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Donald Trump warned by Republicans over Mueller's Russia inquiry

JoeTrumps said:
I agree they should shut up.

Do you think President Cruz or President Rubio would have gotten those tax cuts through and pushed for the border wall? Hell no.
Would they have strong armed North Korea to the negotiating table? those ******s? nope.
Would they have the balls to walk away from the Paris Climate Agreement? please. Might make Nancy Pelosi mad.

Keep quiet and let Trump make the decisions. He's got the left in permanent hysteria. Nothing to lose by keeping them there. trust me.
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meaningful tax cuts for the wealthy; crumbs for Main Street America

We are negotiating with NoKo? Wow, I must have been abducted by little green aliens ...........

Climate change? Pelosi?

:lamo
 
JoeTrumps said:
I agree they should shut up.

Do you think President Cruz or President Rubio would have gotten those tax cuts through and pushed for the border wall? Hell no.
Would they have strong armed North Korea to the negotiating table? those ******s? nope.
Would they have the balls to walk away from the Paris Climate Agreement? please. Might make Nancy Pelosi mad.

Keep quiet and let Trump make the decisions. He's got the left in permanent hysteria. Nothing to lose by keeping them there. trust me.
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Yes, President Rubio would have gotten the tax cuts through. They were a Republican idea.

No idea about the border wall. It isn't something that interests me.

Strong armed North Korea into what? I haven't seen any evidence that they are changing how they operate.

Paris Accord? Like the border wall, not something that interests me. I didn't vote for Marco Rubio to do nothing but roll back what Obama did. I'm not obsessed with Obama.

No, I won't keep quiet. I know you think this is Russia and we aren't allowed to use our voices. We aren't there - yet. This is America, and we have voices. You should read our Constitution. It's a great document.
 
Fiddytree said:
Well, I think they did or approached doing ...two things.

1) Russian sanctions that passed nearly unanimously

2) Push back on the tariffs

The first was legislation passed, not really followed up on after the President let some provisions expire.

The second....maybe was complain, which then led to some modifications to the plan by the administration.

But yeah, they have been exceptionally and embarassingly weak on being an independent co-equal branch of government.
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Unfortunately after passing number one and publicly (some of them) expressing number 2, they followed up with absolutely nothing.
 
cuban smokes said:
just like a ****ing seven year old .............
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There are certainly days when it looks like that to me, but I must be mistaken because someone who has Doctorate (Suma cum lauda [HC]) degrees in "International Affairs", "Economics", "History", "Political Science", "Kung-fu", "Lego", and "Environmental Science" as well as having been elected to the highest political office in the world with the largest percentage of the popular vote in the history of mankind and who has selected nothing by internationally acclaimed experts in the relevant field to fill the administrative positions in his government couldn't possibly be that childish - right?
 
JoeTrumps said:
I agree they should shut up.
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Of course, criticism of Dear Leader Don Trump Un is blasphemy.

Do you think President Cruz or President Rubio would have gotten those tax cuts through and pushed for the border wall? Hell no
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Tax cuts - Yes. Republicans have been working on this for years, it's not some new idea Trump came up with all on his own.
Border wall - No. Because it's a stupid idea, and Cruz and Rubio are both several degrees more intelligent than Trump.

Would they have strong armed North Korea to the negotiating table? those ******s? nope.
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The results of Trump's behavior are still not fully realized. If you think he has fixed anything on the Korean peninsula you are being incredibly naive. Trump's rule is temporary (3 more years) compared to Kim ( who will rule as long as he is alive).

Would they have the balls to walk away from the Paris Climate Agreement? please. Might make Nancy Pelosi mad.
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That didn't take balls, it took a high degree of ignorance. But his base is ignorant, so his actions resonate with them.

Keep quiet and let Trump make the decisions.
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How about you keep quiet, so you don't sound so ridiculous.

He's got the left in permanent hysteria. Nothing to lose by keeping them there. trust me.
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You are delusional. Nobody is in hysterics. That is just your bull**** spilling out onto these boards because you lack the ability to make an intelligent argument in defense of your Orange Jesus. You seriously try way too hard.
 
Lerxst said:
Of course, criticism of Dear Leader Don Trump Un is blasphemy.

