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Florida International University Bridge Collapses, Cars Underneath

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Florida International University Bridge Collapses, Cars Underneath « CBS Miami

MIAMI (CBSMiami) — Florida International University’s massive new pedestrian bridge collapsed Thursday afternoon in West Miami-Dade.

The bridge, located at 109th Ave and 8th Street, collapsed on a number of cars.

Florida Highway Patrol confirms several people are dead due to the collapse.
CNN stating a number of fatalities.
Story still developing
Understand this was new construction.
 
Recently opened as well, what kind of shoddy engineering and construction was done on that bridge. At first I was thinking it was an old bridge that fell apart due to lack of updates, but it just opened
 
With all the deregulation, this is awesome, cheaper projects, no oversight, and now they get paid to clean up the mess then paid again to build it again, it's a win win for all. So much winning!

While likely not because of the new deregulation, expect to see future results like this.
 
With all the deregulation, this is awesome, cheaper projects, no oversight, and now they get paid to clean up the mess then paid again to build it again, it's a win win for all. So much winning!

While likely not because of the new deregulation, expect to see future results like this.

Shame on you, just shame on you.
 
Recently opened as well, what kind of shoddy engineering and construction was done on that bridge. At first I was thinking it was an old bridge that fell apart due to lack of updates, but it just opened

I understand it spanned 8 lanes? What an awful thing to have happened, regardless.
 
Shame on you, just shame on you.

Why? Do you think allowing projects to rush through without proper environmental study is going to produce awesome results? Yeah science, weatther, we can just ignore that crap and throw up cheap projects that fail, pocket more money having to repairand redo them. Just so many jobs would be lost doing things right the first time, why the hell would we want that?
 
With all the deregulation, this is awesome, cheaper projects, no oversight, and now they get paid to clean up the mess then paid again to build it again, it's a win win for all. So much winning!

While likely not because of the new deregulation, expect to see future results like this.

Wow, multiple injuries and deaths are being reported but your first instinct is to politicize this tragedy

Your one sick puppy
 
With all the deregulation, this is awesome, cheaper projects, no oversight, and now they get paid to clean up the mess then paid again to build it again, it's a win win for all. So much winning!

While likely not because of the new deregulation, expect to see future results like this.

Please look up all the construction tragedies that occurred before deregulation.

Good gosh. Idiocy.
 
Wow, multiple injuries and deaths are being reported but your first instinct is to politicize this tragedy

Your one sick puppy

There was a very real deregulation that will cause more of this and that is of no concern at all to you? Of course not, deregulation is always good to you types, till it effects you personally.
 
I understand it spanned 8 lanes? What an awful thing to have happened, regardless.

I've always had an irrational fear when I am stuck in traffic under an overpass.. or stuck in traffic on a bridge. This story isn't helping.
 
Why? Do you think allowing projects to rush through without proper environmental study is going to produce awesome results? Yeah science, weatther, we can just ignore that crap and throw up cheap projects that fail, pocket more money having to repairand redo them. Just so many jobs would be lost doing things right the first time, why the hell would we want that?

So you are arguing that this collapse was due to lacking "environmental studies"? :roll:
 
I hope people can be saved and the rescuers are unharmed.
Who would think a brand-new bridge would just collapse days after it opened. What a tragedy:(
 
I've always had an irrational fear when I am stuck in traffic under an overpass.. or stuck in traffic on a bridge. This story isn't helping.

Maybe not so irrational after all
 
I hope people can be saved and the rescuers are unharmed.
Who would think a brand-new bridge would just collapse days after it opened. What a tragedy:(

Bridge was built as a "modular" unit...Constructed off site and put into place....Was not yet open to the public
 
Some history on the need for this bridge.

https://news.fiu.edu/2014/01/universitycity-a-plan-for-the-future-that-starts-today/73237

FIU has embarked on an ambitious $124 million plan that is already transforming FIU and neighboring Sweetwater.

It is called UniversityCity and combines two major components: creation of a transportation hub at the Modesto A. Maidique Campus (MMC) featuring enhanced bus service to connect east and west Miami-Dade County, and the development of a small, economically stable downtown in the city of Sweetwater. FIU believes this new infrastructure will help alleviate worsening traffic by stimulating development of student-oriented housing in Sweetwater, encouraging use of public transit and decreasing the distances between where people live, work, play and go to school.

“We are trying to plan, prepare and build for the future,” says Steve Sauls, FIU’s vice president for Governmental Relations. “We’re leveraging university expertise to respond to locally based problems and thinking very intentionally about how people interface with the physical and social environment on and around campus.”

