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Teacher apologizes for accidentally shooting gun in classroom

TU Curmudgeon said:
This is why the US must have armed teachers in all the classrooms. This guy was a trained LEO and didn't kill a single student when he demonstrates proper firearms safety.
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He was not authorized to carry his gun into the classroom, but did so anyway. If he was so "trained" in firearms, why did he not know whether or not his gun was loaded before he entered a public building with a firearm he was not authorized to carry there? He needed to check in front of the students? Supposedly this is a law officer? What shall we expect when the ordinary gun toting teacher is carrying in the classroom? Very fine idea that, arming teachers. :roll:
 
JMR said:
He was not authorized to carry his gun into the classroom, but did so anyway. If he was so "trained" in firearms, why did he not know whether or not his gun was loaded before he entered a public building with a firearm he was not authorized to carry there? He needed to check in front of the students? Supposedly this is a law officer? What shall we expect when the ordinary gun toting teacher is carrying in the classroom? Very fine idea that, arming teachers. :roll:
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It really is just that simple isn't it.
 
jet57 said:
Yeah then; it sure did. But - what if - and this is a very important question - what if the guy had chosen (personal responsibility) to be smarter and thought of the welfare of the kids and just not brought a gun into a classroom, or on the school grounds period, and just avoided the **** altogether?
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What if the mother had chosen to put the phone down while driving; if the toddler had been better supervised, etc.

The point though is that every day millions of Americans handle firearms without shooting anyone... and that accidents have been in decline for decades, so making this out to be a major issue is an over dramatization.

Whereas I'm pretty sure that if several properly trained and vetted staff were armed at each school, we'd cut our school-massacre losses by 90%...
 
jet57 said:
Not trained well enough apparently.

Stupid is more like it.
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He was trained very well. That is my point. Those that see training as a requirement to have 2A rights miss that basic fact. I am quite confident that I could pass a written gun safety/law test and target shooting test with my pistol - just like I can pass the tests written, vision and practical test required to drive. The problem is, at least in Texas, that it would cost me $240 to get a CHL yet only $24 to get a drivers license.
 
Goshin said:
What if the mother had chosen to put the phone down while driving; if the toddler had been better supervised, etc.

The point though is that every day millions of Americans handle firearms without shooting anyone... and that accidents have been in decline for decades, so making this out to be a major issue is an over dramatization.

Whereas I'm pretty sure that if several properly trained and vetted staff were armed at each school, we'd cut our school-massacre losses by 90%...
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And increase accidents
 
jet57 said:
It's the price for freedom: a true training course; you should appreciate that.
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If someone requires a "training course" before someone else can have a gun then they are taking away the other person's 2nd Amendment right to "keep and bear arms" because the 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about "safely".
 
Goshin said:
Yes, it did.

To those directly affected it would be a monumental tragedy. Obviously. But again, we're talking a nation of 330 million.


In the same time period, a mother with three children in her van ran a red light because she was on the phone. One of those children died, another was critically injured.

Is that any less a tragedy? No.

Nor the toddler who drowned in a bucket yesterday, which you probably never heard about unless it was in your town. Or the two teens that drowned in the river because the adult watching them couldn't swim.

But this incident, which did not end in tragedy, is front and center with weeping and wailing, because it supports a certain agenda.


Gun related accidents have been trending downward for 40 years... but in a nation of 330 million there will be some, just as there will be traffic accidents, swimming accidents, skiing accidents...
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So the occasional child's life here or there doesn't matter in your grand scheme of things?
 
jet57 said:
Yeah then; it sure did. But - what if - and this is a very important question - what if the guy had chosen (personal responsibility) to be smarter and thought of the welfare of the kids and just not brought a gun into a classroom, or on the school grounds period, and just avoided the **** altogether?
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Bringing the gun into the classroom caused no harm - pulling it out, safety off (if so equipped), pointing up toward the ceiling and intentionally pulling trigger caused the harm.
 
