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Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe fired

Athanasius68 said:
He is not just some guy at a bar. Thepresident is in charge of the Justice dept. He is their boss.
Thats the problem.

The kicker is that as head of the justice dept. he is absolutely within his rights to direct investigations.
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He is Session's boss but he doesn't run the DOJ. He still has the right to express his opinion.
 
Rexedgar said:
Well, there is this precedent:

Washington (CNN)White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Tuesday President Donald Trump's tweets are indeed official statements.

"The President is the President of the United States, so they're considered official statements by the President of the United States," Spicer said, when asked during his daily briefing how they should be characterized. Spicer did not indicate whether that included both of the President's Twitter handles: @realDonaldTrump and @POTUS.
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They are official statements in the fact that he has to keep a record of them and archive them but they aren't considered an official statement of constructing policy or issuing directives.
 
NonoBadDog said:
He is Session's boss but he doesn't run the DOJ. He still has the right to express his opinion.
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Tell Trump and Sessions that. Trump gave orders to Sessions multiple times to investigate Clinton, and in the end that's precisely what Sessions did.
 
NonoBadDog said:
They are official statements in the fact that he has to keep a record of them and archive them but they aren't considered an official statement of constructing policy or issuing directives.
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Says who?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Actually I feel bad for McCabe who was apparently an exemplary public servant and outstanding in most of his tenure with the FBI, at least until he got caught up in the Obama/Clinton web. It feels unfair for a stellar career to end in such disgrace and at huge personal cost.

But we cannot have members of government, especially those with the powers given the FBI, choosing sides in a presidential election and covering up or manipulating incriminating evidence for the candidate they prefer while intentionally trying to undermine or hurt the opposition. And the penalty(ies) for doing that should be certain and severe.

I am sure that there are others now very concerned at how deep this rabbit hole is going to go and whether they too will be held accountable for whatever role they played in the whole sorry mess. But if we don't demand that those we entrust with terrible powers to use them judiciously and with full integrity, we no longer have a representative republic but we have become a dangerous totalitarian dictatorship.
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I totally agree. The same could be said of Flynn's career and he screwed up. I have seen a lot of people that have had amazing accomplishments and have just flushed their career for some reason or another. It only takes one "ah crap" to wipe out 1000 attaboys.
 
NonoBadDog said:
O already said. He has an opinion and a right to state his opinion. He didn't have any influence and that is why they aren't important. How many times are you going to ask the same question?
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If only you were correct and the President's tweets had no influence. Everything a President says has repercussions.
 
Cardinal said:
No, you tell me why they're unimportant. You mocked the fact that they were tweets. Explain why.



Imagine that. I just single handedly revoked Trump's 1st Amendment rights. I'm pretty extraordinary. Keep pushing me and I'll single handedly suspend his right to Due Process too.



Explain what makes them "just" tweets.



And I'm glad he does, because by doing so he's continually added obstruction of justice evidence to his resume and shattered any possibility that McCabe was fired for legitimate reasons. If he knew how to keep his mouth shut he probably could have gotten away with it.
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Influence, where is the influence that makes Trump's tweets so illegal? He isn't obstructing justice by tweeting. Are you claiming that Horowitz, School and Will are complicit in the illegal firing of McCabe? That is the only way your conspiracy theory works.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I totally agree. The same could be said of Flynn's career and he screwed up. I have seen a lot of people that have had amazing accomplishments and have just flushed their career for some reason or another. It only takes one "ah crap" to wipe out 1000 attaboys.
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Flynn got caught up in Trump greed and corruption. It has the ability to corrode the mind and even common sense.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Influence, where is the influence that makes Trump's tweets so illegal? He isn't obstructing justice by tweeting. Are you claiming that Horowitz, School and Will are complicit in the illegal firing of McCabe? That is the only way your conspiracy theory works.
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Yes, about that conspiracy theory:

We know that Trump has ordered the DOJ to investigate Clinton multiple times, and has repeatedly berated Sessions multiple times for recusing himself, thus leading to the appointment of Mueller. We also know that Trump has a personal hatred for McCabe that he's made public, and that he publicly ranted about the idea that McCabe would retire with full benefits. Finally we know the DOJ finally caved in to Trump's demands and ordered the FBI to open an investigation into the Clinton Foundation. So we have four elements:

1. Trump's multiple demonstrations breaching the wall between the WH and the DOJ, showing his willingness to do so anywhere it suits him.
2. We know that the target of his ire is known to be loathed by Trump.
3. We know that the action is specifically suited to the complaint Trump had about McCabe, and
4. We know that the DOJ has shown itself willing to be used to go after Trump's political enemies.

So yes, it's entirely likely that the IG and OPR, both of which operate under the DOJ and which has shown itself willing to be used politically by Trump, has succumbed to Trump's pressure as well. Since it already happened to the FBI, then there's every reason to assume it happened with the IG and OPR as well.
 
