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They've had enough. Students across country walk out to demand new gun laws

ludin said:
Nope i read it and responded in kind.
this is just the typical deflection i knew i was wasting my time but

I will quote you directly.

I just let my #2 son (the 18 year old) read this entire thread. After he finished he thanked me for being a good mother and not insulting his existence and ability to think for himself. He saw the post I made about how he may vote in November. He said "I think you already know. Please don't tell Dad."

Well done, Republicans. Good way to push new voters away.


no one is insulting him or his existence, no one is pushing him away as a voter.
those are all emotional based arguments.

Facts are facts.

The fact is we already have laws on the books to stop these people they are just not enforced.
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You should read the thread. My son did. He saw what I saw. Posts calling the kids who participated in the walk out yesterday ignorant, useful idiots, morons, stupid, tools, etc. So go back to the beginning, read the posts, and then come back and tell me nobody is insulting these kids, one of whom was my son.

Facts are facts. Try them sometime.
 
It would appear that young skulls full of mush are quite vulnerable to the appeal of virtue signalling with enthusiastic encouragement (read manipulation) and encomiums from more practiced political operatives who do it as a career choice.
Thus you see Gov. Andrew Cuomo laying on the concrete at a die-in and Bernie, Chuck, and Nancy trying to establish their 70 year old bona fides for the youngsters.
 
schumer to all the cute kids: this time gun control won't fail---because we have you

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...un_control_wont_fail_because_we_have_you.html

where's the bill?

where's di?

he creates an entire new generation of dreamers here in the parkland kids

and all their young (and old) supporters

millions of young americans, fed on empty promises

used, played, kicked down the road

all to ensure the people who killed poor lavontay are free to carry on

shame

shake those furry pom poms, chuckie

how many youth will be shot dead in chicago today?
 
tres borrachos said:
You should read the thread. My son did. He saw what I saw. Posts calling the kids who participated in the walk out yesterday ignorant, useful idiots, morons, stupid, tools, etc. So go back to the beginning, read the posts, and then come back and tell me nobody is insulting these kids, one of whom was my son.

Facts are facts. Try them sometime.
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I do have facts. i posted them a few times.

There are idiots everywhere he is going to have to learn to deal with that.

i can point to idiot blaming guns for the problem when guns have nothing to do with it.
 
blackjack50 said:
Yep. And my concern is that we are going to see more of this in the not too distant future. As long as we continue to ignore the REAL problem with people who want to commit mass violence. Aurora and columbine both featured attempts at bombing.

I’d be curious to see psychological profiles of suicide bombers/mass bombers and mass shooters compared. I’d wager they are similar if not the same. Radicalized and victim mentality.
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I think you're right. The question is, do we want to seek and find what and whom to look for when it come to these mass killings so we can do something about them or do we just want to look at guns. Look at guns and leaving the under the radar motivation, cause, reason alone for these mass killings.

Some uses a gun to kill masses, so we go after the gun. Someone uses a truck bomb to kill masses, so we build obstacles in front of federal and public buildings. What we don't do is trying to find the cause that motivates these folks to do these mass killings. I really don't think we as a nation, as a people give a hoot what the cause is. We're too busy going after the tool, first one, then another, then another. It's like we just have a one track mind. Either that or we are afraid if we delve too deeply for the cause, the motivation, we won't like it as our society has changed, that change may have caused this huge uptick in these things.
 
ObamacareFail said:
That's the problem. The libruls in general are not interested in the actual problem. They just want guns banned. Dead children is just an opportunity to be be exploited for political gain.
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Only in your mind.

You have to engage in this strawman to justify your world-view, then you're demonstrating that you don't have the strength to defend it on its own merit.
 
Casper said:
Define personal attacks. Is it a personal attack to point out that several students already have book deals?
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I know few successful advocates who DON'T have book deals. Books are a way to spread the message
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
So you don't think we have any gun laws in this country.
How many laws are there in this country that pertain to guns? 100's, 1000's, 10's of thousands, 100's of thousands. Does anyone even know? Do you think that the average law enforcement officer even knows all the gun laws in his jurisdiction? How many more will we need to make to fix the problem? Will one more law will stop the killings? Will a thousand new laws stop the killings? Will 10,000 new laws stop the killings?
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Yes we need new and better laws. What we have now is not working
 
apdst said:
Gun control is useless. It's wastes time that could be spent on solutions that could actually make a difference. Solutions based on historical fact, not some hypothetical study.
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Can you name a country that has low gun deaths and did it without gun control?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
They want laws. Do they realize we have so many laws that no single person can even begin to know them all. It is like counting to a 100 million. Even with all our computers and the ability we have to process information there is no computer that has all our laws in this country on it. If it wasn't such a daunting task our government would have assigned a thousand people to start imputing them. But even with a thousand people entering our laws onto a computer it could take decades to list them all. Hell we cannot even come close to removing all the ridiculous laws from the past. We have more laws than we can possibly enforce. We have 10's of millions of people breaking the law every day for decades just being in this country let alone all the other laws they are breaking. The insanity that 1 more law will solve the problem is beyond ridiculous. Hell let's make 100,000 new laws or 10 million new laws.