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Goshin said:
What if the mother had chosen to put the phone down while driving; if the toddler had been better supervised, etc.

The point though is that every day millions of Americans handle firearms without shooting anyone... and that accidents have been in decline for decades, so making this out to be a major issue is an over dramatization.

Whereas I'm pretty sure that if several properly trained and vetted staff were armed at each school, we'd cut our school-massacre losses by 90%...
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The point is what I brought up in post # 23: A person in a school classroom that had NO authority to possess a firearm in said school classroom

also, no charges have been filed = bull**** ..........
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Bring the gun into the classroom caused no harm - pulling it out, safety off (if so equipped), pointing up toward the ceiling and intentionally pulling trigger caused the harm.
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Bringing the gun into the classromm made it a riskier place to be. No gun, no accidental shooting.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Bringing the gun into the classromm made it a riskier place to be. No gun, no accidental shooting.
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No brain, no headache. Having armed personnel in a school is not the problem, in fact, many are claiming that it would help to discourage some very dangerous folks from seeking to use schools as soft targets of opportunity to gain mass shooter infamy.
 
B'smith said:
Yet more news from yesterday, innumerable citizens used a firearm to protect themselves against criminals whose intent was not to make anyone else any healthier, wealthier or happier. They chose not to report the incident to the police who were minutes away when seconds counted.
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Got a link for that?
 
well, here we are over 40 posts in & I am the only one asking why did the teacher have the gun in a school classroom.

I guess unauthorized weapons in a school classroom isn't really a big deal, now days ..............
 
Goshin said:
What if the mother had chosen to put the phone down while driving; if the toddler had been better supervised, etc.

The point though is that every day millions of Americans handle firearms without shooting anyone... and that accidents have been in decline for decades, so making this out to be a major issue is an over dramatization.

Whereas I'm pretty sure that if several properly trained and vetted staff were armed at each school, we'd cut our school-massacre losses by 90%...
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C'mon... stop avoiding with sill analogies. The point is, a stupid man brought a loaded gun onto school grounds with the knowledge and permission of more stupid people and by God's good graces a kid(s) wast't killed.

What you see as valuable I just don't understand.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
He was trained very well. That is my point. Those that see training as a requirement to have 2A rights miss that basic fact. I am quite confident that I could pass a written gun safety/law test and target shooting test with my pistol - just like I can pass the tests written, vision and practical test required to drive. The problem is, at least in Texas, that it would cost me $240 to get a CHL yet only $24 to get a drivers license.
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No he wasn't, and he shouldn't have a gun on the school grounds.
 
Rogue Valley said:
He got lucky, as did all the students in his class. Having armed teachers is really a bad idea.
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How about an FBI guy that discharged his gun in his apartment complex; he fixed it up on the promise of silence.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
If someone requires a "training course" before someone else can have a gun then they are taking away the other person's 2nd Amendment right to "keep and bear arms" because the 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about "safely".
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shhh, don't tell'em, it'll only confuse'em
 
Manc Skipper said:
So the occasional child's life here or there doesn't matter in your grand scheme of things?
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It's just the price we pay for freedom, which is just another word for 'nuthin left to lose'.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Bringing the gun into the classroom caused no harm - pulling it out, safety off (if so equipped), pointing up toward the ceiling and intentionally pulling trigger caused the harm.
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Bring a gun into the classroom is exactly the reason someone almost got killed. What part of that is so hard for you to accept? Must you always deny and deflect?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
If someone requires a "training course" before someone else can have a gun then they are taking away the other person's 2nd Amendment right to "keep and bear arms" because the 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about "safely".
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It doesn't mention guns either. Or magazines.
 
jet57 said:
No he wasn't, and he shouldn't have a gun on the school grounds.
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Based on what? Are you asserting that he broke the law and that no action was taken to arrest him? If so California is more loony than had I realized.
 
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