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Tax cuts - Yes. Republicans have been working on this for years, it's not some new idea Trump came up with all on his own.
Border wall - No. Because it's a stupid idea, and Cruz and Rubio are both several degrees more intelligent than Trump.


The results of Trump's behavior are still not fully realized. If you think he has fixed anything on the Korean peninsula you are being incredibly naive. Trump's rule is temporary (3 more years) compared to Kim ( who will rule as long as he is alive).


That didn't take balls, it took a high degree of ignorance. But his base is ignorant, so his actions resonate with them.


How about you keep quiet, so you don't sound so ridiculous.


You are delusional. Nobody is in hysterics. That is just your bull**** spilling out onto these boards because you lack the ability to make an intelligent argument in defense of your Orange Jesus. You seriously try way too hard.
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You don't sound hysterical at all.
 
tres borrachos said:
Strong armed North Korea into what? I haven't seen any evidence that they are changing how they operate.
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In his fantasy world, Trump beat up Kim and made him behave. In reality, his antics pushed the South closer to the North. Kim will be in power long after Donny T is a distant and ugly memory.

But wait, in a few moments JoeTrumps will say that that Trump is trying to unify the two Koreas, we just don't understand his methodology.
 
If Trump has done nothing wrong, why is he acting more & more hysterical & lawyering up with Fox News FBI conspiracy lawyer? Does he feel that the walls are closing in on him? If he is innocent he should welcome a thorough investigation to exonerate him.
 
The GOP here are simply using hollow words. Trump doesn't fear them. The only thing that will stop Trump, is a Dem. The GOP are feckless.
 
JacksinPA said:
If Trump has done nothing wrong, why is he acting more & more hysterical & lawyering up with Fox News FBI conspiracy lawyer? Does he feel that the walls are closing in on him? If he is innocent he should welcome a thorough investigation to exonerate him.
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Good questions.

It appears that Mr. Trump's "uneasiness" increases the closer any investigation comes to potentially illegal financial dealings with foreign governments - dealings which might adversely impact on the security of the United States of America and/or decrease the faith that the American people have in the integrity of their own government.

Now I'm not saying that it is true that Donald Trump has been involved in illegal financial dealings with foreign governments - dealings which might adversely impact on the security of the United States of America and/or decrease the faith that the American people have in the integrity of their own government, but I have heard that some people ARE saying that Donald Trump has been involved in illegal financial dealings with foreign governments - dealings which might adversely impact on the security of the United States of America and/or decrease the faith that the American people have in the integrity of their own government, and if some people ARE saying that Donald Trump has been involved in illegal financial dealings with foreign governments - dealings which might adversely impact on the security of the United States of America and/or decrease the faith that the American people have in the integrity of their own government, well, ... you know ...
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
If one wishes to communicate with someone who appears to be able to communicate at the Grade School level, then that is how one must communicate.



Indeed - fair question.

Now I'll quote the first two paragraphs from the story as it was originally published.

“DIDN’T the fox never catch the rabbit, Uncle Remus?” asked the little boy the next evening.

“He come mighty nigh it, honey, sho’s you born—Brer Fox did. One day atter Brer Rabbit fool ’im wid dat calamus root, Brer Fox went ter wuk en got ’im some tar, en mix it wid some turkentime, en fix up a contrapshun w’at he call a Tar-Baby, en he tuck dish yer Tar-Baby en he sot ’er in de big road, en den he lay off in de bushes fer to see what de news wuz gwine ter be. En he didn’t hatter wait long, nudder, kaze bimeby here come Brer Rabbit pacin’ down de road—lippity-clippity, clippity -lippity—dez ez sassy ez a jay-bird. Brer Fox, he lay low. Brer Rabbit come prancin’ ’long twel he spy de Tar-Baby, en den he fotch up on his behime legs like he wuz ’stonished. De Tar Baby, she sot dar, she did, en Brer Fox, he lay low.​


Fair answer?

Or did you think that the story (as originally written) went along the lines of

DIDN'T the fox ever catch the rabbit, Uncle Remus?" asked the little boy the next evening.