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The project also will address FIU’s continued growth and its ability to serve ever-greater numbers of students. Today MMC has parking available for as many as 11,500 cars, a number that leaves many drivers circling around for open spaces during peak times on a typical weekday.

“We have a great university, and imagine if people couldn’t get here because the roads are all congested,” Sauls says. At issue are also questions of sustainability, among them quality of life, health and the environment. “These are problems with solutions that take a long time to plan and implement,” he explains. “We need to be forward thinking. There is no time like the present to begin working on them and to create momentum.”

Getting started
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A conceptual rendering of the bridge on the FIU side of the Southwest 8th Street – 109th Ave. intersection.

Over the last several years Sauls has built a coalition of local, state and national agencies to coordinate a variety of projects related to the UniversityCity plan. He also brought on board numerous collaborators and secured initial funding.

An $11.4 million U.S. Department of Transportation grant announced in the fall will make possible the construction of a pedestrian bridge across Southwest 8th Street to connect MMC with Sweetwater’s main street at 109th Avenue. The bridge will offer safe passage over a highly traveled seven-lane road and is expected to be completed in 2017. But that quiet area – currently a collection of mom-and-pop businesses – will see its first boost in activity long before that. This summer a new, private 15-story, student-oriented apartment building will welcome its first residents. Other residential projects are already in the works as are shops and eateries that would attract students, faculty and staff. For a commuter school bounded on four sides by busy thoroughfares, an easily accessible, dynamic urban village should create a lot of interest.

Architecture Professor Adam Drisin worked on initial plans for UniversityCity, which early on involved architecture students presenting ideas. FIU’s efforts in Sweetwater, he said, reflect a growing trend in American universities.
 
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Bridge was built as a "modular" unit...Constructed off site and put into place....Was not yet open to the public

I caught that, and also something about the concrete they used. The modular construction was supposed to make erecting the bridge safer.
Several cars are crushed underneath...I can't even imagine.
 
So you are saying you can't really read what I said?

No, I can read what you wrote, I'm starting to realize you don't even know enough to understand what you wrote.

FYI: The foot bridge was a NEW construction technique meant to limit traffic tie ups on the highway during construction and improve safety of the construction workers, it wasn't built on the cheap, and was using what you colloquially (and incorrectly) term "science". So you ignorantly swooped in and crapped a assload of stupid on the thread in an attempt to plant your ideological flag on the bodies of people still pinned under that bridge.

As Lovebug said, shame on you.
 
I caught that, and also something about the concrete they used. The modular construction was supposed to make erecting the bridge safer.
Several cars are crushed underneath...I can't even imagine.

The designs have been used in Europe and Asia, to great effect....Something obviously went terribly wrong in calculating the stress loads....
 
FIU has been expanding almost exponentially (student population and facilities) for 3 decades. The amount of construction on and around campus, constantly and over the years, is astounding. My guess is shear volume of construction and rush to complete lead to something poorly designed or built.
 
No, I can read what you wrote, I'm starting to realize you don't even know enough to understand what you wrote.

FYI: The foot bridge was a NEW construction technique meant to limit traffic tie ups on the highway during construction and improve safety of the construction workers, it wasn't built on the cheap, and was using what you colloquially (and incorrectly) term "science". So you ignorantly swooped in and crapped a assload of stupid on the thread in an attempt to plant your ideological flag on the bodies of people still pinned under that bridge.

As Lovebug said, shame on you.

No, I admitted in the first post, had you read it and retained what you'd read, that it was likely unrelated. It still reminds me how recently we slashed regulations requiring such projects to be studied both for environmental impact and enviropnmental factors that will damage the structure.
 
Maybe not so irrational after all


Well, it was certainly based on real world occurrences, probably dating back to the time I spent glued to the TV in the aftermath of the LA earthquake. It's just not an occurrence that is frequent enough to warrant anxiety. I think if I lived in that area I would have steered clear of bridges built using "new techniques", though.
 
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https://www.wptv.com/news/state/pedestrian-bridge-collapses-near-florida-international-university
 
No, I admitted in the first post, had you read it and retained what you'd read, that it was likely unrelated. It still reminds me how recently we slashed regulations requiring such projects to be studied both for environmental impact and enviropnmental factors that will damage the structure.

And, again, you tried to plant your ideological flag on the bodies of people who died an hour ago. It is a scummy, degenerate act. You then followed that up by trying to defend your statement by making absolutely stupid arguments about why your stupid statements weren't stupid.

Pro Tip: They were stupid.
 
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