How about we go after the problem, and that is what went wrong in these peoples brains that made them think the right thing to do is go out and kill a bunch of people. Oh wait. That might actually solve the problem god forbid.
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Just name for me the country that has achieved low gun deaths without gun control
 
Casper said:
And get famous and make money......................
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Are you against those things. Wayne LaPierre is pretty famous too. As is Dana Loesch now.
 
I must say, it is in the running for my "Most Surreal Moment of the Week" to see Bernie Sanders wading through the crowd of adoring teenie boppers at the gun control rally surrounded by armed guards....

But I don't think anything beats the stupidity of this poster:

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:roll:
 
vegas giants said:
Are you against those things. Wayne LaPierre is pretty famous too. As is Dana Loesch now.
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They are in business, the students are just that, students, some going to make lots of money off the deaths of their fellow students.
 
Casper said:
They are in business, the students are just that, students, some going to make lots of money off the deaths of their fellow students.
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I see. Its ok for the NRA folks to get rich....and they are rich....but if they kids speak up they should be attacked. Got it.
 
vegas giants said:
Hawaii and New York. I have more if you need them
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Hawaii never had a history of gun ownership, and New York has not been nearly as successful as it like to make out. You overlooked California, Illinois, and Maryland, I wonder why?
 
vegas giants said:
I see. Its ok for the NRA folks to get rich....and they are rich....but if they kids speak up they should be attacked. Got it.
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As I said they are in Business, the Point of which is to Make Money. No one attacked the kids, just pointing out the truth, which seems to trigger you, maybe a few deep breaths would help.........
 
Casper said:
Hawaii never had a history of gun ownership, and New York has not been nearly as successful as it like to make out. You overlooked California, Illinois, and Maryland, I wonder why?
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I accept your concession for Hawaii and NY. By the way NYC is the safest large city in the country and one of the safest large cities in the world.

Now.....where do you think California, Illinois and Maryland rank? LOL
 
Casper said:
As I said they are in Business, the Point of which is to Make Money. No one attacked the kids, just pointing out the truth, which seems to trigger you, maybe a few deep breaths would help.........
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Only those in the business of making money can speak out....this is a very odd interpretation of the first amendment. LOL
 
Perotista said:
I think you're right. The question is, do we want to seek and find what and whom to look for when it come to these mass killings so we can do something about them or do we just want to look at guns. Look at guns and leaving the under the radar motivation, cause, reason alone for these mass killings.

Some uses a gun to kill masses, so we go after the gun. Someone uses a truck bomb to kill masses, so we build obstacles in front of federal and public buildings. What we don't do is trying to find the cause that motivates these folks to do these mass killings. I really don't think we as a nation, as a people give a hoot what the cause is. We're too busy going after the tool, first one, then another, then another. It's like we just have a one track mind. Either that or we are afraid if we delve too deeply for the cause, the motivation, we won't like it as our society has changed, that change may have caused this huge uptick in these things.
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This is entirely because we know the problem. Policy planners know.

Economic insecurity at home due to the financialization of our economy contributes to desperation.
Western interventionism abroad to destabilize nations and empower extremist regimes.
The US has been the largest factor in the spread of radical Islam. We encouraged it in the 70s and 80s.
We are now experiencing the logical results of that strategy. The planners actually want terrorism to spread. It gives justification for further interventionism. We continue to subsidize high tech industry with tax money to feed the beast of the military industrial complex.
 
apdst said:
Switzerland.
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My god they have VERY strict gun control. I LOVE it when people point to them. FAR FAR stricter than almost every state in the US
 
All are welcome in our "diverse" government school houses where failure is celebrated like Olympic gold.
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are you familiar with rj, restorative justice?

it's as bad as you say, and worse

it's also progressive discipline and pbis positive behavior intervention support

in broward it was part of the promise program

schools go absolutely crazy, entire districts, when 30 teenagers, or more, again and again commit the most egregious behaviors, many illegal, and are routinely returned to class

their paperwork is minimized, even buried in order to keep the discipline numbers down

one of the most prominent features of rj is the "talking piece"

ie, piggie's conch

i've seen rj, i worked it, my last 3 years almost every PD was devoted to rj

every teacher i worked with experienced extreme stress, many talked of sleeplessness, ulcers, blood pressure

i could tell you stories of things i've seen for hours

the lloyd family, the ransoms

for the last few years of my career (CA east bay) a couple times a year some mom with her sons or brothers would wait across the street after school to beat the crap outta the 15 year old enemy of her daughter

some fights aren't much but way too many are vicious, lots of head kicking, and cell phones, and stampedes to go see

i saw a principal chased down a hallway once by a mom

i never felt threatened, i had one class my second to last year i dreaded, i never won that class over, it's pretty upsetting

i never felt threatened but i was scared to death for my car

sorry
 
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