Cardinal said:
Nope, sorry, too late. I already suspended Trump's first amendment rights. And because you pushed I've now gone ahead and suspended his right to Due Process as well. Keep it up and I'll suspend his right to freedom of assembly.



So far, your reason for Trump's tweets being unimportant is that they're unimportant. Is that your argument?
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Asked and answered already. Get some new material. His tweets had no influence on this investigation. Like it or not that's reality.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Why are they important? When did the president give up his 1st Amendment Rights? His tweets are just tweets and a good way to push the buttons of the left. He has the right to express his opinions.
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Give me a break - he's also POTUS and directly or indirectly has the jobs of those making the decision in his hands. His tweets are more like "get rid of this guy or I'll get rid of YOU" than "just tweets." It's not nothing that the rumors for the past week was Trump was going to fire Sessions, and so Sessions firing McCabe at approaching the literally last minute with his job being threatened all week, can only be seen as coincidence by the most deluded Trump lemmings. And to put a capper on it was Trump's gloating in the middle of the night.

So, yeah, he has a right to express himself and the rest of us have a right to not be gullible morons, which we'd be to pretend they're irrelevant.
 
Cardinal said:
"Senator Leahy calls on Senator Grassley to hold an emergency hearing on the politicization of DoJ.

'Never before have I been more concerned for the institutions we rely on to maintain our government’s integrity than I am today.'"

-Sam Stein, Daily Beast

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/975075794186899456
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Democrat Senator from Vermont is whining about the Politicization of the DOJ ? And we should care why ? He's really going to lose it when the IGs report is released

How about we ignore clown asses like Leahy and continue holding people like McCabe accountable for their actions.
 
iguanaman said:
If only you were correct and the President's tweets had no influence. Everything a President says has repercussions.
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JasperL said:
Give me a break - he's also POTUS and directly or indirectly has the jobs of those making the decision in his hands. His tweets are more like "get rid of this guy or I'll get rid of YOU" than "just tweets." It's not nothing that the rumors for the past week was Trump was going to fire Sessions, and so Sessions firing McCabe at approaching the literally last minute with his job being threatened all week, can only be seen as coincidence by the most deluded Trump lemmings. And to put a capper on it was Trump's gloating in the middle of the night.

So, yeah, he has a right to express himself and the rest of us have a right to not be gullible morons, which we'd be to pretend they're irrelevant.
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Cardinal said:
Tell Trump and Sessions that. Trump gave orders to Sessions multiple times to investigate Clinton, and in the end that's precisely what Sessions did.
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Nobody has proven that Trump's tweets had any effect on this investigation. Unless anyone has proof it's no more than speculation fed by TDS. At least one of you come up with some kind of proof of your allegation that Trump's tweets had any sway on this investigation.
 
JasperL said:
Give me a break - he's also POTUS and directly or indirectly has the jobs of those making the decision in his hands. His tweets are more like "get rid of this guy or I'll get rid of YOU" than "just tweets." It's not nothing that the rumors for the past week was Trump was going to fire Sessions, and so Sessions firing McCabe at approaching the literally last minute with his job being threatened all week, can only be seen as coincidence by the most deluded Trump lemmings. And to put a capper on it was Trump's gloating in the middle of the night.

So, yeah, he has a right to express himself and the rest of us have a right to not be gullible morons, which we'd be to pretend they're irrelevant.
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I have not the slightest doubt the FBI IG played it fair and square. I've known a lot of IG's; they don't get pushed around.
 
NonoBadDog said:
He is Session's boss but he doesn't run the DOJ. He still has the right to express his opinion.
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The DOJ reports to the president. It is not independent of the president.
The president is free to express his opinion. But understand, it is the "boss" expressing his opinion about his subordinates work.
 
iguanaman said:
If only you were correct and the President's tweets had no influence. Everything a President says has repercussions.
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Like when Obama said he didn't think Hillary did anything wrong with her lost emails while the investigation was still going on?
 
Moot said:
Fine words....I hope that includes Trump.
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If President Trump violates the public trust, yes he should be held accountable. We KNOW that all the evidence points to Andrew McCabe doing so. There is nothing at this time pointing to President Trump as doing so however much those afflicted with TDS want there to be.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Influence, where is the influence that makes Trump's tweets so illegal? He isn't obstructing justice by tweeting. Are you claiming that Horowitz, School and Will are complicit in the illegal firing of McCabe? That is the only way your conspiracy theory works.
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His tweets a are not illegal. Nor does it obstruct justice.
It should not happen though.
 
Cardinal said:
Tell Trump and Sessions that. Trump gave orders to Sessions multiple times to investigate Clinton, and in the end that's precisely what Sessions did.
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And Trump is fully within his rights to have done so.
 
NonoBadDog said:
O already said. He has an opinion and a right to state his opinion. He didn't have any influence and that is why they aren't important. How many times are you going to ask the same question?
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LOL, unbelievable. He is after all just POTUS....:roll:
 
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