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Teacher tells class not to date African-Americans, students say

Acadia said:
Decidedly not.
Triggered today? What with all the ranting about those racist whities in the South.
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no, not triggered; expressing an opinion but you likely wouldn't know the difference .......
 
Superfly said:
This happened in Jacksonville. Jacksonville is surprisingly red. The entire area of north Florida area is red as hell. Unfortunately, I live nearby.

I was pissed when I found out that they didn't fire him outright. I was even more pissed to find out that there's a possibility that his contract will be renewed. DCPS hasn't decided yet, whether it will be renewed or not.
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if they hear from enuff folks like yourself then maybe they will fire the bigot .......
 
dcsports said:
That's not unique to the southern region of the country. Unfortunately, you find people in all areas who treat people with contempt based on things like the color of their skin, their chosen profession, or where they live.
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racism is not based on a profession, or where one lives; that is just plain ole being an asshole.

anyone can pick & choose their profession, or where they live; I cannot pick my skin color ............. can you?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
But Ben Stein said there's no institutional racism in America anymore!
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Ben Stein is a loon. lol
it very much exists but I think the issue is how people define it, everybody makes up thier own criteria so based on that they say it doesnt. So to be fair I guess id have to know how he defines it.

are things way better int his country? absolutely
Are there written rules that companies run buy to discriminate against minorities or women? of course not
are there still millions of racist and bigots against minorities and women in position of power and they practice racism and bigotry that many times goes unchecked, absolutely. Thats enough and exactly what people are talking about when they say institutional. It exists inside companies and orgs and goes unchecked in many ways and is also unspoken or not punished. :shrug:

Is there the OTHER end of the spectrum where people cry anything and everything is racist or bigoted? yes absolute that exists too. Both morons on different sides of the same problem coin.
 
holbritter said:
one asshole doesn't make it institutional.
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He was suspended for 10 days. Even more telling is the fact that he obviously thought it was okay to say that, that he wouldn't be in any trouble for saying such a thing.

Generally speaking, people of an organization - any organization - will act as they are trained, and will normally follow the example set for them by their leaders. If the leader maintains and enforces ethical standards, such will be reflected in his or her subordinates. Conversely, if the leader acts as if not bound by ethics, such will also be reflected by his or her subordinates.

Look at the Obama administration - how many ethics or conflict-of-interest scandals happened? Very few...and those that were reported were often blown way the heck out of proportion.

Now look at the Trump administration - how many ethics or conflict-of-interest scandals have been reported pretty much every single month since he's been in office?

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I'm not trying to be partisan about this, for this is a lesson I learned a long time ago when I was still a strong conservative. Under one captain, there was nothing that our ship could do right. We screwed up in just about every way - we couldn't pass inspections, we couldn't pass sea trials, and our crew morale was low - nobody gave a damn. Then we had this captain come on board...and all of a sudden we couldn't do anything wrong - in very little time our entire crew was more professional...we suddenly gave a damn. I was a young sailor at the time, and it took me a lot of years to figure out exactly what had happened...

...and what had happened was Captain Davis. He came in and began holding his senior officers to much higher standards than they'd faced before - that, and he personally demonstrated that he gave a damn about the crew. That was when I finally figured out not just how much influence the leader has...but how important is the example he or she sets for subordinates.

That's why the teacher in the OP did what he did - he thought it was okay to do so. And the reason he thought it was okay to do so was almost certainly because that's the kind of attitude he sees among his colleagues in the Teachers Lounge...and if that's the case, then it's because the one in charge hasn't been holding them to high ethical and professional standards. YES, it's possible that this was a one-off, that this was just one guy having one brain fart...

...but the fact that he was only suspended for ten days before he goes back to teaching the same kids should be your first indication that it's not a one-off. It's institutional.
 
cuban smokes said:
racism is not based on a profession, or where one lives; that is just plain ole being an asshole.

anyone can pick & choose their profession, or where they live; I cannot pick my skin color ............. can you?
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People shouldn't be based on any of those factors. Whether a person is a jerk also doesn't depend on any of those factors.
 
danarhea said:
Using the N word in class, and telling his students not to date African Americans? ...
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There are times and contexts (which should be clearly explained in advance) when it is appropriate to use "the 'N'word" in class. For example, a sentence like "Before the Civil War there were slaves in the United States of America. Those slaves were predominantly not of European extraction and a usual derogatory term for them was 'African-Americans'." makes almost no sense at all.

