal is meant to work in that way. Do you think Sessions lacked the authority to dismiss McCabe based on the OPR and OIG recommendations?
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No.

I am arguing that Sessions should not have been the one to Decided to fire McCabe.

Since Jeff Sessions is supposed to be recused from any matters relating to the Russia investigation, Deputy Attorney General rosenstein should have been the one deciding whether or not McCabe should be fired.
 
Fletch said:
You mean to say "the only way to assure Trump hating, irrational, conspiracy theorists on the left" that McCabe was given a fair hearing. Every one of sound mind and body already knows that the career employees of the FBI already gave McCabe a fair hearing.
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Nobody believes that the process for McCabe's removal was unsullied by Trump's involvement, including yourself. A bipartisan investigation would help to restore trust in that process.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
No.

I am arguing that Sessions should not have been the one to Decided to fire McCabe.

That decision should have been made by deputy attorney general rosenstein.
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So Rosenstein's boss doesn't get to make decisions to fire someone with ample evidence they should be? You are making the case he doesn't have the authority to do so, despite all evidence he does and had just cause to do so. He is the head of the DOJ and the FBI reports to him, not the other way around. The FBI is a branch of the department of Justice.
 
Cardinal said:
Nobody believes that the process for McCabe's removal was unsullied by Trump's involvement, including yourself. A bipartisan investigation would help to restore trust in that process.
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Speak for yourself. McCabe was 'sullied' by his own behavior. Only Trump haters think otherwise.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
No.

I am arguing that Sessions should not have been the one to Decided to fire McCabe.

Since Jeff Sessions is supposed to be recused from any matters relating to the Russia investigation, Deputy Attorney General rosenstein should have been the one deciding whether or not McCabe should be fired.
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This had nothing to do with the Russia investigation.
 
OpportunityCost said:
So Rosenstein's boss doesn't get to make decisions to fire someone with ample evidence they should be? You are making the case he doesn't have the authority to do so, despite all evidence he does and had just cause to do so. He is the head of the DOJ and the FBI reports to him, not the other way around. The FBI is a branch of the department of Justice.
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McCabe is one of the primary witnesses in the Russia investigation and Jeff Sessions is supposed to be recused from involving himself in matters relating to Said investigation.

Firing one of the primary witnesses in the Russia investigation violates the terms of Session’s recusal.
 
Chuck Grassley is little different than Devin Nunes.
 
Cardinal said:
That's a non sequitur to the points I brought up.
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Grassley has completely ruined his reputation of a lifetime's worth of great service to Iowa.
This non-lawyer as Chair of the Judiciary is liddle more than a nunes lapdog now.

Just saw Senators John Kennedy of LA and Amy Klobuchar of MN.
If these two weren't so damned important to the Senate, I'd love to see them run together in 2020.

Two more are obviously Senators Burr and Warner.
I really believe the cream is rising to the top right now in the Senate.
So good to hear from Sen. McCain today on the CinC's embracing of Putin. A grateful Nation will miss him.

Very comforting to hear Sen. Graham invoke the 'impeachment' word.
And I also recognize Speaker Ryan for his words today.
We will get past this with the 25th amendment and President Pence. We have to.
We owe it to our kids ...
 
NIMBY said:
Grassley has completely ruined his reputation of a lifetime's worth of great service to Iowa.
This non-lawyer as Chair of the Judiciary is liddle more than a nunes lapdog now.

Just saw Senators John Kennedy of LA and Amy Klobuchar of MN.
If these two weren't so damned important to the Senate, I'd love to see them run together in 2020.

Two more are obviously Senators Burr and Warner.
I really believe the cream is rising to the top right now in the Senate.
So good to hear from Sen. McCain today on the CinC's embracing of Putin. A grateful Nation will miss him.

Very comforting to hear Sen. Graham invoke the 'impeachment' word.
And I also recognize Speaker Ryan for his words today.
We will get past this with the 25th amendment and President Pence. We have to.
We owe it to our kids ...
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Grassley is pretty partisan, but he hasn't completely lost his mind in the way that Nunes has. Grassley is certainly dragging his feet, but he's not behaving as though the President was his client.
 
Cardinal said:
No, I'm speaking for you as well. You don't believe Trump didn't influence the hearing.
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No, I dont believe he influenced anything. You believe it because you want to not because you have any actual evidence to back you up.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
McCabe is one of the primary witnesses in the Russia investigation and Jeff Sessions is supposed to be recused from involving himself in matters relating to Said investigation.

Firing one of the primary witnesses in the Russia investigation violates the terms of Session’s recusal.
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He still can be a witness, he just can't leak about it anymore. McCabe's misconduct occurred during the investigation, does that mean he shouldn't be terminated for his actions? I argue that because his misconduct would occur outside the purview of the investigation, Sessions was within his recusal to still terminate McCabe. How can he look the other way with neutral parties like the OPR and the OIG both recommending dismissal?
 
Fletch said:
No hes not.
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Yes he is. He worked under Comey during the FBI counterintelligence investigation into the Trump Campaign, had knowledge of the circumstances of Comey's firing (obstruction of justice), and also had contemporaneous notes on his meetings with Trump. Although Trump did rail against McCabe's wife donating to Clinton's campaign, it's his being a witness in the Mueller investigation that is at the heart of Trump's hatred for him. The entire point of the hearing was an attempt to discredit McCabe as a witness. In the end this will work about as well as it worked for discrediting Comey.
 
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