"He came mighty close to it, son, as sure as you are born - Brother Fox did. One day, after Brother Rabbit fooled him with that Calamus root, Brother Fox went to work and got himself some tar, and mixed it with some turpentine, and fixed up a contraption that he called a "Tar-Baby, and he then took that Tar-Baby and he set it in the big road, and then he lay off in the bushes in order to see what the news was going to be. And he didn't have to wait long, either, because, by and by, there came Brother Rabbit pacing down the road 'lippity-climmity, clippity-lippity" just as sassy as a Jay Bird. Brother Fox, he laid low. Brother Rabbit came prancing along until he spied the Tar-Baby, and then he fetched up on his hind legs like he was astonished. The Tar-Baby, it sat there, it did, and Brother Fox, he laid low.​
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“If one wishes to communicate with someone who appears to be able to communicate at the Grade School level, then that is how one must communicate.”

The term “must” is an absolute. Anybody put into a position where communication is expected at a higher than grade-school level needs to be taught so if not at the ready. It was said by major Trump supporters that he would “learn” the position as time went by. His communication level, as you much imply, is grade school. But, he hasn’t improved whatsoever, so you suggest child psychology. That is just bringing yourself down to grade-school level to stay, because trump isn’t going anywhere up. He is closed-minded and incurious for not wanting to learn. Or, maybe he can’t learn because of a learning disability.

“Indeed - fair question.”

To clarify, I don’t see passages in the story as originally written by Roosevelt, nor in the excerpts you gave in your reply to me, that what you wrote fits. Who or what is analogous to the fox, the rabbit, Tar Baby and the briar patch? I can only guess that Trump is the rabbit and the Mueller interview is the briar patch.
 
bluesmoke said:
To clarify, I don’t see passages in the story as originally written by Roosevelt,
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The Uncle Remus stories were written by Joel Chandler Harris.

bluesmoke said:
Who or what is analogous to the fox, the rabbit, Tar Baby and the briar patch?
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There is no "briar patch" in "The Wonderful Tar Baby" story.

bluesmoke said:
I can only guess that Trump is the rabbit and the Mueller interview is the briar patch.
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The "briar patch" allowed the rabbit to escape the fox because the rabbit was smarter and better prepared than the fox.

The "tar baby" resulted in the rabbit being eaten by the fox because the fox was smarter and better prepared than the rabbit.

Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
The Uncle Remus stories were written by Joel Chandler Harris.



There is no "briar patch" in "The Wonderful Tar Baby" story.



The "briar patch" allowed the rabbit to escape the fox because the rabbit was smarter and better prepared than the fox.

The "tar baby" resulted in the rabbit being eaten by the fox because the fox was smarter and better prepared than the rabbit.

Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
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The original story of Tar Baby, Br’er Rabbit, Br’er Fox and the briar patch was written by Robert Roosevelt some years before Chandler wrote of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby

Until now, you only referred to “(as originally written)”, which would be Roosevelt, not as written by Chandler.

The character in your post was Tar Baby, not Uncle Remus. There is a “briar patch” in the original Roosevelt story.

Since you’re the one that drew the comparison in the OP, it would make sense that you should be the one to share your own conclusion, which you refuse to do.
 
bluesmoke said:
The original story of Tar Baby, Br’er Rabbit, Br’er Fox and the briar patch was written by Robert Roosevelt some years before Chandler wrote of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby

Until now, you only referred to “(as originally written)”, which would be Roosevelt, not as written by Chandler.
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Actually NEITHER Mr. Roosevelt nor Mr Chandler can claim to be the "originators" of the story, so I will agree that Mr. Roosevelt wrote his version first, and I am sure that you will agree that there was no "briar patch" in Mr. Chandler's version, so I'll leave it at we were both partially correct.

bluesmoke said:
The character in your post was Tar Baby, not Uncle Remus.
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Since, in the Chandler version, the narrator was "Uncle Remus", your point is? What?

bluesmoke said:
There is a “briar patch” in the original Roosevelt story.
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True, but not in the Chandler version.

bluesmoke said:
Since you’re the one that drew the comparison in the OP, it would make sense that you should be the one to share your own conclusion, which you refuse to do.
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I'll refer you to

"Does it sound a bit like maybe "Don' y'all go hittin' dat dere Tar Baby, Massa Trump, jes, don't y'al go doin' dat." isn't an inappropriate impression of what is happening here?"​

(which sort of looks like an opinion to me) and to this section of your linked article

Idiomatic references

The story has given rise to two American English idioms. References to Br'er Rabbit's feigned protestations such as "please don't fling me in dat brier-patch" refer to guilefully seeking something by pretending to protest, with a "briar patch" often meaning a more advantageous situation or environment for one of the parties. The term "tar baby" has come to refer to a problem that is exacerbated by attempts to struggle with it, or by extension to a situation in which mere contact can lead to becoming inextricably involved. (emphasis added)​

Now can we get down to the "real issue" which is

"Is the correct name for the character "B'Rabbit", or "Br'er Rabbit"?​

rather than pettifogging around?
 