However, the report does NOT indicate that that was the context in which "the 'N'word" was used.

The other comment is one that I don't think that anyone can come up with an acceptable rationale for other than "It was racist.".
 
dcsports said:
People shouldn't be based on any of those factors. Whether a person is a jerk also doesn't depend on any of those factors.
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racism & being a prick are two different things .......................
 
AGENT J said:
Ben Stein is a loon. lol
it very much exists but I think the issue is how people define it, everybody makes up thier own criteria so based on that they say it doesnt. So to be fair I guess id have to know how he defines it.

are things way better int his country? absolutely
Are there written rules that companies run buy to discriminate against minorities or women? of course not
are there still millions of racist and bigots against minorities and women in position of power and they practice racism and bigotry that many times goes unchecked, absolutely. Thats enough and exactly what people are talking about when they say institutional. It exists inside companies and orgs and goes unchecked in many ways and is also unspoken or not punished. :shrug:

Is there the OTHER end of the spectrum where people cry anything and everything is racist or bigoted? yes absolute that exists too. Both morons on different sides of the same problem coin.
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I agree that there are many who are too eager to cry "racism" and "bigotry" at the drop of a hat...and I hate it when I see it. However, considering what they went through - and what they still go through - it's hard to place too much of the blame on them.

There's one such black woman that I've known for years - a bit too eager (but not as eager as some others) to play the "racism" card. But then, I can't help but bear in mind the story of when she was a child in the early 1960's, a couple of Mormon missionaries came to talk to a group that she was a part of. She was curious about what Mormons believed, so she asked them, "Do black people go to heaven too?"...and the Mormon missionaries replied, "Yes, but black people go to dog-and-cat heaven."

Just one encounter like that - to a little girl, no less! - can twist and skew a person's perceptions and attitude for an entire lifetime - and I think that was certainly the case with her. That's why I'm not so quick to lay much blame on the minorities who play the racism card.
 
AGENT J said:
If thats all true, yes this loon should be immediately fired and never allowed to teach again in a accredited system lol

I hope the suspension is just standard procedure (due process) to make sure the school has its ducks in a row then when its confirmed he is fired.


wait never mind, i read the whole thing now



No no and no. there should be a process where removes this mans teaching abilities and he is banned from teaching in all schools that are accredited.
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Yes there needs to be a process where an employee in a union can be fired for this.
Had a case here in Canada- went to our Supreme Court - ruled his firing was legal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Ross_(school_teacher)
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I agree that there are many who are too eager to cry "racism" and "bigotry" at the drop of a hat...and I hate it when I see it. However, considering what they went through - and what they still go through - it's hard to place too much of the blame on them.

There's one such black woman that I've known for years - a bit too eager (but not as eager as some others) to play the "racism" card. But then, I can't help but bear in mind the story of when she was a child in the early 1960's, a couple of Mormon missionaries came to talk to a group that she was a part of. She was curious about what Mormons believed, so she asked them, "Do black people go to heaven too?"...and the Mormon missionaries replied, "Yes, but black people go to dog-and-cat heaven."

Just one encounter like that - to a little girl, no less! - can twist and skew a person's perceptions and attitude for an entire lifetime - and I think that was certainly the case with her. That's why I'm not so quick to lay much blame on the minorities who play the racism card.
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I agree, same is true with racism practiced by the majority. its typically taught. But the smart people and properly guided people over come it. Many unfortunately dont get proper guidance.

I wouldn't want you to lay "blame" on anybody but people in the wrong and not recognizing reality should not be catered to either. Im not saying your friend fits that mold by any means i dont know here just saying people that do fit that mold are also part of the problem and not part of the solution.

A persons life experience can certainly make them more "suspicious", lord knows i have been on the receiving end of racism to realize that but it most certainly doesn't give me biased. Its important to be able to easily over come any kneejerk reaction and have the foresight to know it could be wrong.The story you shared is nothing compared to what my own father went through and still came out very much like myself. Happy all the time, never grouping people together, never victim card playing or anything. I honestly do know how he did it with the stories i could tell you about him and my family in general.