Quoting...

" Does it sound a bit like maybe "Don' y'all go hittin' dat dere Tar Baby, Massa Trump, jes, don't y'al go doin' dat." isn't an inappropriate impression of what is happening here? "

Terrible English.
Anyways...
This Russian stuff has worn itself out. Who really cares ?
Only the liberal/Demos.
 
PTF said:
Quoting...

" Does it sound a bit like maybe "Don' y'all go hittin' dat dere Tar Baby, Massa Trump, jes, don't y'al go doin' dat." isn't an inappropriate impression of what is happening here? "

Terrible English.
Anyways...
This Russian stuff has worn itself out. Who really cares ?
Only the liberal/Demos.
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And, of course, those other people who actually care about whether or not the United States of America actually has free, fair, open, and honest elections conducted in accordance with the laws of the United States of America and not surreptitiously influenced by foreign powers.

Yes, all 12 or so of those Republicans.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Actually NEITHER Mr. Roosevelt nor Mr Chandler can claim to be the "originators" of the story, so I will agree that Mr. Roosevelt wrote his version first, and I am sure that you will agree that there was no "briar patch" in Mr. Chandler's version, so I'll leave it at we were both partially correct.



Since, in the Chandler version, the narrator was "Uncle Remus", your point is? What?



True, but not in the Chandler version.



I'll refer you to

"Does it sound a bit like maybe "Don' y'all go hittin' dat dere Tar Baby, Massa Trump, jes, don't y'al go doin' dat." isn't an inappropriate impression of what is happening here?"​

(which sort of looks like an opinion to me) and to this section of your linked article

Idiomatic references

The story has given rise to two American English idioms. References to Br'er Rabbit's feigned protestations such as "please don't fling me in dat brier-patch" refer to guilefully seeking something by pretending to protest, with a "briar patch" often meaning a more advantageous situation or environment for one of the parties. The term "tar baby" has come to refer to a problem that is exacerbated by attempts to struggle with it, or by extension to a situation in which mere contact can lead to becoming inextricably involved. (emphasis added)​

Now can we get down to the "real issue" which is

"Is the correct name for the character "B'Rabbit", or "Br'er Rabbit"?​

rather than pettifogging around?
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I didn’t say Roosevelt was the “originator” of the story. I said he was the first one to put the story in writing. It was a collection of story as was only spoken by the slaves as they themselves recalled from Africa, possibly Ghana. I will, though, say he was the first to put into the story he wrote that was probably not even told quite the same before.

“the narrator was "Uncle Remus", your point is?”

Poorly worded. I was taking your “Uncle Remus stories” as if you were saying that was the title of the book, which is wrong anyway. The story with “Tar Baby” in the title is what Chandler wrote as one of the Uncle Remus series of stories.

“I'll refer you to”

You still didn’t give your idea of “Who or what is analogous to the fox, the rabbit, Tar Baby and the briar “who” was analogous to the fox, rabbit and Tar Baby. That is what I asked. But, skip it. Thanks for the rest of what you said.

“"Is the correct name for the character "B'Rabbit", or "Br'er Rabbit"?”

Definitely the real issue. Bre'r Rabbit or Brer Rabbit? Then, there is “B'Rabbit", or "Br'er Rabbit." I Haven’t seen “Brear Rabbit.” I’d say that since there is a ‘”Br’er Fox” and a "Br’er Bear“, because they use “Br’er”, the correct name is “Br’er Rabbit.” Eh?
 
bluesmoke said:
I didn’t say Roosevelt was the “originator” of the story. I said he was the first one to put the story in writing. It was a collection of story as was only spoken by the slaves as they themselves recalled from Africa, possibly Ghana. I will, though, say he was the first to put into the story he wrote that was probably not even told quite the same before.
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Considering that the same story (different names for the characters) is found in many other societies, some of which had writing before the United States of America existed, I'm OK with "He was the first native English Speaking American to publish the story in English.".

bluesmoke said:
Poorly worded. I was taking your “Uncle Remus stories” as if you were saying that was the title of the book, which is wrong anyway. The story with “Tar Baby” in the title is what Chandler wrote as one of the Uncle Remus series of stories.
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And "Uncle Remus" was the narrator of that story. Right?

bluesmoke said:
You still didn’t give your idea of “Who or what is analogous to the fox, the rabbit, Tar Baby and the briar “who” was analogous to the fox, rabbit and Tar Baby. That is what I asked. But, skip it. Thanks for the rest of what you said.
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I do prefer not to do ALL of the thinking for ALL of the people on the Internet. Those who are able to take an analogy and "fill in the blanks" for themselves are the most interesting people to communicate with - even if I don't agree with what they fill in the blanks with.

bluesmoke said:
“"Is the correct name for the character "B'Rabbit", or "Br'er Rabbit"?”

Definitely the real issue. Bre'r Rabbit or Brer Rabbit? Then, there is “B'Rabbit", or "Br'er Rabbit." I Haven’t seen “Brear Rabbit.” I’d say that since there is a ‘”Br’er Fox” and a "Br’er Bear“, because they use “Br’er”, the correct name is “Br’er Rabbit.” Eh?
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Ahh, but how do you know that it was correctly transcribed in the first place?

Is there any universally accepted transliteration for "Rabbitish"?
 
"He was the first native English Speaking American to publish the story in English."


There were many other stories in many different countries written long before Roosevelt that had a character of the same nature as Tar Baby by another name. Many of those stories do not align the same with the Roosevelt or Harris story. Most have some connection to a spoken folktale of, probably, the same provenance. There are of those, though, that can be said to have been of independent origin as well. Otherwise, most all folktales could be said to have originated with Aesop’s Fables. I wouldn’t mind going with that logic, regardless of others writing a story of similar nature independently.

“And "Uncle Remus" was the narrator of that story. Right?”

That’s what I understand. Did I say otherwise?

So, you have other people fill in the blanks, but you don’t, professor? Ye emperour... made hym & his cardenals ride in reed on hye ors. ��

“Ahh, but how do you know that it was correctly transcribed in the first place?”

No better than I know “roas’ me” or “dat.”

“Is there any universally accepted transliteration for "Rabbitish"?”

Since the transliteration is of a language as spoken, not written, we’ll just have to take the author’s “word” for it.
 
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bluesmoke said:
Otherwise, most all folktales could be said to have originated with Aesop’s Fables. I wouldn’t mind going with that logic, regardless of others writing a story of similar nature independently.
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That, of course, would also include those other versions which were composed before the Aesop's Fables were written as well as those which were composed by people who had never heard of Aesop. Right?

bluesmoke said:
So, you have other people fill in the blanks, but you don’t, professor?
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When I am dealing with people that I believe are capable of independent thought, that's right. I rather suspect that you are a person that is capable of independent thought, but if I am wrong, please advise.

bluesmoke said:
Since the transliteration is of a language as spoken, not written, we’ll just have to take the author’s “word” for it.
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Ouch.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
That, of course, would also include those other versions which were composed before the Aesop's Fables were written as well as those which were composed by people who had never heard of Aesop. Right?



When I am dealing with people that I believe are capable of independent thought, that's right. I rather suspect that you are a person that is capable of independent thought, but if I am wrong, please advise.



Ouch.
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“That, of course, would also include those other versions which were composed before the Aesop's Fables were written as well as those which were composed by people who had never heard of Aesop. Right?”

I think I meant that, too. Right.

Just a bit of a correction. Aesop’s fables were told, not written. They were, though, among the first printed works in the vernacular European languages. Then there's the question whether all the fables were actually his and whether or not he even existed.

“When I am dealing with people that I believe are capable of independent thought, that's right. I rather suspect that you are a person that is capable of independent thought, but if I am wrong, please advise.”

Ahhh. I get it now. You want people capable of independent thought to fill-in the blanks for you. Thanks for the clarity.
 
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