Heck i witnessed racism both openly and even more eye opening in unopened fashion because as i get older and lighter and i have basically a shaved head people dont always know what I am and do things in front of me they normally wouldnt. Besides my upbringing those have been the biggest learning experiences for me.

anyway understanding is VERY important, which is what you seem to be talking about, and I agree but not free passes. (again not saying thats what YOU are suggesting just making a general statements)
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
However, the report does NOT indicate that that was the context in which "the 'N'word" was used.
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Actually it does.

"If your boyfriend says bad things to you and/or treats you wrong, that means he's acting like a n-----," Swinyar said
 
exoplanet said:
Actually it does.

"If your boyfriend says bad things to you and/or treats you wrong, that means he's acting like a n-----," Swinyar said
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Really?

That is the same as saying ""Before the Civil War there were slaves in the United States of America. Those slaves were predominantly not of European extraction and a usual derogatory term for them was "the 'N'word"."

Some how I don't see it.

What the report does indicate is that the term was used as a racially prejudiced epithet.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
There are times and contexts (which should be clearly explained in advance) when it is appropriate to use "the 'N'word" in class. For example, a sentence like "Before the Civil War there were slaves in the United States of America. Those slaves were predominantly not of European extraction and a usual derogatory term for them was 'African-Americans'." makes almost no sense at all.

However, the report does NOT indicate that that was the context in which "the 'N'word" was used.

The other comment is one that I don't think that anyone can come up with an acceptable rationale for other than "It was racist.".
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Your first paragraph smacks of Stormfront. There is never a time for any white person to call an African-American a nigger. Period. Also, your saying that the term African-American being derogatory before the Civil War is simply BS. Here are a couple of links (yes, unlike you, I am providing links).

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/21/arts/use-of-african-american-dates-to-nations-early-days.html

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/01/31/us/african-american-favored-by-many-of-america-s-blacks.html

Neither link shows that the use of African-American before the Civil War was derogatory, but a term of neutrality. Blacks did not like the term Afro-American, explaining that "We don't come from Afro, we come from Africa". And they hated the term Negro, which was the Portuguese word for black.

Now, to your second paragraph. The context doesn't matter. A teacher using the word "nigger" is totally unacceptable, especially in a classroom full of kids. Claiming that it is OK for a white teacher to refer to black Americans as niggers, under any circumstance, is right out of the KKK. That teacher should have been immediately fired.

Finally, my last comment, which has you screaming "racist", is nothing more than the long-running "Florida Man" joke. You accusing me of racism against a white man? Let me just say that he who smelt it dealt it, and what you just dealt here is a royal flush. Congratulations. LOL.
 
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danarhea said:
Your first paragraph smacks of Stormfront. There is never a time for any white person to call an African-American a nigger. Period.

Now, to your second paragraph. The context doesn't matter. A teacher using the word "nigger" is totally unacceptable, especially in a classroom full of kids. Claiming that it is OK for a white teacher to refer to black Americans as niggers, under any circumstance, is right out of the KKK. That teacher should have been immediately fired.

Finally, my last comment, which has you screaming "racist", is nothing more than the long-running "Florida Man" joke. You accusing me of racism against a white man? Let me just say that he who smelt it dealt it, and what you just dealt here is a royal flush. Congratulations. LOL.
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It is quite acceptable to use "the 'N'word" to tell students what the derogatory term was. That was NOT the context in which it was used.

I did not claim that it was appropriate for a teacher to refer to anyone as "the 'N'word" only that it was appropriate for the teacher to use it in illustrating what racist behaviour was.

The "other comment" which you referred to was the comment made by the teacher and which you had included in your post. How you got from me referring to a comment (which we both agree that you did not make and which we both agree was incredibly inappropriate (to say nothing whatsoever about being racist) to me calling YOU a "racist" I have absolutely no idea. Unless, of course, you weren't reading the same words that I posted and your internet provider is defective - which is what I will put it down to rather than my first impression.
 
danarhea said:
Using the N word in class, and telling his students not to date African Americans? What in the hell is wrong with this guy? Suspended for 10 days? He should have been immediately fired. There is no reason someone like this should be teaching kids.

Finally.....................

Wait for it................

FLORIDA - LOL.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...ss-not-to-date-african-americans-students-say
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Wow what a complete degenerate piece of ****. He should be banned from teaching in public and private schools forever. 10 day suspension is completely absurd.
 
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